Hello,
I am currently in a double-degree between France and England, which will give me both a Licence (equivalent of an LLB) in French Law from Nanterre University, and a LLB from Essex University.
The issue is that i would like to do an LLM in Intellectual Property Law in the UK, but because my mastery of English was far from perfect, i did not get great grades in my first two years. What's more, my third year (which i am doing now) is in France, which has a very severe grading system.
All in all it means that i will most likely end up with a 2:2, which does not meet the requirements of most of the LLM courses i am interested in.
I would like to know if i'm definitely screwed for getting into a decent LLM. Does my French degree provide an advantage, and does the fact that i have 6 months of experience in law firms help ?
Finally, would getting a French Master's degree help me get an English one afterwards ?
Thank you for any advice, it is much appreciated.
Lower Second Class LLM Admission ?
Posted Feb 20, 2012 17:03
I am currently in a double-degree between France and England, which will give me both a Licence (equivalent of an LLB) in French Law from Nanterre University, and a LLB from Essex University.
The issue is that i would like to do an LLM in Intellectual Property Law in the UK, but because my mastery of English was far from perfect, i did not get great grades in my first two years. What's more, my third year (which i am doing now) is in France, which has a very severe grading system.
All in all it means that i will most likely end up with a 2:2, which does not meet the requirements of most of the LLM courses i am interested in.
I would like to know if i'm definitely screwed for getting into a decent LLM. Does my French degree provide an advantage, and does the fact that i have 6 months of experience in law firms help ?
Finally, would getting a French Master's degree help me get an English one afterwards ?
Thank you for any advice, it is much appreciated.
Posted Feb 23, 2012 12:20
you will never know - if you do not try yourself. The requirements change from year to year due to the fluctuation of students. Your law firm experience might be an advantage, your French degree as well. If you are not applying for the top-notch law schools - you should be able to find a decent place.
Posted Feb 23, 2012 20:03
Thank you very much for that response.
Would there be a way for me to find out, without officially applying to one, my chances to enter the LLM degree i am aiming for ? I tried contacting my University's LLM department but they were less than helpful...
Would there be a way for me to find out, without officially applying to one, my chances to enter the LLM degree i am aiming for ? I tried contacting my University's LLM department but they were less than helpful...
Posted Feb 24, 2012 03:41
You could check the websites of the universities you are considering. Some of them do state indicative ranges of the sort of qualifications necessary (e.g. "Applicants will normally be expected to hold a second class upper degree or better"). I don't think your own university's LLM department would be very helpful unless you were considering doing your LLM there also.
Posted Feb 24, 2012 09:11
You could check the websites of the universities you are considering. Some of them do state indicative ranges of the sort of qualifications necessary (e.g. "Applicants will normally be expected to hold a second class upper degree or better"). I don't think your own university's LLM department would be very helpful unless you were considering doing your LLM there also.
I agree with the above. After checking the requirements online, maybe you could also contact the admissions officers (or whatever they're called) of the Universities you're interested in, give them a brief indication of your profile and ask them if your application would be competitive. I know people who did it and most of them did get feedback.
But in any case, I think it's better to apply and see what happens than not to apply at all. You never know and what have you got to lose?
( I also believe that the people who will evaluate your application will be aware of the differences in grading between the UK and France. Remember, they get tons of applications from all over the world, it would be strange if they didn't know that for example, first class honours in the UK: top 10% whereas first class honours in France: top 1% or maybe even less).
I agree with the above. After checking the requirements online, maybe you could also contact the admissions officers (or whatever they're called) of the Universities you're interested in, give them a brief indication of your profile and ask them if your application would be competitive. I know people who did it and most of them did get feedback.
But in any case, I think it's better to apply and see what happens than not to apply at all. You never know and what have you got to lose?
( I also believe that the people who will evaluate your application will be aware of the differences in grading between the UK and France. Remember, they get tons of applications from all over the world, it would be strange if they didn't know that for example, first class honours in the UK: top 10% whereas first class honours in France: top 1% or maybe even less).
Posted Feb 24, 2012 11:20
i have a friend who got into KCL with a high 2:2. i heard KCL is good for IP? don't feel defeated before you even try, you never know what may come for you!
Posted Feb 25, 2012 00:00
Remember for most universities it doesn't cost anything to apply. You just need to devote the right time to applications. You will also probably need a really good personal statement - remember an LLM is academic(not professional) study. So, personally, I'd give more weight to the French Licence (especially if you're considering comparative law subjects), than 6 months' work experience.
Maybe you're better off waiting a year? I'd expect many of the top universities to have completed a fair few applications (as they generally opened in October). Apply early, and you'd think you'd have a better change. Of course, if you can't wait, get onto it now.
Maybe you're better off waiting a year? I'd expect many of the top universities to have completed a fair few applications (as they generally opened in October). Apply early, and you'd think you'd have a better change. Of course, if you can't wait, get onto it now.
Posted Feb 27, 2012 19:54
Thank you everyone this was encouraging, i was slightly worried that a 2:2 would basically mean i wouldn't stand a chance to enter any decent LLMs but it looks like i have a shot, this is good news. Probably even more chances if i try European or Comparative Law (since i have the French degree as well).
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