Cambridge application 2018/2019


Ribben


I’d respond but I find it pointless at this point... good luck at Cambridge!


Thank you, you too!
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I’d respond but I find it pointless at this point... good luck at Cambridge![/quote]

Thank you, you too!
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SwissGuy

I agree, and also I’d very interested to know why they’re accepting people with 2:1’s, if what Ribben is saying is true, when I know people who Cambridge have rejected with firsts, eg someone who has a first and did a training contract at a magic circle firm... my understanding is if you do not have a first you will not be admitted. I feel a freedom of information request coming on to find out if this is true.


Because, I repeat, Cambridge LLM's admission standards are lower than the undergrad program (where nearly everyone has perfect high school scores). Also they take into account completely different things. In my experience (and I know around 5 people from my country who did the LLM) if you have a strong academic profile they will be very likely to grant you admission, even if you only have a 2:1.


To piggyback on the question: What would a strong academic profile that "only" features a 2.1 look like?
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I agree, and also I’d very interested to know why they’re accepting people with 2:1’s, if what Ribben is saying is true, when I know people who Cambridge have rejected with firsts, eg someone who has a first and did a training contract at a magic circle firm... my understanding is if you do not have a first you will not be admitted. I feel a freedom of information request coming on to find out if this is true.[/quote]

Because, I repeat, Cambridge LLM's admission standards are lower than the undergrad program (where nearly everyone has perfect high school scores). Also they take into account completely different things. In my experience (and I know around 5 people from my country who did the LLM) if you have a strong academic profile they will be very likely to grant you admission, even if you only have a 2:1.[/quote]

To piggyback on the question: What would a strong academic profile that "only" features a 2.1 look like?
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Ribben

To piggyback on the question: What would a strong academic profile that "only" features a 2.1 look like?


Well looking at me and my colleague, we are both a PhD student at a top 50 global university. Also we each have around 10 publications to our name already.

I am kind of surprised this information is a thing here, because I always heard from fellow countrymen who went to Cambridge that they were actively scouting academic profiles for the LLM program. Heard the same for Oxford by the way.
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To piggyback on the question: What would a strong academic profile that "only" features a 2.1 look like?[/quote]

Well looking at me and my colleague, we are both a PhD student at a top 50 global university. Also we each have around 10 publications to our name already.

I am kind of surprised this information is a thing here, because I always heard from fellow countrymen who went to Cambridge that they were actively scouting academic profiles for the LLM program. Heard the same for Oxford by the way.
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LLM2238

I agree, and also I’d very interested to know why they’re accepting people with 2:1’s, if what Ribben is saying is true, when I know people who Cambridge have rejected with firsts, eg someone who has a first and did a training contract at a magic circle firm... my understanding is if you do not have a first you will not be admitted. I feel a freedom of information request coming on to find out if this is true.


Because, I repeat, Cambridge LLM's admission standards are lower than the undergrad program (where nearly everyone has perfect high school scores). Also they take into account completely different things. In my experience (and I know around 5 people from my country who did the LLM) if you have a strong academic profile they will be very likely to grant you admission, even if you only have a 2:1.


Well it seems like you’re saying, or at least implying, that they’re willing to not enforce the academic requirement of a first for those outside the UK - is that a fair assumption to make? If so, that’s obviously and fundamentally unfair. As a British person and know people who are also British, who are very academic with firsts in law, but have been rejected, Id like to know why this is happening, if true. They cannot have academic requirements and not enforce them, regardless of the country the applicant is from!
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I agree, and also I’d very interested to know why they’re accepting people with 2:1’s, if what Ribben is saying is true, when I know people who Cambridge have rejected with firsts, eg someone who has a first and did a training contract at a magic circle firm... my understanding is if you do not have a first you will not be admitted. I feel a freedom of information request coming on to find out if this is true.[/quote]

Because, I repeat, Cambridge LLM's admission standards are lower than the undergrad program (where nearly everyone has perfect high school scores). Also they take into account completely different things. In my experience (and I know around 5 people from my country who did the LLM) if you have a strong academic profile they will be very likely to grant you admission, even if you only have a 2:1.[/quote]

Well it seems like you’re saying, or at least implying, that they’re willing to not enforce the academic requirement of a first for those outside the UK - is that a fair assumption to make? If so, that’s obviously and fundamentally unfair. As a British person and know people who are also British, who are very academic with firsts in law, but have been rejected, Id like to know why this is happening, if true. They cannot have academic requirements and not enforce them, regardless of the country the applicant is from!
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SwissGuy

To piggyback on the question: What would a strong academic profile that "only" features a 2.1 look like?


Well looking at me and my colleague, we are both a PhD student at a top 50 global university. Also we each have around 10 publications to our name already.

I am kind of surprised this information is a thing here, because I always heard from fellow countrymen who went to Cambridge that they were actively scouting academic profiles for the LLM program. Heard the same for Oxford by the way.


Interesting. Thx for the info. Always hard to know what role publications play in such an application...
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To piggyback on the question: What would a strong academic profile that "only" features a 2.1 look like?[/quote]

Well looking at me and my colleague, we are both a PhD student at a top 50 global university. Also we each have around 10 publications to our name already.

I am kind of surprised this information is a thing here, because I always heard from fellow countrymen who went to Cambridge that they were actively scouting academic profiles for the LLM program. Heard the same for Oxford by the way.[/quote]

Interesting. Thx for the info. Always hard to know what role publications play in such an application...
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Ribben

Well it seems like you’re saying, or at least implying, that they’re willing to not enforce the academic requirement of a first for those outside the UK - is that a fair assumption to make? If so, that’s obviously and fundamentally unfair. As a British person and know people who are also British, who are very academic with firsts in law, but have been rejected, Id like to know why this is happening, if true. They cannot have academic requirements and not enforce them, regardless of the country the applicant is from!


Well the way I look at it, is that Cambridge wants above all to educate people who they expect will be leaders in their field, because that will further add to the prestige of the LLM degree and the university in general.

So in my experience I find that they look for people with academic profiles, and thus the potential of becoming professors or leading experts in a certain field, and prefer those above people whose career goal is to become a practising lawyer in one or the other firm.

But ofcourse you can also look at it in another way. In my year we graduated with around 500 students and yet only around 20 to 30 new PhD's start every year. For my PhD position I had to compete with 10 others. So the fact that someone is already enrolled in a PhD program, is sort of a pre-selection done by another university that shows that in your year or country you already have one of the best academic potentials.
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Well it seems like you’re saying, or at least implying, that they’re willing to not enforce the academic requirement of a first for those outside the UK - is that a fair assumption to make? If so, that’s obviously and fundamentally unfair. As a British person and know people who are also British, who are very academic with firsts in law, but have been rejected, Id like to know why this is happening, if true. They cannot have academic requirements and not enforce them, regardless of the country the applicant is from![/quote]

Well the way I look at it, is that Cambridge wants above all to educate people who they expect will be leaders in their field, because that will further add to the prestige of the LLM degree and the university in general.

So in my experience I find that they look for people with academic profiles, and thus the potential of becoming professors or leading experts in a certain field, and prefer those above people whose career goal is to become a practising lawyer in one or the other firm.

But ofcourse you can also look at it in another way. In my year we graduated with around 500 students and yet only around 20 to 30 new PhD's start every year. For my PhD position I had to compete with 10 others. So the fact that someone is already enrolled in a PhD program, is sort of a pre-selection done by another university that shows that in your year or country you already have one of the best academic potentials.


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Ribben

Interesting. Thx for the info. Always hard to know what role publications play in such an application...


True, but the main point I am trying to make here (nothwithstanding people acting in a condescending manner towards me for making it) is that a first is neither necessary nor enough to get into Cambridge. Unlike in the undergraduate program, where the vast majority has triple A's et cetera.
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Interesting. Thx for the info. Always hard to know what role publications play in such an application...[/quote]

True, but the main point I am trying to make here (nothwithstanding people acting in a condescending manner towards me for making it) is that a first is neither necessary nor enough to get into Cambridge. Unlike in the undergraduate program, where the vast majority has triple A's et cetera.
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LLM2238

Well it seems like you’re saying, or at least implying, that they’re willing to not enforce the academic requirement of a first for those outside the UK - is that a fair assumption to make? If so, that’s obviously and fundamentally unfair. As a British person and know people who are also British, who are very academic with firsts in law, but have been rejected, Id like to know why this is happening, if true. They cannot have academic requirements and not enforce them, regardless of the country the applicant is from!


Well the way I look at it, is that Cambridge wants above all to educate people who they expect will be leaders in their field, because that will further add to the prestige of the LLM degree and the university in general.

So in my experience I find that they look for people with academic profiles, and thus the potential of becoming professors or leading experts in a certain field, and prefer those above people whose career goal is to become a practising lawyer in one or the other firm.

But ofcourse you can also look at it in another way. In my year we graduated with around 500 students and yet only around 20 to 30 new PhD's start every year. For my PhD position I had to compete with 10 others. So the fact that someone is already enrolled in a PhD program, is sort of a pre-selection done by another university that shows that in your year or country you already have one of the best academic potentials.


Hmm, this seems pretty inconsistent with what you’ve been saying. Seems like this is a trolling account simply to goad. So fair play, good luck at Cambridge, if you do indeed have an offer....
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Well it seems like you’re saying, or at least implying, that they’re willing to not enforce the academic requirement of a first for those outside the UK - is that a fair assumption to make? If so, that’s obviously and fundamentally unfair. As a British person and know people who are also British, who are very academic with firsts in law, but have been rejected, Id like to know why this is happening, if true. They cannot have academic requirements and not enforce them, regardless of the country the applicant is from![/quote]

Well the way I look at it, is that Cambridge wants above all to educate people who they expect will be leaders in their field, because that will further add to the prestige of the LLM degree and the university in general.

So in my experience I find that they look for people with academic profiles, and thus the potential of becoming professors or leading experts in a certain field, and prefer those above people whose career goal is to become a practising lawyer in one or the other firm.

But ofcourse you can also look at it in another way. In my year we graduated with around 500 students and yet only around 20 to 30 new PhD's start every year. For my PhD position I had to compete with 10 others. So the fact that someone is already enrolled in a PhD program, is sort of a pre-selection done by another university that shows that in your year or country you already have one of the best academic potentials.
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Hmm, this seems pretty inconsistent with what you’ve been saying. Seems like this is a trolling account simply to goad. So fair play, good luck at Cambridge, if you do indeed have an offer....
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Ribben

Hmm, this seems pretty inconsistent with what you’ve been saying. Seems like this is a trolling account simply to goad. So fair play, good luck at Cambridge, if you do indeed have an offer....


Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling. I really did get into Cambridge, and didn't have a first, nor finished within the top 5% of my year. And I really do think that your profile matters more than your grades.
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Hmm, this seems pretty inconsistent with what you’ve been saying. Seems like this is a trolling account simply to goad. So fair play, good luck at Cambridge, if you do indeed have an offer....[/quote]

Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling. I really did get into Cambridge, and didn't have a first, nor finished within the top 5% of my year. And I really do think that your profile matters more than your grades.

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Lantern
I agree with Ribben. Cambridge is looking for something much more than grades. I have a first and an exceptionally strong profile... I was rejected
I agree with Ribben. Cambridge is looking for something much more than grades. I have a first and an exceptionally strong profile... I was rejected
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AdmissionL...
Apart from that, it might be useful to keep an eye on which country you come from and who is also applying from there; as far as I know, Cambridge is keen to consider most of the countries but only has a limited number of places for each of them – after all, not everyone should come from the same region. Depending on the particular year you can have it easier or harder.

It is simply an extensive decision-making process in which numerous factors are taken into account.

[Edited by AdmissionLLM on Mar 13, 2018]

Apart from that, it might be useful to keep an eye on which country you come from and who is also applying from there; as far as I know, Cambridge is keen to consider most of the countries but only has a limited number of places for each of them – after all, not everyone should come from the same region. Depending on the particular year you can have it easier or harder.

It is simply an extensive decision-making process in which numerous factors are taken into account.
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WILawyer
I agree with Ribben. Cambridge is looking for something much more than grades. I have a first and an exceptionally strong profile... I was rejected


Lantern, like you, I have an extremely competitive profile, including a first as well and also wasn't accepted.

Suffice it to say that I think it's pretty difficult for any of us in here to say with any certainty what exactly Cambridge is looking for in their applicants, if they allege that a first is a minimum requirement but some with a first are rejected while some without are accepted.

You just apply and hope for the best, really.

I would highly doubt, though, that they are willing to look past the requirement of having a first for those outside the UK when one considers that UK students form the largest proportion of Cambridge LLM students.

I am more inclined to the view that UK students are given preference and the remaining places for those from outside the UK would be extremely competitive, but again, that is just a theory which only Cambridge could confirm or refute (which, of course, is unlikely to happen).
[quote]I agree with Ribben. Cambridge is looking for something much more than grades. I have a first and an exceptionally strong profile... I was rejected[/quote]

Lantern, like you, I have an extremely competitive profile, including a first as well and also wasn't accepted.

Suffice it to say that I think it's pretty difficult for any of us in here to say with any certainty what exactly Cambridge is looking for in their applicants, if they allege that a first is a minimum requirement but some with a first are rejected while some without are accepted.

You just apply and hope for the best, really.

I would highly doubt, though, that they are willing to look past the requirement of having a first for those outside the UK when one considers that UK students form the largest proportion of Cambridge LLM students.

I am more inclined to the view that UK students are given preference and the remaining places for those from outside the UK would be extremely competitive, but again, that is just a theory which only Cambridge could confirm or refute (which, of course, is unlikely to happen).

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Lantern
Any updates on the MCL and Gates Cambridge?
Any updates on the MCL and Gates Cambridge?
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Just a kind reminder to all those who are heading to other places than Cambridge: please, do consider that letting Cambridge know that you will not attend the LLM might help those who will but do not have enough funding get some. :)

Thank you very much and may you have a wonderful year wherever you will be!
Just a kind reminder to all those who are heading to other places than Cambridge: please, do consider that letting Cambridge know that you will not attend the LLM might help those who will but do not have enough funding get some. :)

Thank you very much and may you have a wonderful year wherever you will be!
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Fifika
I think it d be worth it for future applicants and those rejected to understand briefly what the profile of those who got an offer looks like in terms of grades/previous degree/duration of work experience/in what sector. Thanks and well done for getting in! Also do any of you think that if rejected, it s a bad idea to reapply in the future? Will it impact the outcome of your application?
I think it d be worth it for future applicants and those rejected to understand briefly what the profile of those who got an offer looks like in terms of grades/previous degree/duration of work experience/in what sector. Thanks and well done for getting in! Also do any of you think that if rejected, it s a bad idea to reapply in the future? Will it impact the outcome of your application?
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NALLMCam
guys does any one know tentatively, what would happen if you dont meet the academic condition? I mean what percentage of people still get accepted?
guys does any one know tentatively, what would happen if you dont meet the academic condition? I mean what percentage of people still get accepted?
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LLM2238
I think it d be worth it for future applicants and those rejected to understand briefly what the profile of those who got an offer looks like in terms of grades/previous degree/duration of work experience/in what sector. Thanks and well done for getting in! Also do any of you think that if rejected, it s a bad idea to reapply in the future? Will it impact the outcome of your application?


Here's a very brief outline of mine:
Studied straight law (LLB) at a UK university
Achieved a first/came in the top 3% of the year
Won various prizes for the highest grades in finals
Got quite a few sports & extra curricular achievements
Worked for 3 years in law, with some of it abroad
Hope this helps and good luck with your other apps!

[Edited by LLM2238 on Mar 17, 2018]

[quote]I think it d be worth it for future applicants and those rejected to understand briefly what the profile of those who got an offer looks like in terms of grades/previous degree/duration of work experience/in what sector. Thanks and well done for getting in! Also do any of you think that if rejected, it s a bad idea to reapply in the future? Will it impact the outcome of your application? [/quote]

Here's a very brief outline of mine:
Studied straight law (LLB) at a UK university
Achieved a first/came in the top 3% of the year
Won various prizes for the highest grades in finals
Got quite a few sports & extra curricular achievements
Worked for 3 years in law, with some of it abroad
Hope this helps and good luck with your other apps!
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Fifika
I think it d be worth it for future applicants and those rejected to understand briefly what the profile of those who got an offer looks like in terms of grades/previous degree/duration of work experience/in what sector. Thanks and well done for getting in! Also do any of you think that if rejected, it s a bad idea to reapply in the future? Will it impact the outcome of your application?


Here's a very brief outline of mine:
Studied straight law (LLB) at a UK university
Achieved a first/came in the top 3% of the year
Won various prizes for the highest grades in finals
Got quite a few sports & extra curricular achievements
Worked for 3 years in law, with some of it abroad
Hope this helps and good luck with your other apps!
many thanks, it s very useful info. Good luck with your llm!
[quote][quote]I think it d be worth it for future applicants and those rejected to understand briefly what the profile of those who got an offer looks like in terms of grades/previous degree/duration of work experience/in what sector. Thanks and well done for getting in! Also do any of you think that if rejected, it s a bad idea to reapply in the future? Will it impact the outcome of your application? [/quote]

Here's a very brief outline of mine:
Studied straight law (LLB) at a UK university
Achieved a first/came in the top 3% of the year
Won various prizes for the highest grades in finals
Got quite a few sports & extra curricular achievements
Worked for 3 years in law, with some of it abroad
Hope this helps and good luck with your other apps![/quote] many thanks, it s very useful info. Good luck with your llm!
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Did anyone hear back on scholarships and financing yet?
Did anyone hear back on scholarships and financing yet?
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koffie
Does anyone know if Cambridge is amenable to sending expedited scholarship decisions if we have multiple offers with deadlines looming?
Does anyone know if Cambridge is amenable to sending expedited scholarship decisions if we have multiple offers with deadlines looming?
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