Business/Competition law: London, Berlin, Leiden or Tilburg?


JJA1985
Hey guys,

I'm looking for an LL.M. in Business or Economics or Competition law, maybe a mixture would be best. I'd prefer to start in Fall 2016 and I have a Bachelor of Law and some work experience.

I had a look at the following options and I was hoping someone could maybe share his/her experience with any of the programmes?

- LL.M. in Competition Law (KCL/QMUL/UCL)
- LL.M. in International Business Law (KCL/QMUL)
- LL.M. in Commercial and Corporate Law (QMUL)
- LL.M. in International Commercial Law (UCL)
- Master of Business, Competition and Regulatory Law (FU Berlin)
- LL.M. Advanced Studies in European and International Business Law (Leiden U)
- LL.M. Interntional Business Law (Tilburg U)

It seems like you really have to decide what you want (Bus/Com/Comp) with the London-based universities, do the Dutch universities and Berlin maybe over more of an all-around approach?

UCL, QMUL and KCL are the most expensive (just under 20K GBP each), followed by the Dutch with 15/13K EUR and the least expensive is Berlin with only 8K EUR (for me being slightly crumpy about not being a EU citizen^^)

Could anyone share some information about the programmes, lectures, maybe the lecturers or facilities or the student body? I'd quite like to be in a diverse and international environment^^

Thanks,
Juan
Hey guys,

I'm looking for an LL.M. in Business or Economics or Competition law, maybe a mixture would be best. I'd prefer to start in Fall 2016 and I have a Bachelor of Law and some work experience.

I had a look at the following options and I was hoping someone could maybe share his/her experience with any of the programmes?

- LL.M. in Competition Law (KCL/QMUL/UCL)
- LL.M. in International Business Law (KCL/QMUL)
- LL.M. in Commercial and Corporate Law (QMUL)
- LL.M. in International Commercial Law (UCL)
- Master of Business, Competition and Regulatory Law (FU Berlin)
- LL.M. Advanced Studies in European and International Business Law (Leiden U)
- LL.M. Interntional Business Law (Tilburg U)

It seems like you really have to decide what you want (Bus/Com/Comp) with the London-based universities, do the Dutch universities and Berlin maybe over more of an all-around approach?

UCL, QMUL and KCL are the most expensive (just under 20K GBP each), followed by the Dutch with 15/13K EUR and the least expensive is Berlin with only 8K EUR (for me being slightly crumpy about not being a EU citizen^^)

Could anyone share some information about the programmes, lectures, maybe the lecturers or facilities or the student body? I'd quite like to be in a diverse and international environment^^

Thanks,
Juan
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JJA1985
Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not sure whether I should post this in the UK/IRL or Europe section, I suppose there's no way to post it in both?^^
Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not sure whether I should post this in the UK/IRL or Europe section, I suppose there's no way to post it in both?^^
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George89
Hey guys,

I'm looking for an LL.M. in Business or Economics or Competition law, maybe a mixture would be best. I'd prefer to start in Fall 2016 and I have a Bachelor of Law and some work experience.

I had a look at the following options and I was hoping someone could maybe share his/her experience with any of the programmes?

- LL.M. in Competition Law (KCL/QMUL/UCL)
- LL.M. in International Business Law (KCL/QMUL)
- LL.M. in Commercial and Corporate Law (QMUL)
- LL.M. in International Commercial Law (UCL)
- Master of Business, Competition and Regulatory Law (FU Berlin)
- LL.M. Advanced Studies in European and International Business Law (Leiden U)
- LL.M. Interntional Business Law (Tilburg U)

It seems like you really have to decide what you want (Bus/Com/Comp) with the London-based universities, do the Dutch universities and Berlin maybe over more of an all-around approach?

UCL, QMUL and KCL are the most expensive (just under 20K GBP each), followed by the Dutch with 15/13K EUR and the least expensive is Berlin with only 8K EUR (for me being slightly crumpy about not being a EU citizen^^)

Could anyone share some information about the programmes, lectures, maybe the lecturers or facilities or the student body? I'd quite like to be in a diverse and international environment^^

Thanks,
Juan


I can only comment on FU Berlin. Teaching is done by professors of business law, specialized legal practitioners from competition and regulation authorities and law firms with a focus on case experience. , Prof. Dr. Heike Schweitzer, LL.M. (Yale) has recently taken over thhis programme.

I don't know if this makes a difference to you but the Master of European and International Business, Competition and Regulatory Law (MBL-FU) combines traditional "in-class" teaching with electronic communication via the
university's internet platform and independent study.
I believe the likes of KCL, QMUL etc. are purely teaching programmes.
<blockquote>Hey guys,

I'm looking for an LL.M. in Business or Economics or Competition law, maybe a mixture would be best. I'd prefer to start in Fall 2016 and I have a Bachelor of Law and some work experience.

I had a look at the following options and I was hoping someone could maybe share his/her experience with any of the programmes?

- LL.M. in Competition Law (KCL/QMUL/UCL)
- LL.M. in International Business Law (KCL/QMUL)
- LL.M. in Commercial and Corporate Law (QMUL)
- LL.M. in International Commercial Law (UCL)
- Master of Business, Competition and Regulatory Law (FU Berlin)
- LL.M. Advanced Studies in European and International Business Law (Leiden U)
- LL.M. Interntional Business Law (Tilburg U)

It seems like you really have to decide what you want (Bus/Com/Comp) with the London-based universities, do the Dutch universities and Berlin maybe over more of an all-around approach?

UCL, QMUL and KCL are the most expensive (just under 20K GBP each), followed by the Dutch with 15/13K EUR and the least expensive is Berlin with only 8K EUR (for me being slightly crumpy about not being a EU citizen^^)

Could anyone share some information about the programmes, lectures, maybe the lecturers or facilities or the student body? I'd quite like to be in a diverse and international environment^^

Thanks,
Juan</blockquote>

I can only comment on FU Berlin. Teaching is done by professors of business law, specialized legal practitioners from competition and regulation authorities and law firms with a focus on case experience. , Prof. Dr. Heike Schweitzer, LL.M. (Yale) has recently taken over thhis programme.

I don't know if this makes a difference to you but the Master of European and International Business, Competition and Regulatory Law (MBL-FU) combines traditional "in-class" teaching with electronic communication via the
university's internet platform and independent study.
I believe the likes of KCL, QMUL etc. are purely teaching programmes.


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Dear Juan,

I am currently studying the Advanced LLM in European and International Business Law at Leiden, I hope some of my comments will be of assistance.

I think you briefly mentioned modules and whether any courses combine economics/business and competition. Within the Advanced LLM we study EU law, Corporate & Finance, Competition, WTO law, Intellectual Property, International Arbitration and International Capital Markets. Additionally, we have a two week Winter school in M&A (I think we are going to focus on the practical skills needed by M&A lawyers as I heard there will be drafting activities etc). It also looks like we will have a Spring School focusing on issues such as international capital markets infrastructure, managing banking relationships, inter-creditor agreements, insolvency and resolution in the banking sphere etc. Also, related to the modules is the faculty here at Leiden- what I particularly like is the fact that some of our faculty members are only lecturing part time and also working in for example law firms- as such, when you ask a question you are usually getting a what happens in practice outlook, which is very useful. What I also really enjoy is the size of our class- there is only 35 of us (I graduated from a UK University- in my bachelors we had 250 students)- although I cannot specifically assist you on precisely how many nationalities my class has, we are a very diverse bunch, with people representing European, South and North American countries, Asia. It is also good as it comprises of people straight out of law school (like myself) and also those already qualified in their jurisdictions!

What I also really like about Leiden is the extra curricular involvement- there is an opportunity to take part in the European Moot Court, Leiden Leadership Programme, Leiden Talent Programme, Model United Nations is very active here as well. Additionally, it is not unheard of, for people in the Netherlands to do part time internships on the side of their studies- I believe there are people in my class who secured internships in a legal department of an international company from an alumni of our programme, I also heard of some having interviews in law firms.

Lastly, I would say what is good about the Netherlands from a perspective of an international student is that they actually want you to stay here after your education. I recently attended an NL For Talents conference (we received tickets from our LLM programme) which was offering tips on how to secure jobs in the country post graduation- I think they will also be extending the period allowed for international students to find employment (currently stands at one year), which is great.


Apologies for my lengthy response, if you have any other questions feel free to ask. Best of luck with applications and choosing your Masters!


Best wishes,
Aleks
Dear Juan,

I am currently studying the Advanced LLM in European and International Business Law at Leiden, I hope some of my comments will be of assistance.

I think you briefly mentioned modules and whether any courses combine economics/business and competition. Within the Advanced LLM we study EU law, Corporate & Finance, Competition, WTO law, Intellectual Property, International Arbitration and International Capital Markets. Additionally, we have a two week Winter school in M&A (I think we are going to focus on the practical skills needed by M&A lawyers as I heard there will be drafting activities etc). It also looks like we will have a Spring School focusing on issues such as international capital markets infrastructure, managing banking relationships, inter-creditor agreements, insolvency and resolution in the banking sphere etc. Also, related to the modules is the faculty here at Leiden- what I particularly like is the fact that some of our faculty members are only lecturing part time and also working in for example law firms- as such, when you ask a question you are usually getting a ‘what happens in practice’ outlook, which is very useful. What I also really enjoy is the size of our class- there is only 35 of us (I graduated from a UK University- in my bachelors we had 250 students)- although I cannot specifically assist you on precisely how many nationalities my class has, we are a very diverse bunch, with people representing European, South and North American countries, Asia. It is also good as it comprises of people straight out of law school (like myself) and also those already qualified in their jurisdictions!

What I also really like about Leiden is the extra curricular involvement- there is an opportunity to take part in the European Moot Court, Leiden Leadership Programme, Leiden Talent Programme, Model United Nations is very active here as well. Additionally, it is not unheard of, for people in the Netherlands to do part time internships on the side of their studies- I believe there are people in my class who secured internships in a legal department of an international company from an alumni of our programme, I also heard of some having interviews in law firms.

Lastly, I would say what is good about the Netherlands from a perspective of an international student is that they actually want you to stay here after your education. I recently attended an NL For Talents conference (we received tickets from our LLM programme) which was offering tips on how to secure jobs in the country post graduation- I think they will also be extending the period allowed for international students to find employment (currently stands at one year), which is great.

&#8232;Apologies for my lengthy response, if you have any other questions feel free to ask. Best of luck with applications and choosing your Masters!&#8232;

Best wishes,
Aleks
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llmadvise
Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not sure whether I should post this in the UK/IRL or Europe section, I suppose there's no way to post it in both?^^

Hi JJA1985, To post this in the UK sections is fine as the majority of your preferred schools are based there.
<blockquote>Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not sure whether I should post this in the UK/IRL or Europe section, I suppose there's no way to post it in both?^^</blockquote>
Hi JJA1985, To post this in the UK sections is fine as the majority of your preferred schools are based there.
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JJA1985
Dear George,
Dear Aleks,

Thank you so much, that was already quite useful!

@George: Did you prefer the online teaching to "traditional" lectures or were they the same or worse? And if you had to guess, what would you say how many students are internationals/Germans

@ Aleks: That sounds like a lot of extra-curricular activities to chose from :-) Do you take part in any? What's your take on the city itself, it's not huge from what Wikipedia tells me?

Maybe anyone from London could also share their experiences? :-) Would be much appreciated!

Juan
Dear George,
Dear Aleks,

Thank you so much, that was already quite useful!

@George: Did you prefer the online teaching to "traditional" lectures or were they the same or worse? And if you had to guess, what would you say how many students are internationals/Germans

@ Aleks: That sounds like a lot of extra-curricular activities to chose from :-) Do you take part in any? What's your take on the city itself, it's not huge from what Wikipedia tells me?

Maybe anyone from London could also share their experiences? :-) Would be much appreciated!

Juan
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George89
Dear George,
Dear Aleks,

Thank you so much, that was already quite useful!

@George: Did you prefer the online teaching to "traditional" lectures or were they the same or worse? And if you had to guess, what would you say how many students are internationals/Germans

Hi JJA1985, I prefer in class teaching. Personally, I think its hands on and motivating.
100% of course participants are Internationals. I believe it is due to do the fact that the German lawyer system to get a licence is very different to the US.
<blockquote>Dear George,
Dear Aleks,

Thank you so much, that was already quite useful!

@George: Did you prefer the online teaching to "traditional" lectures or were they the same or worse? And if you had to guess, what would you say how many students are internationals/Germans
</blockquote>
Hi JJA1985, I prefer in class teaching. Personally, I think its hands on and motivating.
100% of course participants are Internationals. I believe it is due to do the fact that the German lawyer system to get a licence is very different to the US.
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JJA1985
Dear George,

Thank you! That's quite diverse :D
Now just waiting for some more replies ;-)

Cheers,
Juan
Dear George,

Thank you! That's quite diverse :D
Now just waiting for some more replies ;-)

Cheers,
Juan
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JJA1985
Anyone?^^
Anyone?^^
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