Admission of UCL, LSE, QMUL and KCL from Second Lower Class


FM1409
Hey, I am very much interested in Intellectual Property Law and Commercial law, I note that the captioned universities require 2:1, but I didn't get a good grade in my udnergraduate i.e. 2:2 with most of my subjects at B grade. I possess of 5 years' working experience. Do you know whether there is any successful case for applicant with 2:2 class and working experience enrolling into the captioned 4 universities?
Hey, I am very much interested in Intellectual Property Law and Commercial law, I note that the captioned universities require 2:1, but I didn't get a good grade in my udnergraduate i.e. 2:2 with most of my subjects at B grade. I possess of 5 years' working experience. Do you know whether there is any successful case for applicant with 2:2 class and working experience enrolling into the captioned 4 universities?
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Banking
No chance at LSE and KCL, medium chance at UCL, very good chance at QM.
No chance at LSE and KCL, medium chance at UCL, very good chance at QM.
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Not sure about the others but LSE often makes offers of admission conditional on a first class honours degree, so unless your work experience is very ''stand out'' or highly consistent with your proposed program of study you may be in trouble.
Not sure about the others but LSE often makes offers of admission conditional on a first class honours degree, so unless your work experience is very ''stand out'' or highly consistent with your proposed program of study you may be in trouble.
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Hey Banking just wondering why you would rate his chances more highly at UCL than KCl? Had always been under the impression that UCL was slightly more highly regarded and more stringent on admissions?
Hey Banking just wondering why you would rate his chances more highly at UCL than KCl? Had always been under the impression that UCL was slightly more highly regarded and more stringent on admissions?
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Banking
About the same as far as law faculty goes, however, KCL ia a bit more elitist and sometimes prefers Brit students rather than international ones (they were several cases of either Asian or African students accusing KCL of discrimination, mind you most were in their medical school-check the net). KCL sees itself as an arch-rival of the LSE and Imperial College (in medicine). UCL is more democratic but by accepting more overseas students with different grading systems they have to be more flexible with their entry standards
About the same as far as law faculty goes, however, KCL ia a bit more elitist and sometimes prefers Brit students rather than international ones (they were several cases of either Asian or African students accusing KCL of discrimination, mind you most were in their medical school-check the net). KCL sees itself as an arch-rival of the LSE and Imperial College (in medicine). UCL is more democratic but by accepting more overseas students with different grading systems they have to be more flexible with their entry standards
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Ok interesting! Cheers!
Ok interesting! Cheers!
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About the same as far as law faculty goes, however, KCL ia a bit more elitist and sometimes prefers Brit students rather than international ones (they were several cases of either Asian or African students accusing KCL of discrimination, mind you most were in their medical school-check the net). KCL sees itself as an arch-rival of the LSE and Imperial College (in medicine). UCL is more democratic but by accepting more overseas students with different grading systems they have to be more flexible with their entry standards


Are obscure grudges/controversies in the medical department relevant here?
<blockquote>About the same as far as law faculty goes, however, KCL ia a bit more elitist and sometimes prefers Brit students rather than international ones (they were several cases of either Asian or African students accusing KCL of discrimination, mind you most were in their medical school-check the net). KCL sees itself as an arch-rival of the LSE and Imperial College (in medicine). UCL is more democratic but by accepting more overseas students with different grading systems they have to be more flexible with their entry standards</blockquote>

Are obscure grudges/controversies in the medical department relevant here?
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Banking
Actually, yes, it is all matter of observation. If you want to judge a person/company etc do not look for whatever is obvious, look for small details and decide whether you like them or not. I, for example, like an elitist and selective cultures, so for me tough barriers to entry is definitely a plus... Some people prefer less traditional and more open environment. It is whatever rocks your boat..
Actually, yes, it is all matter of observation. If you want to judge a person/company etc do not look for whatever is obvious, look for small details and decide whether you like them or not. I, for example, like an elitist and selective cultures, so for me tough barriers to entry is definitely a plus... Some people prefer less traditional and more open environment. It is whatever rocks your boat..
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catseye
Cant really say about any particular college, the perfect example of this is one of my senior and me.

Two years back my senior went to LSE with a Higher Second class in LLB degree and three years of work experience in a law firm whereas I passed my LLB with First Class and worked for 5 years (I also worked in the same law firm for 2 years plus worked in the legal departments of a financial institution)....

This year I applied only to LSE and Kings in the 3rd week of January, I was waitlisted at LSE and finally rejected and got accepted at Kings. Was initially upset but later I realised that Finance Law faculty at Kings is excellent so didnt lose much. Of course, I must admit that LSE has a better brand value in general and is very widely known (perhaps more for its economics)

I always assumed earlier, that when my senior can make it to LSE with higher second class, I would always stand a good chance with my credentials....So the moral of the story is that one must apply early and nothing can be said about any college.

Also dont forget this year it was more difficult to get in any good college coz the competition was very high. Most of the universities in US and UK received a record high application...thanks to the Recession!!!!
Cant really say about any particular college, the perfect example of this is one of my senior and me.

Two years back my senior went to LSE with a Higher Second class in LLB degree and three years of work experience in a law firm whereas I passed my LLB with First Class and worked for 5 years (I also worked in the same law firm for 2 years plus worked in the legal departments of a financial institution)....

This year I applied only to LSE and Kings in the 3rd week of January, I was waitlisted at LSE and finally rejected and got accepted at Kings. Was initially upset but later I realised that Finance Law faculty at Kings is excellent so didnt lose much. Of course, I must admit that LSE has a better brand value in general and is very widely known (perhaps more for its economics)

I always assumed earlier, that when my senior can make it to LSE with higher second class, I would always stand a good chance with my credentials....So the moral of the story is that one must apply early and nothing can be said about any college.

Also dont forget this year it was more difficult to get in any good college coz the competition was very high. Most of the universities in US and UK received a record high application...thanks to the Recession!!!!
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CR1
catseye: just to confirm you view on KCL finance law department, I was accepted to LSE and KCL but opted for the latter after some serious research concerning the teachers and the courses.
catseye: just to confirm you view on KCL finance law department, I was accepted to LSE and KCL but opted for the latter after some serious research concerning the teachers and the courses.
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FM1409
Thanks you guys' comments, it's so informative, it seems that my chance in LSE is quite desparate. anyway, I will give a try.

thanks.
Thanks you guys' comments, it's so informative, it seems that my chance in LSE is quite desparate. anyway, I will give a try.

thanks.
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Banking
Do not worry, Catseye...You fell victim of the desire of thge LSE to concentrate more on the UK and EU market...Remember I mentioned this in the past for a couple of unis and some members of the website accused me of things....The timing of your application made little difference because there is a tendency to reject earlier applicants thinking that the later ones would be better. The LLM programme stayed opened for quite a while. KCL (after all negative publicity) has made an effort to broaden its intake. I studied at the LSE and can say that KCL can easilly be perceived as a better brand for law. KCL is known for law and medicine, that's why you go their for...One would go to the LSE for economics, finance and related fields, politics and international relations. I do nit think they see law as a core competency. By the way, why did not you apply to Oxbridge-I think you would have a good chance...
Do not worry, Catseye...You fell victim of the desire of thge LSE to concentrate more on the UK and EU market...Remember I mentioned this in the past for a couple of unis and some members of the website accused me of things....The timing of your application made little difference because there is a tendency to reject earlier applicants thinking that the later ones would be better. The LLM programme stayed opened for quite a while. KCL (after all negative publicity) has made an effort to broaden its intake. I studied at the LSE and can say that KCL can easilly be perceived as a better brand for law. KCL is known for law and medicine, that's why you go their for...One would go to the LSE for economics, finance and related fields, politics and international relations. I do nit think they see law as a core competency. By the way, why did not you apply to Oxbridge-I think you would have a good chance...
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Banking
Sorry for spelling errors guys, difficut to type on balckberry
Sorry for spelling errors guys, difficut to type on balckberry
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Whether an accurate reflection of reality or not,I think it would be fair to say that internationally at least, LSE's brand name and reputation, including for law, comes behind only Oxbridge. In my own experience it is also harder to get into LSE. The students with 2 1s in my class went to Kings, those with 1sts more to LSE. However I think it really all depends on what one is studying-different unis are better in different areas of law. Both, along with UCL, are excellent law schools.
Whether an accurate reflection of reality or not,I think it would be fair to say that internationally at least, LSE's brand name and reputation, including for law, comes behind only Oxbridge. In my own experience it is also harder to get into LSE. The students with 2 1s in my class went to Kings, those with 1sts more to LSE. However I think it really all depends on what one is studying-different unis are better in different areas of law. Both, along with UCL, are excellent law schools.
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Actually, yes, it is all matter of observation. If you want to judge a person/company etc do not look for whatever is obvious, look for small details and decide whether you like them or not. I, for example, like an elitist and selective cultures, so for me tough barriers to entry is definitely a plus... Some people prefer less traditional and more open environment. It is whatever rocks your boat..


I would just caution people on assuming that the Postgraduate admissions practices/guidelines/staff/traditions are the same in a univ/college's medical faculty as compared to a univ/college's law school (or, for that matter, their history department or psychology dept). From my time working in universities, I can say that they will usually be different staff, looking for different things, and prioritising different aspects of a person's application.

Insider knowledge about "elitism" and "selectivity" is only useful if it relates to the decision being made. Otherwise it's guff.
<blockquote>Actually, yes, it is all matter of observation. If you want to judge a person/company etc do not look for whatever is obvious, look for small details and decide whether you like them or not. I, for example, like an elitist and selective cultures, so for me tough barriers to entry is definitely a plus... Some people prefer less traditional and more open environment. It is whatever rocks your boat..</blockquote>

I would just caution people on assuming that the Postgraduate admissions practices/guidelines/staff/traditions are the same in a univ/college's medical faculty as compared to a univ/college's law school (or, for that matter, their history department or psychology dept). From my time working in universities, I can say that they will usually be different staff, looking for different things, and prioritising different aspects of a person's application.

Insider knowledge about "elitism" and "selectivity" is only useful if it relates to the decision being made. Otherwise it's guff.
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CR1
King's among world top 10 Kings School of Law has been ranked seventh in the world for its LLM programmes by Spanish employment magazine Expansión & Empleo and the legal pages of its website Expansion.com. The publications conducted a survey among the top Spanish law firms to find out where to train their best professionals. The ranking also took into account various international classifications such as the ones done by The Financial Times, US News, The Guardian and The Times as well as the one edited by Brian Leiter, professor at the University of Chicago and Director of the Centre of Law, Philosophy and Human Values. Among the top ten law schools are six from the United States, three from the UK and one from Belgium. The other two institutions to appear in the top ten alongside Kings are the London School of Economics and University College London.
King's among world top 10 King’s School of Law has been ranked seventh in the world for its LLM programmes by Spanish employment magazine Expansión & Empleo and the legal pages of its website Expansion.com. The publications conducted a survey among the top Spanish law firms to find out where to train their best professionals. The ranking also took into account various international classifications such as the ones done by The Financial Times, US News, The Guardian and The Times as well as the one edited by Brian Leiter, professor at the University of Chicago and Director of the Centre of Law, Philosophy and Human Values. Among the top ten law schools are six from the United States, three from the UK and one from Belgium. The other two institutions to appear in the top ten alongside King’s are the London School of Economics and University College London.
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joseph s
UCL is harder to get into than kings. UCL requires a good 2:1, so a bare 2:1 can be (and is often) rejected. It depends also on references/work/publications etc.. Kings is a 2:1/2:2 borderline entry. There are plenty of 2:2 degrees doing the LLM at KIngs, but it is still an excellent school.

In London, all the former University of London colleges have merit, but there is a ranking with UCL and the LSE very much at the top. Both UCL and the LSE consider that they compete with Oxbridge, rather than other London colleges, in terms of candidates for entry, their requirements and reputation/research rank etc. Whether this is borne out in reality may be debatable, but this is the position they take if you talk to admissions tutors and faculty.
UCL is harder to get into than kings. UCL requires a good 2:1, so a bare 2:1 can be (and is often) rejected. It depends also on references/work/publications etc.. Kings is a 2:1/2:2 borderline entry. There are plenty of 2:2 degrees doing the LLM at KIngs, but it is still an excellent school.

In London, all the former University of London colleges have merit, but there is a ranking with UCL and the LSE very much at the top. Both UCL and the LSE consider that they compete with Oxbridge, rather than other London colleges, in terms of candidates for entry, their requirements and reputation/research rank etc. Whether this is borne out in reality may be debatable, but this is the position they take if you talk to admissions tutors and faculty.
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CR1
UCL is probably better is international public law and legal theory and jurisprudence. KCL is better for finance law and competition law. Check the teachers and modules ......For the remaining specializations, both institutions are similar but UCL has a slightly better reputation in the UK while KCL has an edge is central Europe and Asia. LSE is obviously excellent but overrated for law (very reputable in the Americas) .
UCL is probably better is international public law and legal theory and jurisprudence. KCL is better for finance law and competition law. Check the teachers and modules ......For the remaining specializations, both institutions are similar but UCL has a slightly better reputation in the UK while KCL has an edge is central Europe and Asia. LSE is obviously excellent but overrated for law (very reputable in the Americas) .
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Russ
I think CR1's assessment is fairly accurate.
I think CR1's assessment is fairly accurate.
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banker3
I would say that the last assessment is accurate as well. The specialization really matters and the partners in the UK firms know it. The majority would name UCL for PIL and legal theory and jurisprudence and perhaps commercial banking but KCL is normally the better choice among the 3 London schools for International Finance and Competition. LSE is strong in most of the fields but except in the Americas, its reputation is on par with UCL and KCL
I would say that the last assessment is accurate as well. The specialization really matters and the partners in the UK firms know it. The majority would name UCL for PIL and legal theory and jurisprudence and perhaps commercial banking but KCL is normally the better choice among the 3 London schools for International Finance and Competition. LSE is strong in most of the fields but except in the Americas, its reputation is on par with UCL and KCL
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