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mygirlies

32 ...I don't think the age is a big issue when applying for an LLM

32 ...I don't think the age is a big issue when applying for an LLM
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llm101

I was 34 when I applied for llm, but I got 4 schools. So your age doesn't matter.

I was 34 when I applied for llm, but I got 4 schools. So your age doesn't matter.
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Mr Easter

So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more.

So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more.
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badkarma56

So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more.


My friend, you can keep that "associate" stuff all for yourself...I've "been there" & "done that" and have NO desire to return to a firm (no more 100 hour work-weeks for me)!

My goal is to become a law professor after the LL.M.

<blockquote>So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more. </blockquote>

My friend, you can keep that "associate" stuff all for yourself...I've "been there" & "done that" and have NO desire to return to a firm (no more 100 hour work-weeks for me)!

My goal is to become a law professor after the LL.M.
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Count me in! I also got ad. Cheer up!

Ouch, I am 34...and I am sooooooo worried that my age will be a problem being admitted to an LLM program. What do you think, too old?!?

@ botolo86

I am 34 too. Man, we are such an old man in this forum!!! Anyway, I got in to several top 14 schools, so I don't think you need to worry about your age seriously. :) At least in a quantitative respect, we have more life/professional experience compared to other applicants in their (even early!) twenties, so make use of your forte. :)

Count me in! I also got ad. Cheer up!

<blockquote>Ouch, I am 34...and I am sooooooo worried that my age will be a problem being admitted to an LLM program. What do you think, too old?!?

@ botolo86

I am 34 too. Man, we are such an old man in this forum!!! Anyway, I got in to several top 14 schools, so I don't think you need to worry about your age seriously. :) At least in a quantitative respect, we have more life/professional experience compared to other applicants in their (even early!) twenties, so make use of your forte. :)
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mygirlies

OK I'm 32 and actually I don't feel old:) My daughters think I look pretty good:)
So you should give yourself more credit ...

I don't know if I'll aim for the BIG Firms, but I hope my age and the fact of being a SAHM ( stay at home mom) will not affect my career...


So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more.

OK I'm 32 and actually I don't feel old:) My daughters think I look pretty good:)
So you should give yourself more credit ...

I don't know if I'll aim for the BIG Firms, but I hope my age and the fact of being a SAHM ( stay at home mom) will not affect my career...


<blockquote>So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more. </blockquote>
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badkarma56

OK I'm 32 and actually I don't feel old:) My daughters think I look pretty good:)
So you should give yourself more credit ...

I don't know if I'll aim for the BIG Firms, but I hope my age and the fact of being a SAHM ( stay at home mom) will not affect my career...


You're kidding, right? Thirty-two is not "old" by any reasonable standard! In fact, a certain amount of "maturity" is required in order to effectively "bill hours" at a major firm. Besides, there are all sorts of other opportunites out there for lawyers...I practiced corporate law at a big firm for a year and absolutely hated it (the work, primarily M&A, was dull and soulless).

Following the firm, my next two jobs (law clerk to a federal court of appeals judge and full-time undergraduate professor-my current gig) were/are much more rewarding and interesting.

Incidentally, firm life is not particularly "healthy" for parents with young children...with all of the hours you'd have to work, you'll barely see your kids (you'll be able to afford an expensive nanny though)!

<blockquote>OK I'm 32 and actually I don't feel old:) My daughters think I look pretty good:)
So you should give yourself more credit ...

I don't know if I'll aim for the BIG Firms, but I hope my age and the fact of being a SAHM ( stay at home mom) will not affect my career...</blockquote>

You're kidding, right? Thirty-two is not "old" by any reasonable standard! In fact, a certain amount of "maturity" is required in order to effectively "bill hours" at a major firm. Besides, there are all sorts of other opportunites out there for lawyers...I practiced corporate law at a big firm for a year and absolutely hated it (the work, primarily M&A, was dull and soulless).

Following the firm, my next two jobs (law clerk to a federal court of appeals judge and full-time undergraduate professor-my current gig) were/are much more rewarding and interesting.

Incidentally, firm life is not particularly "healthy" for parents with young children...with all of the hours you'd have to work, you'll barely see your kids (you'll be able to afford an expensive nanny though)!
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Nathan11

I totally agree with badkarma56. 32 is no time to sit back and retire. Anybody can even start a new profession. Unlike badkrama56, I am kinda satisfied with my current firm life. (Yes, It is definitely fierce and mostly soulless. But, I need money!) However, I dont want to die as a life-long litigator, and I am seriously thinking about making a career move in the near future (hopefully with 3-4 years as a partner). I just hope that US LLM and US bar (I have both in my own country) can give me a better shot when the time has come...

I totally agree with badkarma56. 32 is no time to sit back and retire. Anybody can even start a new profession. Unlike badkrama56, I am kinda satisfied with my current firm life. (Yes, It is definitely fierce and mostly soulless. But, I need money!) However, I don’t want to die as a life-long litigator, and I am seriously thinking about making a career move in the near future (hopefully with 3-4 years as a partner). I just hope that US LLM and US bar (I have both in my own country) can give me a better shot when the time has come...
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MarkBrasil

Well, I am the one who created this Post and I am 29 almost 30. I think there are really young people applying around here. I, myself, thought about applying a few years before, but I chose working instead and getting more experienced. I believe there are lots of young fellows around that wouldnt get too much from their school if they get into the LLM courses right now. I am just wondering anyways. Maybe the age level will increase according to what I am seeing around here.
Keep posting your age!

Well, I am the one who created this Post and I am 29 almost 30. I think there are really young people applying around here. I, myself, thought about applying a few years before, but I chose working instead and getting more experienced. I believe there are lots of young fellows around that wouldnt get too much from their school if they get into the LLM courses right now. I am just wondering anyways. Maybe the age level will increase according to what I am seeing around here.
Keep posting your age!
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dwoli

31...actually turning 32 next June

31...actually turning 32 next June
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Mr Easter

To MarkBrazil

Dude, no offence, but whether a person gets more out of graduate studies will NOT depend on his/her age. I am 24/25, had 2 years exprience and truth be told: i have matured somewhat since I graduated from my LLB. However, I have met some 21 LLBs who are extremely intellegent and mature. They are insightful not just to legal analysis, but also towards personal relations/social interactions. At the very least, the admissions committee thought they were smart and mature enough to attend LLM classes with their older and "wiser" counterparts.

To MarkBrazil

Dude, no offence, but whether a person gets more out of graduate studies will NOT depend on his/her age. I am 24/25, had 2 years exprience and truth be told: i have matured somewhat since I graduated from my LLB. However, I have met some 21 LLBs who are extremely intellegent and mature. They are insightful not just to legal analysis, but also towards personal relations/social interactions. At the very least, the admissions committee thought they were smart and mature enough to attend LLM classes with their older and "wiser" counterparts.
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Bender

Mr. MarkBrazil;

I would expect a wiser, more worldly understanding from someone of your golden years; you're embarrassing us in front of the children.

You clearly can't say that a younger person will "get" less from a year of school than you will, unless you've attended an LL.M program every year since you turned 21, and concluded that the last three were significantly better than the first.

Mr. Easter is entirely correct in his outrage, and even more impressive in his ability to be two different ages at once.

Mr. MarkBrazil;

I would expect a wiser, more worldly understanding from someone of your golden years; you're embarrassing us in front of the children.

You clearly can't say that a younger person will "get" less from a year of school than you will, unless you've attended an LL.M program every year since you turned 21, and concluded that the last three were significantly better than the first.

Mr. Easter is entirely correct in his outrage, and even more impressive in his ability to be two different ages at once.

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Mr Easter

Bender

I'm 24 now but will be 25 when I start LLM. DUHHH

Bender

I'm 24 now but will be 25 when I start LLM. DUHHH
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Bender

That's such a shame: you had me convinced that you were just trying to be adorable: like when a toddler is "six, but going on seven".

You would have been the cutest kid in the LL.M!

That's such a shame: you had me convinced that you were just trying to be adorable: like when a toddler is "six, but going on seven".

You would have been the cutest kid in the LL.M!



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ipsefixit

Guys, I think everybody has got a portion of right in this dispute...

I can just tell you one thing from my point of view. I tested on myself what means on the one hand "working before studying" and on the other hand "studying before working".

I have worked since 2005 working on, and running, securities offering documents published under the US Securities Act. On the closing date of a standard deal (e.g., an issuance of shares), generally, a law firm (legal advisor of one party in the transaction) issues a "legal opinion" - often a so-called "10b-5 opinion".

Well, when I saw my first draft of such an opinion, I never studied Rule 10b-5 of the US Securities Act in a "Securities Regulation" course. But with the months, drafting and re-drafting, opinions over opinions, I could understand the real scope and purpose of this opinion, and its underlying legal foundation, i.e., the Rule 10b-5.

Morevoer, I had the chance to attend a "Corporations" course in Leiden - during the Columbia Summer Program - taught by a very good teacher, and there I got my first complete explanation of such a rule.
Very often, while listening to him, I realized that I had already lived certain factual situations that he was describing from a strict legal viewpoint.

In this sense, and in my specific case, a deeper study of "Securities Regulation" in an LL.M. may strenghten my "work-based" knowledge in this matter.

From the other point of view, it's certainly true that is quite difficult to a student without work experience that he may completely appreciate certain shades during the description of laws and rules that I described above.

That's it. Of course, without offence to anybody.

Best regards!

Guys, I think everybody has got a portion of right in this dispute...

I can just tell you one thing from my point of view. I tested on myself what means on the one hand "working before studying" and on the other hand "studying before working".

I have worked since 2005 working on, and running, securities offering documents published under the US Securities Act. On the closing date of a standard deal (e.g., an issuance of shares), generally, a law firm (legal advisor of one party in the transaction) issues a "legal opinion" - often a so-called "10b-5 opinion".

Well, when I saw my first draft of such an opinion, I never studied Rule 10b-5 of the US Securities Act in a "Securities Regulation" course. But with the months, drafting and re-drafting, opinions over opinions, I could understand the real scope and purpose of this opinion, and its underlying legal foundation, i.e., the Rule 10b-5.

Morevoer, I had the chance to attend a "Corporations" course in Leiden - during the Columbia Summer Program - taught by a very good teacher, and there I got my first complete explanation of such a rule.
Very often, while listening to him, I realized that I had already lived certain factual situations that he was describing from a strict legal viewpoint.

In this sense, and in my specific case, a deeper study of "Securities Regulation" in an LL.M. may strenghten my "work-based" knowledge in this matter.

From the other point of view, it's certainly true that is quite difficult to a student without work experience that he may completely appreciate certain shades during the description of laws and rules that I described above.

That's it. Of course, without offence to anybody.

Best regards!
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MarkBrasil

Mr. Bender e/or Easter.

I believe there was a misunderstanding of my sentences above. What I noticed due the topic I proposed, is that most of the students applying are in their mid 20"s, and some are really young. Therefore, in my opinion (see, an opinion) I believe these students wouldn't get too much from their school especially with the change of professional experiences, which I think its important. It does not mean that they'll waste their time taking an LLM program. No way! I was just making an observation. The way you guys replied "no offence" or whatever, was quite disturbing. I never said that younger ones shouldn't take an LLM course, I just think they wont get too much from their course. If they get, great, congratulations, excellent!
Anyways, like I said it was just an observation. An opinion.
And yes, I am in my golden years and got a lot of background experience to share with everyone that it is interesed.
You guys need to chill out and smile. No ofence.

Mr. Bender e/or Easter.

I believe there was a misunderstanding of my sentences above. What I noticed due the topic I proposed, is that most of the students applying are in their mid 20"s, and some are really young. Therefore, in my opinion (see, an opinion) I believe these students wouldn't get too much from their school especially with the change of professional experiences, which I think its important. It does not mean that they'll waste their time taking an LLM program. No way! I was just making an observation. The way you guys replied "no offence" or whatever, was quite disturbing. I never said that younger ones shouldn't take an LLM course, I just think they wont get too much from their course. If they get, great, congratulations, excellent!
Anyways, like I said it was just an observation. An opinion.
And yes, I am in my golden years and got a lot of background experience to share with everyone that it is interesed.
You guys need to chill out and smile. No ofence.
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MarkBrasil

And Mr. Easter/Bender

in case you want to know, I have 3 graduate courses study levels after my LLB already. (5 years for my LLB and other 4 years of graduate studies in Public Law, International Trade and Taxation). I was thinking if an LLM abroad would be be worth it (I concluded yes). In my experience, the course I took last time was the one that I got the most of it, because I believe I was more experienced and so were my classmates. These 3 courses I took in Brazil correspond to more than 360 hour classes per year (for each year and they were 4), which is quite more than an LLM in US. I am just looking for an international experience.
Anywyas if you guys thought I was discouraging young ones to take an LLM you got the whole gist wrong.

And Mr. Easter/Bender

in case you want to know, I have 3 graduate courses study levels after my LLB already. (5 years for my LLB and other 4 years of graduate studies in Public Law, International Trade and Taxation). I was thinking if an LLM abroad would be be worth it (I concluded yes). In my experience, the course I took last time was the one that I got the most of it, because I believe I was more experienced and so were my classmates. These 3 courses I took in Brazil correspond to more than 360 hour classes per year (for each year and they were 4), which is quite more than an LLM in US. I am just looking for an international experience.
Anywyas if you guys thought I was discouraging young ones to take an LLM you got the whole gist wrong.
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MarkBrasil

Guys, I think everybody has got a portion of right in this dispute...

I can just tell you one thing from my point of view. I tested on myself what means on the one hand "working before studying" and on the other hand "studying before working".

I have worked since 2005 working on, and running, securities offering documents published under the US Securities Act. On the closing date of a standard deal (e.g., an issuance of shares), generally, a law firm (legal advisor of one party in the transaction) issues a "legal opinion" - often a so-called "10b-5 opinion".

Well, when I saw my first draft of such an opinion, I never studied Rule 10b-5 of the US Securities Act in a "Securities Regulation" course. But with the months, drafting and re-drafting, opinions over opinions, I could understand the real scope and purpose of this opinion, and its underlying legal foundation, i.e., the Rule 10b-5.

Morevoer, I had the chance to attend a "Corporations" course in Leiden - during the Columbia Summer Program - taught by a very good teacher, and there I got my first complete explanation of such a rule.
Very often, while listening to him, I realized that I had already lived certain factual situations that he was describing from a strict legal viewpoint.

In this sense, and in my specific case, a deeper study of "Securities Regulation" in an LL.M. may strenghten my "work-based" knowledge in this matter.

From the other point of view, it's certainly true that is quite difficult to a student without work experience that he may completely appreciate certain shades during the description of laws and rules that I described above.

That's it. Of course, without offence to anybody.

Best regards!


YOU ARE SO RIGHT!

<blockquote>Guys, I think everybody has got a portion of right in this dispute...

I can just tell you one thing from my point of view. I tested on myself what means on the one hand "working before studying" and on the other hand "studying before working".

I have worked since 2005 working on, and running, securities offering documents published under the US Securities Act. On the closing date of a standard deal (e.g., an issuance of shares), generally, a law firm (legal advisor of one party in the transaction) issues a "legal opinion" - often a so-called "10b-5 opinion".

Well, when I saw my first draft of such an opinion, I never studied Rule 10b-5 of the US Securities Act in a "Securities Regulation" course. But with the months, drafting and re-drafting, opinions over opinions, I could understand the real scope and purpose of this opinion, and its underlying legal foundation, i.e., the Rule 10b-5.

Morevoer, I had the chance to attend a "Corporations" course in Leiden - during the Columbia Summer Program - taught by a very good teacher, and there I got my first complete explanation of such a rule.
Very often, while listening to him, I realized that I had already lived certain factual situations that he was describing from a strict legal viewpoint.

In this sense, and in my specific case, a deeper study of "Securities Regulation" in an LL.M. may strenghten my "work-based" knowledge in this matter.

From the other point of view, it's certainly true that is quite difficult to a student without work experience that he may completely appreciate certain shades during the description of laws and rules that I described above.

That's it. Of course, without offence to anybody.

Best regards!</blockquote>

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!
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MarkBrasil

To MarkBrazil

Dude, no offence, but whether a person gets more out of graduate studies will NOT depend on his/her age. I am 24/25, had 2 years exprience and truth be told: i have matured somewhat since I graduated from my LLB. However, I have met some 21 LLBs who are extremely intellegent and mature. They are insightful not just to legal analysis, but also towards personal relations/social interactions. At the very least, the admissions committee thought they were smart and mature enough to attend LLM classes with their older and "wiser" counterparts.


That is great. Still I think a more insight perspective regarding a bit of experience wouldn't be bad.

<blockquote>To MarkBrazil

Dude, no offence, but whether a person gets more out of graduate studies will NOT depend on his/her age. I am 24/25, had 2 years exprience and truth be told: i have matured somewhat since I graduated from my LLB. However, I have met some 21 LLBs who are extremely intellegent and mature. They are insightful not just to legal analysis, but also towards personal relations/social interactions. At the very least, the admissions committee thought they were smart and mature enough to attend LLM classes with their older and "wiser" counterparts. </blockquote>

That is great. Still I think a more insight perspective regarding a bit of experience wouldn't be bad.
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MarkBrasil

Mr. MarkBrazil;

I would expect a wiser, more worldly understanding from someone of your golden years; you're embarrassing us in front of the children.

You clearly can't say that a younger person will "get" less from a year of school than you will, unless you've attended an LL.M program every year since you turned 21, and concluded that the last three were significantly better than the first.

Mr. Easter is entirely correct in his outrage, and even more impressive in his ability to be two different ages at once.



Bender, like I said before, I attended other 4 years of study after my LLB program. I was young in the first and the latest course I took was the best one in my opinion, as I was older. Still I didn't say young ones shouldn't take an LLM program. If you got that, maybe you are just implying that I was correct then, as you probably didn't understand what I wrote.
Take it easy and sorry to ofend you in front of the children. kkkkkk

<blockquote>Mr. MarkBrazil;

I would expect a wiser, more worldly understanding from someone of your golden years; you're embarrassing us in front of the children.

You clearly can't say that a younger person will "get" less from a year of school than you will, unless you've attended an LL.M program every year since you turned 21, and concluded that the last three were significantly better than the first.

Mr. Easter is entirely correct in his outrage, and even more impressive in his ability to be two different ages at once.

</blockquote>

Bender, like I said before, I attended other 4 years of study after my LLB program. I was young in the first and the latest course I took was the best one in my opinion, as I was older. Still I didn't say young ones shouldn't take an LLM program. If you got that, maybe you are just implying that I was correct then, as you probably didn't understand what I wrote.
Take it easy and sorry to ofend you in front of the children. kkkkkk
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