I know Yale is supposed to be only for acacemics, but would you study there if want to combine teaching with private practice? graduating from such program does undermine your chances for finding a job in the US (once the crisis is over)?
I have discussed this with my friends and would like to hear your opinion
Thanxs¡¡¡
Yale just for academics?
Posted Feb 13, 2009 16:58
I have discussed this with my friends and would like to hear your opinion
Thanxs¡¡¡
Posted Feb 13, 2009 17:13
I like Fight Club too.
Posted Feb 13, 2009 19:30
'' Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.'' Matthew 5:5
I thank Him for my passage through Yale.
I thank Him for my passage through Yale.
Posted Feb 13, 2009 19:34
I have been told that at least half of Yale LLM students, once they return to their home country, dont became full-time professors, but only teach a couple of hours per week and the rest, private practice (In fact, thats what I want to do: became an adjunct professor, teach one or two hours per week, and the rest continue working in a Law Firm or in a Company).
About the job perspective, US employers known that Yale is the most selective Law School, therefore, you have to be a brilliant professional if you have been admitted there.
Moreover, most Law Firm will not hire you because what you know about American Law (otherwise, they will contract JDs, since, I can assure that one JD from the worst Law School know more American law than an LLM from the best), but because the contribution that you could make in issues regarding your home country or region, or your language or issues that do not require a deep knowledge of the American legal system (i.e. a very technical regulatory issue).
So, if you are among the lucky ones of been admitted at the best Law School of the world, do not hesitate and go there, as I hope to do.
Where are you from Tyler Durden
About the job perspective, US employers known that Yale is the most selective Law School, therefore, you have to be a brilliant professional if you have been admitted there.
Moreover, most Law Firm will not hire you because what you know about American Law (otherwise, they will contract JDs, since, I can assure that one JD from the worst Law School know more American law than an LLM from the best), but because the contribution that you could make in issues regarding your home country or region, or your language or issues that do not require a deep knowledge of the American legal system (i.e. a very technical regulatory issue).
So, if you are among the lucky ones of been admitted at the best Law School of the world, do not hesitate and go there, as I hope to do.
Where are you from Tyler Durden
Posted Feb 13, 2009 19:40
From their website:
"The LL.M. is a one-year course of study for students who have completed their law degree and are interested in law teaching. Learn how to apply. Read about the academic requirements." (http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/howtoapply.htm)
"The LL.M. program is a one-year course of study intended for students committed to careers in law teaching and scholarship." (http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/LLM.htm)
"Admission is available only to individuals planning careers in law teaching and scholarship." (http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/557.htm)
Well, I really like the idea of teaching, but since its not my first priority, I'm not willing to "swing against the tides", and chose Universities with a more practical approach.
"The LL.M. is a one-year course of study for students who have completed their law degree and are interested in law teaching. Learn how to apply. Read about the academic requirements." (http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/howtoapply.htm)
"The LL.M. program is a one-year course of study intended for students committed to careers in law teaching and scholarship." (http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/LLM.htm)
"Admission is available only to individuals planning careers in law teaching and scholarship." (http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/557.htm)
Well, I really like the idea of teaching, but since its not my first priority, I'm not willing to "swing against the tides", and chose Universities with a more practical approach.
Posted Feb 13, 2009 19:58
Grugani: In most countries of the world, law professors teach on a part time basis, since is very difficult to live with the salary that law school pays.
In fact, in many countries the best professors are not full but part time.
It must be difficult for a brilliant students to misspend the chance of earning a lot of money, and thats the reasosn why many brilliant students choose to teach only a couple of hours per week.
In fact, in many countries the best professors are not full but part time.
It must be difficult for a brilliant students to misspend the chance of earning a lot of money, and thats the reasosn why many brilliant students choose to teach only a couple of hours per week.
Posted Feb 13, 2009 20:08
REM,
I totally agree with you and that is the case of my country (Brazil). I just meant that the program is directed to people committed to Law teaching (this is stressed all the time by the university itself) and, therefore, surely it is designed mainly to meet such people's interests.
Regards,
Gustavo
I totally agree with you and that is the case of my country (Brazil). I just meant that the program is directed to people committed to Law teaching (this is stressed all the time by the university itself) and, therefore, surely it is designed mainly to meet such people's interests.
Regards,
Gustavo
Posted Feb 13, 2009 20:13
Ahhh, OK Giustavo, sorry for misunderstand your comment.
I believe that, with only a few exceptions (rich countries such as US, Germany etc.), the most brilliant professors have their own private practice as well in every country of the world.
However (my cousin studied at Yale), as I said, at least half of the students are not full-time professors, and, since you will have classes with JDs, you could make conections with other students that will be very important attorneys in the future, and, as George Bush said when he visited Yale (his alma mater) maybe one of your friend will become President of USA!
And what about you? Not inetrested in teaching part-time?
I believe that, with only a few exceptions (rich countries such as US, Germany etc.), the most brilliant professors have their own private practice as well in every country of the world.
However (my cousin studied at Yale), as I said, at least half of the students are not full-time professors, and, since you will have classes with JDs, you could make conections with other students that will be very important attorneys in the future, and, as George Bush said when he visited Yale (his alma mater) maybe one of your friend will become President of USA!
And what about you? Not inetrested in teaching part-time?
Posted Feb 13, 2009 20:25
Well, that's a point for sure. Although Obama had passages in UChicago and Harvard.... :) I think about part-time teaching, but my first priority is private practice...
Posted Feb 13, 2009 20:50
Yeah, Obama was the exception. He studied at Columbia and Harvard, and taught Constitutional Law in Chicago while he was working at Kirkland & Ellis in that city; but usually prominent politicians (Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ford, Liebermann etc.) prefer Yale over Harvard, but that is also in part because Yale is more selective and it has better reputation among the high class.
Another advantage of been a part-time professor is that you will get recognition in your field, and you can use that recognition in your favor in your private practice.
By the way, I rented a couple of years ago a film about a Brazilian lawyer called Mandrake I like it!!!!, but I dont think that real work in your country is so funny as the film show (or it is? because in that case, I will move to Brazil!)
Another advantage of been a part-time professor is that you will get recognition in your field, and you can use that recognition in your favor in your private practice.
By the way, I rented a couple of years ago a film about a Brazilian lawyer called Mandrake I like it!!!!, but I dont think that real work in your country is so funny as the film show (or it is? because in that case, I will move to Brazil!)
Posted Feb 13, 2009 21:25
'' He studied at Columbia and Harvard, and taught Constitutional Law in Chicago while he was working at Kirkland & Ellis in that city..''
I think it's too early to distort history. Obama transferred to Columbia from Occidental College and worked as a summer associte at Sidley & Austin and Hopkins & Sutter before being permanently employed by Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland - all in Crook County (or is it Cook) Chicago..
Without Him we couldn't have sent a man to the moon for that's Him in the corner.
Praise Him, Praise Him, Praise.
I think it's too early to distort history. Obama transferred to Columbia from Occidental College and worked as a summer associte at Sidley & Austin and Hopkins & Sutter before being permanently employed by Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland - all in Crook County (or is it Cook) Chicago..
Without Him we couldn't have sent a man to the moon for that's Him in the corner.
Praise Him, Praise Him, Praise.
Posted Feb 13, 2009 22:05
God bless you Christ- Choice for correct our mistakes and save us from ignorance! You re completely right, Obama and his wife worked at Sidley Austin, not at Kirkland.
Since Yale is your first choice -and with the help of the Almighty-, hope to meet you at Yale!!!!
Since Yale is your first choice -and with the help of the Almighty-, hope to meet you at Yale!!!!
Posted Feb 13, 2009 23:10
Amen, Amen, Amen.
Posted Feb 16, 2009 14:43
REM, I didn't know that half of Yale students went to private practice after the LLM. But it makes sence, as there only few countries where professors dedicate full time to teach.
grugani, since you are accepted at Chicago and Columbia as well, would you choose those instead of Yale given the approach of the program (no matter Yale's name)?
Finally, I heard that the campus is great but that New Haven is a terrible place, dangerous and dirty. Is it true?
grugani, since you are accepted at Chicago and Columbia as well, would you choose those instead of Yale given the approach of the program (no matter Yale's name)?
Finally, I heard that the campus is great but that New Haven is a terrible place, dangerous and dirty. Is it true?
Posted Feb 16, 2009 15:01
Hi Tyler! I visted YLS a couple of years ago, and I can assure you that New Heaven is a great city, and Yale campus is perhaps the most beautiful of all the campus that I have visted, with many "misterious" places and symbols.
Oh, and New Heaven is an absolutely safe place (is full of polices and private guards), so you will never feel afraid of take a walk at night! There are also many restaurants and inetresting places.
Hope to meet you there Tyler!
Oh, and New Heaven is an absolutely safe place (is full of polices and private guards), so you will never feel afraid of take a walk at night! There are also many restaurants and inetresting places.
Hope to meet you there Tyler!
Posted Feb 16, 2009 15:09
Great news REM¡¡¡¡, I intend to the US with my family, so living in a safe city is very important for me.
I know the chances to be accepted at Yale are low, but I won't give up hope.
Where are you from by the way?
I know the chances to be accepted at Yale are low, but I won't give up hope.
Where are you from by the way?
Posted Feb 16, 2009 15:14
By the way Tyler, I dont know about grugiani, but I was accepted at Chicago and Columbia as well , but, if Yale accept me, I will go there, not only because of its name, but also because of the quality of its students and faculty (both are, by far, the best of US, according to every single ranking made), and the intellectual but relaxed atmosphere that prevail at Yale (in opposition to CLS and HLS, places in which all the students see in you a rival more than a friend).
I am from Europe, and you?
I am from Europe, and you?
Posted Feb 16, 2009 15:40
Tyler,
I'm Brazilian. It may sound like an heresy for some, but I would reject Yale. Both Columbia and Chicago (and also others) are excellent universities and offer programs that better suit my interests. In the end of the day, it's not just a ranking that defines what's best for you, specially considering we are spending a great amount of money on that. If the University does not offer what you expect, I see no reason to attend it just because it is considered the best one (by third parties, with several different interests, by the way). I believe the right question is: which is the best university for you? Congratulations on your admissions!
I'm Brazilian. It may sound like an heresy for some, but I would reject Yale. Both Columbia and Chicago (and also others) are excellent universities and offer programs that better suit my interests. In the end of the day, it's not just a ranking that defines what's best for you, specially considering we are spending a great amount of money on that. If the University does not offer what you expect, I see no reason to attend it just because it is considered the best one (by third parties, with several different interests, by the way). I believe the right question is: which is the best university for you? Congratulations on your admissions!
Posted Feb 18, 2009 03:04
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