Hi everybody,
I'm an Italian law student and I will be graduated in October or December 2010. I would like to take an LLM after my graduation (so in 2011/2012), before becoming a lawyer here, both because I want to have an experience abroad and also because I want at least to try to work in the US. The university where I would like to go is the UPenn. My grades at my law school are among the highest in the whole university, my GPA is 29.2/30, which is pretty high, and I will graduate with the maximum grade (110 with lode). Furthermore, my university (Roma3) has a lot of relationships with the UPenn, every year we have some UPenn students coming here, and I personally met a UPenn professor with whom I am in contact. Also, I am writing my final thesis on an American subject (the chapter 11 and the financial crisis). Yet, there is a very big problem, I do not have work experience. Here in Italy during the law school we do not have internships, and now it's too late to start one because I have to concentrate on the last exams I have to take and on my thesis. Which are my possibilities of getting in the UPenn without a serious resume but just with a good academic background? And in other schools (NYU, Cardozo..etc)? Thank you!
POSSIBILITY OF GETTING IN UPENN
Posted Apr 09, 2010 17:54
I'm an Italian law student and I will be graduated in October or December 2010. I would like to take an LLM after my graduation (so in 2011/2012), before becoming a lawyer here, both because I want to have an experience abroad and also because I want at least to try to work in the US. The university where I would like to go is the UPenn. My grades at my law school are among the highest in the whole university, my GPA is 29.2/30, which is pretty high, and I will graduate with the maximum grade (110 with lode). Furthermore, my university (Roma3) has a lot of relationships with the UPenn, every year we have some UPenn students coming here, and I personally met a UPenn professor with whom I am in contact. Also, I am writing my final thesis on an American subject (the chapter 11 and the financial crisis). Yet, there is a very big problem, I do not have work experience. Here in Italy during the law school we do not have internships, and now it's too late to start one because I have to concentrate on the last exams I have to take and on my thesis. Which are my possibilities of getting in the UPenn without a serious resume but just with a good academic background? And in other schools (NYU, Cardozo..etc)? Thank you!
Posted Apr 09, 2010 18:17
I am going to Penn this year and I have never worked a day in my life! I graduate law school this summer. So you should have no bother, especially since your resume is so good.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Posted Apr 09, 2010 18:39
thanks...any other relieving replies or experiences? i was very discouraged when i read other posts, it seems that if you are not already a lawyer law schools will not consider your application...
Posted Apr 09, 2010 23:40
thanks...any other relieving replies or experiences? i was very discouraged when i read other posts, it seems that if you are not already a lawyer law schools will not consider your application...
You have to check the school's website, since I think that they requiere applicants to have the lawyer title (for you should be Avvocato). For what I recall, you need 2 years of work or practice beofore obtaining the title, right? In my country is difrferent, just requieres a thesis or an exam, but I remember hearing about that when I was in Italy. Also check LSAC, because there they have some common definitions of wht the title they require is called in several countries.
Good luck!
You have to check the school's website, since I think that they requiere applicants to have the lawyer title (for you should be Avvocato). For what I recall, you need 2 years of work or practice beofore obtaining the title, right? In my country is difrferent, just requieres a thesis or an exam, but I remember hearing about that when I was in Italy. Also check LSAC, because there they have some common definitions of wht the title they require is called in several countries.
Good luck!
Posted Apr 10, 2010 11:21
Hi everybody,
I'm an Italian law student and I will be graduated in October or December 2010.
Ciao nanolo,
I am an Italian student as well. I applied this year for a LL.M. in US.
I have a similar CV: graduated at University of Florence (cum laude) on "Choice of forum clauses in Europe", GPA of 29.5/30, no significant internship during the university.
The only differences with your situation is that I did an Erasmus (now L.L.P.) in Leicester, England (as, you can see, I am not saying "Oxbridge") and that, since I graduated in April '09, I started in the following September the italian legal practice (that I am currently doing). But when I will be leaving to US I will have completed only one year of practice, so it is not that much. Plus, I am not in any top-firm or international commercial firm.
I applied:
UPenn: admitted
Chicago: waitlisted
CLS: rejected
HLS: rejected
Berkeley: admitted
NYU: admitted
I will go to NYU.
The important things you can do is a great Personal Statment (take your time, it is not that simple for italian minds) and find good references from Professors who know you very well and who are known abroad.
If you have any question, feel free to ask - I will be glad to answer.
Before concluding, if it helps you in any way, the 1year of LL.M. counts toward the 2years mandatory italian legal practice, at least at Florence Bar.
Ciao,
indigo
I'm an Italian law student and I will be graduated in October or December 2010. </blockquote>
Ciao nanolo,
I am an Italian student as well. I applied this year for a LL.M. in US.
I have a similar CV: graduated at University of Florence (cum laude) on "Choice of forum clauses in Europe", GPA of 29.5/30, no significant internship during the university.
The only differences with your situation is that I did an Erasmus (now L.L.P.) in Leicester, England (as, you can see, I am not saying "Oxbridge") and that, since I graduated in April '09, I started in the following September the italian legal practice (that I am currently doing). But when I will be leaving to US I will have completed only one year of practice, so it is not that much. Plus, I am not in any top-firm or international commercial firm.
I applied:
UPenn: admitted
Chicago: waitlisted
CLS: rejected
HLS: rejected
Berkeley: admitted
NYU: admitted
I will go to NYU.
The important things you can do is a great Personal Statment (take your time, it is not that simple for italian minds) and find good references from Professors who know you very well and who are known abroad.
If you have any question, feel free to ask - I will be glad to answer.
Before concluding, if it helps you in any way, the 1year of LL.M. counts toward the 2years mandatory italian legal practice, at least at Florence Bar.
Ciao,
indigo
Posted Apr 14, 2010 00:28
Hi everyone, it looks like we are all italians ;)!
Anch'io sono italiana, e potrebbe essere utile scambiarsi un pò di info...
Io mi laureo adesso a giugno, sono al 5° anno e non ho mai lavorato. Anche io ho una media alta e ho fatto numerosi scambi con l'estero. Ho fatto domanda in 4 università (NYU, Cornell, GULC and HLS) e solo quest'ultima mi ha rifiutato. Andrò a GULC. L'esperienza lavorativa non è necessaria. Spesso è consigliata ma non si può mai sapere che cosa vedano in te coloro che scelgono gli studenti e probabilmente influiscono moltissimi fattori.
Provare non costa nulla, o quasi. Io conosco personalmente due ragazzi con background identici e solo uno è entrato ad HLS. Magari cercano cose diverse in anni diversi. Non ti far scoraggiare da quale sarebbe il percorso che loro cercano, perchè è davvero impossibile saperlo.
Inoltre, in alcune di queste università e specialmente nelle più prestigiose, competerai solo con ragazzi italiani e non tutti avranno certo un esperienza lavorativa!
Concordo con Indigo che il paper, ma soprattutto le recommendations siano fondamentali! Scegli con gran cura i tuoi 'raccomandanti'! Se hai bisogno di qualsiasi cosa, anche sulla pratica ecc, non esitare!
Ciao :)
Anch'io sono italiana, e potrebbe essere utile scambiarsi un pò di info...
Io mi laureo adesso a giugno, sono al 5° anno e non ho mai lavorato. Anche io ho una media alta e ho fatto numerosi scambi con l'estero. Ho fatto domanda in 4 università (NYU, Cornell, GULC and HLS) e solo quest'ultima mi ha rifiutato. Andrò a GULC. L'esperienza lavorativa non è necessaria. Spesso è consigliata ma non si può mai sapere che cosa vedano in te coloro che scelgono gli studenti e probabilmente influiscono moltissimi fattori.
Provare non costa nulla, o quasi. Io conosco personalmente due ragazzi con background identici e solo uno è entrato ad HLS. Magari cercano cose diverse in anni diversi. Non ti far scoraggiare da quale sarebbe il percorso che loro cercano, perchè è davvero impossibile saperlo.
Inoltre, in alcune di queste università e specialmente nelle più prestigiose, competerai solo con ragazzi italiani e non tutti avranno certo un esperienza lavorativa!
Concordo con Indigo che il paper, ma soprattutto le recommendations siano fondamentali! Scegli con gran cura i tuoi 'raccomandanti'! Se hai bisogno di qualsiasi cosa, anche sulla pratica ecc, non esitare!
Ciao :)
Posted Apr 14, 2010 10:46
Grazie mille a tutti e due! E' molto confortante sentirlo...eri, ma tu quindi hai fatto l'application prima ancora di essere laureata? So che è possibile, perchè ho contattato alcune università sulla questione, ma pensavo che poi le chances di essere ammessi si abbassassero ulteriormente. Sulle lettere di raccomandazione sto lavorando molto, dovrei riuscire ad ottenerne varie che userò a seconda dell'università alla quale le mando: alla UPenn userò una lettera di un professore che ha tenuto varie lezioni là e conosce bene l'ambiente (magari qualcuno nel board di ammissione??) e forse di un ex-LLM dalla Penn ora assistente (oltre che del relatore), per altre ne userò anche una di un JD che insegna da noi e di un altro ex-LLM da Washington...Insomma cercherò professori internazionali e che conoscano l'università in questione. Grazie ad entrambi. In bocca al lupo per la tua laurea eri, e per il vostro LLM. Se non vi secca lasciarmi la vostra e-mail, mi farebbe piacere, magari vi scoccio un altro po'...:)Ciao!
Posted Apr 14, 2010 20:35
ciao ragazzi, io sogno di andare a SLS/HLS/YLS!!!spero di riuscirci nel giro di qualche anno dal momento che non sono ancora laureato e prima credo che farò una puntatina oltremanica..ad esempio Oxbridge...giusto per migliorare il curriculum e rendermi appetibile rispetto alle tre univ suddette!!
complimenti per le vostre ammisioni ottenute in varie law school; personalmente credo che per puntare alle migliori univ sia indispensabile avere ottimi voti, buone lettere di presentazione e qualche esperienza tipo stage, pratica legale e magari un dottorato!!poi uno è apposto..almeno spero!!
complimenti per le vostre ammisioni ottenute in varie law school; personalmente credo che per puntare alle migliori univ sia indispensabile avere ottimi voti, buone lettere di presentazione e qualche esperienza tipo stage, pratica legale e magari un dottorato!!poi uno è apposto..almeno spero!!
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