NYU vs Chicago


yueping

If I were accepted to NYU, I would have chosen NYU : it is in the top 5 and there is a certain prestige in going to a top 5 law school, not to mention that it is NY after all.

If I were accepted to NYU, I would have chosen NYU : it is in the top 5 and there is a certain prestige in going to a top 5 law school, not to mention that it is NY after all.
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Maurine

Well....if it were my decision, i might not choose NYU- not to say that it isnt a great school, but that it is a very large class...there is no real over all experience with one not even knowing ur classmates or the JD students... also things are unhealthly competitive there making it a lil unpleasant...this is largely the opinion of some students from NYU that i know of...besides that great to put on the resume- u live in NY NY which I know lots of people see as a added advantage...
U of C has a smaller class and is in Chicago also a great city with fabulous architecture and the Chicago campus is awesome (well, the law school is in an ugly "modern" campus) but the whole campus is really pretty. on the ranking front U of C is also a top 10 school so thats an important aspect.
I dont know if i am making ur decision easier or confusing, but the plus of living in NY is that since thats the bar that most LLMs qualify thats the place to target...
Tough call...but to my mind, the balance is tipped in favor of U of C!
Good Luck

Well....if it were my decision, i might not choose NYU- not to say that it isnt a great school, but that it is a very large class...there is no real over all experience with one not even knowing ur classmates or the JD students... also things are unhealthly competitive there making it a lil unpleasant...this is largely the opinion of some students from NYU that i know of...besides that great to put on the resume- u live in NY NY which I know lots of people see as a added advantage...
U of C has a smaller class and is in Chicago also a great city with fabulous architecture and the Chicago campus is awesome (well, the law school is in an ugly "modern" campus) but the whole campus is really pretty. on the ranking front U of C is also a top 10 school so thats an important aspect.
I dont know if i am making ur decision easier or confusing, but the plus of living in NY is that since thats the bar that most LLMs qualify thats the place to target...
Tough call...but to my mind, the balance is tipped in favor of U of C!
Good Luck
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yueping

NY is the one of the only bars open to foreigners, so if you want to be a lawyer in the US, NYU is the obvious choice (over Chicago)

NY is the one of the only bars open to foreigners, so if you want to be a lawyer in the US, NYU is the obvious choice (over Chicago)
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Mandingo

The number of LLM students in a given year that get hired by US employers is extremely small. And the LLMs are in abundance. In T14 schools alone there are aprox. 1100 llms/year, plus all the hopefulls from lower ranked schools.

Do the math my friend..

Why do the law schools refuse to publish placement statistics for the LLM students?
Because the placement succes is horribly low even in the top programs.

The number of LLM students in a given year that get hired by US employers is extremely small. And the LLMs are in abundance. In T14 schools alone there are aprox. 1100 llms/year, plus all the hopefulls from lower ranked schools.

Do the math my friend..

Why do the law schools refuse to publish placement statistics for the LLM students?
Because the placement succes is horribly low even in the top programs.


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LenaZ

@Mandingo
Good Stat, Some more stats : The first T10 schools admit aprox. 3300 JD's and these same schools admit 1100 as you stated. One out of three new Law students in the top ten US schools are foreign LLM's.
NYU admits 450 JD's and 425 LLM's so 50/50 percent at NYU of Foreign LLM's vs. JD's.
Look at the percentage of U of Chicago 50 LLM's vs 192 approx 22%.
JD's/LLM's Harvard 554/150 Yale 189/28 Columbia 374/175 Stanford 172/30 U of Penn 257/80 U of Va 360/35
You do the math. Which schools represent your interests?
Leiter Reports: Schools placement at Top Law Firms:
#1 Harvard #2 Chicago tied with Univ. of Virginia #4 Yale #5 Stanford #6 U of Mich #7 Columbia tied with Duke #9 NYU tied with University of Penn
Hard data to place in your evaluations:
Best to all in their ruminations.....

@Mandingo
Good Stat, Some more stats : The first T10 schools admit aprox. 3300 JD's and these same schools admit 1100 as you stated. One out of three new Law students in the top ten US schools are foreign LLM's.
NYU admits 450 JD's and 425 LLM's so 50/50 percent at NYU of Foreign LLM's vs. JD's.
Look at the percentage of U of Chicago 50 LLM's vs 192 approx 22%.
JD's/LLM's Harvard 554/150 Yale 189/28 Columbia 374/175 Stanford 172/30 U of Penn 257/80 U of Va 360/35
You do the math. Which schools represent your interests?
Leiter Reports: Schools placement at Top Law Firms:
#1 Harvard #2 Chicago tied with Univ. of Virginia #4 Yale #5 Stanford #6 U of Mich #7 Columbia tied with Duke #9 NYU tied with University of Penn
Hard data to place in your evaluations:
Best to all in their ruminations.....
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Mandingo

Darling, I was talking about JOB PLACEMENT(in the US) for the LLMs, not admissions data.

The Leiter report is mainly about JD placement.

The fact remains that there is not any published data about the LLM placement in the US market, even though it could be easily done. NOW WHY is that..

Darling, I was talking about JOB PLACEMENT(in the US) for the LLMs, not admissions data.

The Leiter report is mainly about JD placement.

The fact remains that there is not any published data about the LLM placement in the US market, even though it could be easily done. NOW WHY is that..
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LenaZ

Seems obvious.
I was just trying to add some data that may help extrapolate the JD and LLM picture as to which any meaningful hard data is not currently available.

Seems obvious.
I was just trying to add some data that may help extrapolate the JD and LLM picture as to which any meaningful hard data is not currently available.

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Mandingo

Ok.

People will have to realize that LLM programs are there to make money for the schools, not to prepare foreign lawyers for US practise.

This is a touch pedantic, but a small correction: One out of four T14 grads are LLMs

Ok.

People will have to realize that LLM programs are there to make money for the schools, not to prepare foreign lawyers for US practise.

This is a touch pedantic, but a small correction: One out of four T14 grads are LLMs
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LenaZ

Yes

Yes
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