@cmplxlitigator: Look I don't want to be disrespectful, but please don't play the role of "the lawyer" in a board full of (apparently much more experienced) lawyers... it doesn't make you sound smart.
Instead of watching "Boston Legal", I suggest you to read carefully what others write before posting.
mgm.
Read what you wrote. That statement is completely consistent with the statement I quoted.
Where did I deny this? I'm not saying that NYU's rules for erollment are contradictory. I'm just saying that your analysis openly disregards one clause that is absolutely relevant, for it specifically applies to the people you intend to advice and commands them to do X (while you are telling them they can do Y, and still be playing safely within the rules if they do so).
Besides basic contract law holds that where there is ambiguity the clause will be construed in a manner most favorable to the non drafting party.
What? Other than proving your "ample knowledge" of the law (I'm impressed), what does this has to do with it? (As if NYU would take you to court...)
But again it isn't ambiguous.
Ah, now I see what it has to do with it.
If you accept you must withdrawl applications with offers or more appropriately turn down the offers. The competing sentence clearly and unambiguously states that anyone who accepts NYU's offer must withdraw from any offers of admission you have at that point.
What's up with this lawyerly defense of a point everyone agrees on?? Save the fancy wording for the supreme court brief, please.
They could have said any and all applications that you have submitted. Instead only offers at the point in time of acceptance.
Which part of "you must withdraw all pending applications" you didn't get? I'm just curious.
Those persons who are offered admission and scholarships are very concerned about accepting the NYU offer and then receive an admit from HLS or any other school they still haven't heard from.
At last, here you contradict something I've written. ...Oh wait, didn't I write: "people that are worried about timing are those who got NYU offers WITH A SCHOLARSHIP, 'cause they have to accept it by March 9 or sooner." Well, at least I'm glad we're on the same page...
It would be better to get an extension because you wouldn't forfeit your deposit if you accepted a subsequent offer.
Look, the whole point of the debate is that there is (or better: IF there is) something more than $500 to loose for people who go for the "dishonest acceptance" strategy. No one facing a choice between "H/Y -$500" and "NYU with scholarship" is particularly concerned with such a dilemma.
However, the section you quoted from makes it clear that NYU understands the situtation prospective students with offers have but they are offerring admission and scholarship to those students to whom NYU is there first choice.
Oh, man. You just don't get it. Again: if NYU was those people's first choice, we wouldn't be having an argument --they (we) would simply enroll. If what you're implying is that NYU just THINKS they are our first choice although really they are not ('cause we've deceived them), then read careefully the same document of conditions for enrollment:
"Our preference is that our scholarship awards assist those whose first choice is to attend NYU Law. If NYU is your school of choice-and we certainly hope it is-you may of course accept our offer and enroll today. If you need more time to deliberate, we have provided a short interval..." Got it now? They are not necessarily making offers to people who consider NYU their first choice; in case they are NOT your first choice, they just ask you to think about it (get expedit answers from others, etc.) and, in the case you finally decide to enroll with a scholarship, they reasonably require you to treat them as your school of first choice.
Makes sense. Its their school and their money,
Of course it does!
but they do give honest students a honorable out should they receive a subsequent offer from a preferred law school sans the depost of course.
OK, I quit!
Now, back to serious business:
Since (hopefully now) everybody agrees that there is a breach in case you accept a scholarship-offer from NYU and then decide to enroll in another school (H/Y, whatever), some have asked what would NYU do in this case, if and how can they "punish" you.
For other Boston Legal fans that happen to be around: no, they won't take you to court.
Thay can do 3 things, to my knowledge:
1. Blacklist you from any future NYU thing. Unlikely that they actually have a black list, but might happen.
2. Let other schools know about your lack of ethical behavior (it is not hard to know which could be the one you're enrolling in, there are some 6 or 7 other schools "worth" the move). Keep in mind that schools have ties much more important to them than the mere fact of getting one slightly better candidate (you're not the Tiger Woods of law, I'm sorry to tell). So if you're going for this, make sure that the law school of your first choice is aware of the situation and agrees to maintain its offer.
3. They can contact your recommenders and let them know. They won't like it, believe me. Your recommenders are putting their prestige behind you, not only informing you are an academically worth candidate, but that you are a person of integrity worth of NYU (H/Y, etc.). NYU may stop paying attention to your recommenders' recommendees from now on...
Those are my 2 cents.
@cmplxlitigator: Look I don't want to be disrespectful, but please don't play the role of "the lawyer" in a board full of (apparently much more experienced) lawyers... it doesn't make you sound smart.
Instead of watching "Boston Legal", I suggest you to read carefully what others write before posting.
<blockquote>mgm.
Read what you wrote. That statement is completely consistent with the statement I quoted.</blockquote>
Where did I deny this? I'm not saying that NYU's rules for erollment are contradictory. I'm just saying that your analysis openly disregards one clause that is absolutely relevant, for it specifically applies to the people you intend to advice and commands them to do X (while you are telling them they can do Y, and still be playing safely within the rules if they do so).
<blockquote>Besides basic contract law holds that where there is ambiguity the clause will be construed in a manner most favorable to the non drafting party.</blockquote>
What? Other than proving your "ample knowledge" of the law (I'm impressed), what does this has to do with it? (As if NYU would take you to court...)
<blockquote>But again it isn't ambiguous.</blockquote>
Ah, now I see what it has to do with it.
<blockquote>If you accept you must withdrawl applications with offers or more appropriately turn down the offers. The competing sentence clearly and unambiguously states that anyone who accepts NYU's offer must withdraw from any offers of admission you have at that point.</blockquote>
What's up with this lawyerly defense of a point everyone agrees on?? Save the fancy wording for the supreme court brief, please.
<blockquote>They could have said any and all applications that you have submitted. Instead only offers at the point in time of acceptance.</blockquote>
Which part of "you must withdraw all pending applications" you didn't get? I'm just curious.
<blockquote>Those persons who are offered admission and scholarships are very concerned about accepting the NYU offer and then receive an admit from HLS or any other school they still haven't heard from.</blockquote>
At last, here you contradict something I've written. ...Oh wait, didn't I write: "people that are worried about timing are those who got NYU offers WITH A SCHOLARSHIP, 'cause they have to accept it by March 9 or sooner." Well, at least I'm glad we're on the same page...
<blockquote>It would be better to get an extension because you wouldn't forfeit your deposit if you accepted a subsequent offer.</blockquote>
Look, the whole point of the debate is that there is (or better: IF there is) something more than $500 to loose for people who go for the "dishonest acceptance" strategy. No one facing a choice between "H/Y -$500" and "NYU with scholarship" is particularly concerned with such a dilemma.
<blockquote>However, the section you quoted from makes it clear that NYU understands the situtation prospective students with offers have but they are offerring admission and scholarship to those students to whom NYU is there first choice.</blockquote>
Oh, man. You just don't get it. Again: if NYU was those people's first choice, we wouldn't be having an argument --they (we) would simply enroll. If what you're implying is that NYU just THINKS they are our first choice although really they are not ('cause we've deceived them), then read careefully the same document of conditions for enrollment:
"Our preference is that our scholarship awards assist those whose first choice is to attend NYU Law. If NYU is your school of choice-and we certainly hope it is-you may of course accept our offer and enroll today. If you need more time to deliberate, we have provided a short interval..." Got it now? They are not necessarily making offers to people who consider NYU their first choice; in case they are NOT your first choice, they just ask you to think about it (get expedit answers from others, etc.) and, in the case you finally decide to enroll with a scholarship, they reasonably require you to treat them as your school of first choice.
<blockquote>Makes sense. Its their school and their money,</blockquote>
Of course it does!
<blockquote>but they do give honest students a honorable out should they receive a subsequent offer from a preferred law school sans the depost of course.</blockquote>
OK, I quit!
Now, back to serious business:
Since (hopefully now) everybody agrees that there is a breach in case you accept a scholarship-offer from NYU and then decide to enroll in another school (H/Y, whatever), some have asked what would NYU do in this case, if and how can they "punish" you.
For other Boston Legal fans that happen to be around: no, they won't take you to court.
Thay can do 3 things, to my knowledge:
1. Blacklist you from any future NYU thing. Unlikely that they actually have a black list, but might happen.
2. Let other schools know about your lack of ethical behavior (it is not hard to know which could be the one you're enrolling in, there are some 6 or 7 other schools "worth" the move). Keep in mind that schools have ties much more important to them than the mere fact of getting one slightly better candidate (you're not the Tiger Woods of law, I'm sorry to tell). So if you're going for this, make sure that the law school of your first choice is aware of the situation and agrees to maintain its offer.
3. They can contact your recommenders and let them know. They won't like it, believe me. Your recommenders are putting their prestige behind you, not only informing you are an academically worth candidate, but that you are a person of integrity worth of NYU (H/Y, etc.). NYU may stop paying attention to your recommenders' recommendees from now on...
Those are my 2 cents.