LL.M. US job market is dead...


Mr.Catra

I'm Sorry, my full name is Mr. Catravwski and I'm from Russia. Why are u guys speaking in portuguese? Does "Mr. Catra" means something bad in portuguese?

I'm Sorry, my full name is Mr. Catravwski and I'm from Russia. Why are u guys speaking in portuguese? Does "Mr. Catra" means something bad in portuguese?
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Pharrell

Cidade de Deus :) ...

Cidade de Deus :) ...
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Pharrell

Reply to Mr.Catra...look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proibid%C3%A3o

Reply to Mr.Catra...look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proibid%C3%A3o
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mauricel

Hey everyone, I just wanted to share my view on LL.M job-seeking. It's always been tough - just check out Penn's warning: http://www.law.upenn.edu/cpp/prospective/llm/

In this market, getting a US job with an LL.M alone is obviously tougher than ever. I want to emphasize, however, that if your goal is to get a job with a top US law firm, then you shouldn't be applying for an LL.M. The LL.M degree makes sense only if you want to return home after your study (some people get a year-long position with a NY firm, which is great, those these are hard to get and infrequently lead to longer-term positions).

I got a Chicago LL.M and subsequently obtained a Stanford JD. You can't even imagine the difference when it comes to obtaining employment. As a JD student at a good law school, you have more offers coming your way than you know what to do with. If only that were true of the LL.M...

I don't want to put anyone off the LL.M experience - it was fantastic. Just make sure you know what you're doing it for. Many good US schools offer a 2-year JD. If you want US law firm experience beyond a single year, then you should be focusing on the JD (the increased cost and greater selectivity of JD programs notwithstanding)


Thanks for your sharing Irish_Guy.

What about if i got a LLM in a good CA law schools and then passed the CA bar exam, and if I'm looking for local / regional firms but not top int'l firms? And with Mandarin/ Cantonese capability?

I think most of us here who wants to work at US have already got a JD/LLB-equivalent qualifications. Therefore, we do not hope or cannot invest two / three more years full time in US for study.

That's why we choose the LLM-bar-exam route. What do you think if the above plans make sense in US market?

<blockquote>Hey everyone, I just wanted to share my view on LL.M job-seeking. It's always been tough - just check out Penn's warning: http://www.law.upenn.edu/cpp/prospective/llm/

In this market, getting a US job with an LL.M alone is obviously tougher than ever. I want to emphasize, however, that if your goal is to get a job with a top US law firm, then you shouldn't be applying for an LL.M. The LL.M degree makes sense only if you want to return home after your study (some people get a year-long position with a NY firm, which is great, those these are hard to get and infrequently lead to longer-term positions).

I got a Chicago LL.M and subsequently obtained a Stanford JD. You can't even imagine the difference when it comes to obtaining employment. As a JD student at a good law school, you have more offers coming your way than you know what to do with. If only that were true of the LL.M...

I don't want to put anyone off the LL.M experience - it was fantastic. Just make sure you know what you're doing it for. Many good US schools offer a 2-year JD. If you want US law firm experience beyond a single year, then you should be focusing on the JD (the increased cost and greater selectivity of JD programs notwithstanding) </blockquote>

Thanks for your sharing Irish_Guy.

What about if i got a LLM in a good CA law schools and then passed the CA bar exam, and if I'm looking for local / regional firms but not top int'l firms? And with Mandarin/ Cantonese capability?

I think most of us here who wants to work at US have already got a JD/LLB-equivalent qualifications. Therefore, we do not hope or cannot invest two / three more years full time in US for study.

That's why we choose the LLM-bar-exam route. What do you think if the above plans make sense in US market?
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Mr.Catra

Ok, So I'd better change my alias to my given name, which is:CAPITÃO NASCIMENTO!

- 02, pede pra sair!!!!

Valeu galera!

Ok, So I'd better change my alias to my given name, which is:CAPITÃO NASCIMENTO!

- 02, pede pra sair!!!!

Valeu galera!
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Pharrell

You`re welcome. :) and good luck on the US job market....

You`re welcome. :) and good luck on the US job market....
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Mr. Catra's official website (in Portuguese haha): http://www.catra.com.br/

As Cap. Nascimento would say:
"Bota na conta do Papa."
"Nunca serão!!!"
"O senhor é um fanfarrão!"
"Eu já falei que isso vai dar merda capitão."
"Senta o dedo nesta porra."

If the U.S. job market is not dead yet, Cap. Nascimento is going to kill it!!! He is tougher than Chuck Norris!

For those 'gringos' who are completely lost, read "Cap. Nascimento" profile at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0861739/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropa_de_Elite
: Brazilian movies rule!

É nóis na favela, mano. Vc sai da favela, mas a favela não sai de você... Como dizem os manos do Capão Redondo e do Jd. Ângela: "o bagulho é doido, o processo é lento e o advogado é nóia"!

Ok, So I'd better change my alias to my given name, which is:CAPITÃO NASCIMENTO!

- 02, pede pra sair!!!!

Valeu galera!

Mr. Catra's official website (in Portuguese haha): http://www.catra.com.br/

As Cap. Nascimento would say:
"Bota na conta do Papa."
"Nunca serão!!!"
"O senhor é um fanfarrão!"
"Eu já falei que isso vai dar merda capitão."
"Senta o dedo nesta porra."

If the U.S. job market is not dead yet, Cap. Nascimento is going to kill it!!! He is tougher than Chuck Norris!

For those 'gringos' who are completely lost, read "Cap. Nascimento" profile at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0861739/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropa_de_Elite
: Brazilian movies rule!

É nóis na favela, mano. Vc sai da favela, mas a favela não sai de você... Como dizem os manos do Capão Redondo e do Jd. Ângela: "o bagulho é doido, o processo é lento e o advogado é nóia"!

<blockquote>Ok, So I'd better change my alias to my given name, which is:CAPITÃO NASCIMENTO!

- 02, pede pra sair!!!!

Valeu galera!</blockquote>
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BabyLucky

I'm Sorry, my full name is Mr. Catravwski and I'm from Russia. Why are u guys speaking in portuguese? Does "Mr. Catra" means something bad in portuguese?


hey, I am from Russia too.

What school did you apply to? Can we chat a bit via PM or here?? I am so glad to find a Russian person here!

<blockquote>I'm Sorry, my full name is Mr. Catravwski and I'm from Russia. Why are u guys speaking in portuguese? Does "Mr. Catra" means something bad in portuguese?</blockquote>

hey, I am from Russia too.

What school did you apply to? Can we chat a bit via PM or here?? I am so glad to find a Russian person here!
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BabyLucky

Can anyone tell me why people really want to work in the US so badly ?


I really do not understand that too :> I am planning on returnng to Russia after the LL.M...
160 or 220.. in the long-run, the salaries at Intl' companies or firms in the US and abroad will be almost the same (untill we talk about a person who dreams of positions 1 in the biggest and the most profitable law firms)... I think.

<blockquote>Can anyone tell me why people really want to work in the US so badly ?</blockquote>

I really do not understand that too :> I am planning on returnng to Russia after the LL.M...
160 or 220.. in the long-run, the salaries at Intl' companies or firms in the US and abroad will be almost the same (untill we talk about a person who dreams of positions 1 in the biggest and the most profitable law firms)... I think.
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IL2010

Hello all..

I am a LLM Student at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, and I just started my experience a month ago. First we had what is called LLM Advantage Class, which the idea is to prepare the international students to year that is to come. The classes started last Monday, 08/24, and I am expected to be graduating in May 2010.
I have been reading some posts about the subject and I have to say about it is:
Yes, finding a job being with a LLM Degree is being hard. I know a bunch of ex-LLM students who decided to get into the JD program because the situation has not being good for us.
Second, with the LLM Degree we can only sit for the BAR in NY and California, and this last one don't give 100% assure that we will bet our license. The other 50 or something like that states, just allow us to take the BAR exam if we go into the JD Program.
So yes, before coming here and spending about $60,000.00 in a year, make sure that you will be aware of everything.
BUT, I am having such a wonderful time. Learning English, knowing people from all parts of the world, improving my English, and so on. I thing students should not only consider the idea of getting a job here in the US, but maybe come here, study for a year, learn, and why not, go back home and teach somebody else about this experience.
It is a tough decision, so make sure of all of those thinks before you come.

Hello all..

I am a LLM Student at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, and I just started my experience a month ago. First we had what is called LLM Advantage Class, which the idea is to prepare the international students to year that is to come. The classes started last Monday, 08/24, and I am expected to be graduating in May 2010.
I have been reading some posts about the subject and I have to say about it is:
Yes, finding a job being with a LLM Degree is being hard. I know a bunch of ex-LLM students who decided to get into the JD program because the situation has not being good for us.
Second, with the LLM Degree we can only sit for the BAR in NY and California, and this last one don't give 100% assure that we will bet our license. The other 50 or something like that states, just allow us to take the BAR exam if we go into the JD Program.
So yes, before coming here and spending about $60,000.00 in a year, make sure that you will be aware of everything.
BUT, I am having such a wonderful time. Learning English, knowing people from all parts of the world, improving my English, and so on. I thing students should not only consider the idea of getting a job here in the US, but maybe come here, study for a year, learn, and why not, go back home and teach somebody else about this experience.
It is a tough decision, so make sure of all of those thinks before you come.
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Esmedusp

Hello all,

I am an American student who will soon begin Sciences Po's master en Droit économique. After the completion of this degree I was planning to go back to the U.S. and get a J.D., shooting for a T14 school, given that Sciences Po has excellent relations with many of them. My intention has always been to be able to work in the U.S., though I'd also like to work internationally for some time, namely in France and/or the Middle East.

I've recently realized, however, that I do not actually have to complete a J.D. depending on what type of law I want to practice, and where. That is, theoretically one can sit for the French bar after this master, and since one can, one could equally go back to the U.S. and get an LLM from an APA accredited law school and then sit for the NY or Cali bar exams.

The question I ask myself is (seeing all the gloomy responses to an LLM in addition to foreign diplomas), "what should I realistically expect?"

It just seems like when one goes the LLM route, one is more restricted. For example, I would love to specialize in IP, but then perhaps I'd be too restricted to stay in Cali.

I am not really sure what I should do... I less than a year to decide...

Hello all,

I am an American student who will soon begin Sciences Po's master en Droit économique. After the completion of this degree I was planning to go back to the U.S. and get a J.D., shooting for a T14 school, given that Sciences Po has excellent relations with many of them. My intention has always been to be able to work in the U.S., though I'd also like to work internationally for some time, namely in France and/or the Middle East.

I've recently realized, however, that I do not actually have to complete a J.D. depending on what type of law I want to practice, and where. That is, theoretically one can sit for the French bar after this master, and since one can, one could equally go back to the U.S. and get an LLM from an APA accredited law school and then sit for the NY or Cali bar exams.

The question I ask myself is (seeing all the gloomy responses to an LLM in addition to foreign diplomas), "what should I realistically expect?"

It just seems like when one goes the LLM route, one is more restricted. For example, I would love to specialize in IP, but then perhaps I'd be too restricted to stay in Cali.

I am not really sure what I should do... I less than a year to decide...
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Inactive User

Quick question...when one is saying hat the market is dead, are most simply referring those $100K+ salaried corporate legal jobs? I'm interested in the more 'high street' type jobs, for example in family law matters, and are THESE ones 'limited' or placed under the umbrella of 'dead' as well???

Quick question...when one is saying hat the market is dead, are most simply referring those $100K+ salaried corporate legal jobs? I'm interested in the more 'high street' type jobs, for example in family law matters, and are THESE ones 'limited' or placed under the umbrella of 'dead' as well???
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