KCL in England or AU in D.C


teddybear

Hello,

I'm really hesitating between King's college and American U for an LLM in international law.
AU is ranked 5th in the US for the international program and King's has a strong reputation too.
Please help!

Hello,

I'm really hesitating between King's college and American U for an LLM in international law.
AU is ranked 5th in the US for the international program and King's has a strong reputation too.
Please help!
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yasminm

My sense is that both are good, though on the assumption costs are not an issue, a more pertinent question to ask might be: where do you foresee working? I can imagine attempting to obtain work related to international law might require working the scene and if that's London, it may not be of much utility to pursue an LLM in AU (and, no doubt, vice versa).

My sense is that both are good, though on the assumption costs are not an issue, a more pertinent question to ask might be: where do you foresee working? I can imagine attempting to obtain work related to international law might require working the scene and if that's London, it may not be of much utility to pursue an LLM in AU (and, no doubt, vice versa).
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teddybear

I want to work in a law firm in the US or in France focusing on inter. law

I want to work in a law firm in the US or in France focusing on inter. law
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yasminm

Not too sure of the link between France and UK but if US is where you foresee being, then AU sounds like a sensible choice. Although even then, the market in the US is fairly depressed at the moment so you should keep that in mind when making the choice. International law also is very often not the bread and butter of firms, so you might want to take that into account in your decision making process.

Not too sure of the link between France and UK but if US is where you foresee being, then AU sounds like a sensible choice. Although even then, the market in the US is fairly depressed at the moment so you should keep that in mind when making the choice. International law also is very often not the bread and butter of firms, so you might want to take that into account in your decision making process.
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petra79

Definitely AU. No doubt about that!!

Definitely AU. No doubt about that!!
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koala

Hi, I got a master at KCL a few years ago and I am now going for a US LLM. The choice should depend upon what you want from your LLM. KCL is a good program and has a strong reputation in Europe and Asia. It can definitely give you an edge if you have a purely French education. The cost is also lower than a US LLM even if London is a very expensive place to live.
However, a LLM in England will not allow you to take a US bar exam like a US LLM. And if you are qualified in France or in another EU country, you can take the QLTT directly in England without needing a LLM (even if it can help to get acquainted with English law in the LLM...). But if your goal is to go back to France, KCL seems to be a better bet.
KCL is strong in certain subjects such as corporate-finance and European Community law but I would say that certain US programs have a better reputation in international law (NYU, Columbia).
If you want to work in London, my conviction is that a US LLM will not help you. However, if you intend to work in the US one day (regardless of visa or pending economic climate), a US LLM would probably be better. To work in France I think that both programs from KCL or AU would be a good choice.
I would think that KCL is a better bet that a second rated US law school but if we are talking HLS, NYU or CLS, then a US LLM would make better sense. I just know AU by reputation and it is indeed considered to be a top US LLM...So choice is yours but there is also the cultural element. Are you more attracted to the UK or to the US?

Hi, I got a master at KCL a few years ago and I am now going for a US LLM. The choice should depend upon what you want from your LLM. KCL is a good program and has a strong reputation in Europe and Asia. It can definitely give you an edge if you have a purely French education. The cost is also lower than a US LLM even if London is a very expensive place to live.
However, a LLM in England will not allow you to take a US bar exam like a US LLM. And if you are qualified in France or in another EU country, you can take the QLTT directly in England without needing a LLM (even if it can help to get acquainted with English law in the LLM...). But if your goal is to go back to France, KCL seems to be a better bet.
KCL is strong in certain subjects such as corporate-finance and European Community law but I would say that certain US programs have a better reputation in international law (NYU, Columbia).
If you want to work in London, my conviction is that a US LLM will not help you. However, if you intend to work in the US one day (regardless of visa or pending economic climate), a US LLM would probably be better. To work in France I think that both programs from KCL or AU would be a good choice.
I would think that KCL is a better bet that a second rated US law school but if we are talking HLS, NYU or CLS, then a US LLM would make better sense. I just know AU by reputation and it is indeed considered to be a top US LLM...So choice is yours but there is also the cultural element. Are you more attracted to the UK or to the US?
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Santa

A US LLM will get you a lot more easily into US law firms and as easily in UK firms as a UK LLM.

This is one of the reasons for me to choose for a US LLM. But I'm going for corporate matters, very different than international.

A US LLM will get you a lot more easily into US law firms and as easily in UK firms as a UK LLM.

This is one of the reasons for me to choose for a US LLM. But I'm going for corporate matters, very different than international.
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nicemanin

Santa,
I have observed from the previous posts that a foreign law student have a less chance to get into UK law firms with a US LLM ( for this i am not sure) ..

Will you put some light on the statement "A US LLM will get you a lot more easily into US law firms and as easily in UK firms as a UK LLM"

Santa,
I have observed from the previous posts that a foreign law student have a less chance to get into UK law firms with a US LLM ( for this i am not sure) ..

Will you put some light on the statement "A US LLM will get you a lot more easily into US law firms and as easily in UK firms as a UK LLM"
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Santa

Santa,
I have observed from the previous posts that a foreign law student have a less chance to get into UK law firms with a US LLM ( for this i am not sure) ..

Will you put some light on the statement "A US LLM will get you a lot more easily into US law firms and as easily in UK firms as a UK LLM"

One thing is certain, US firms give a huuuuge preference to possible trainees with an LLM from a US top school.

On the other hand, even UK law firms in my country (Belgium) seem to take preference in people with a US degree. Probably because of the many relationships of these companies with the US. It also shows you've done just a little more than just go over to London (which is two hours by HVT) or get to know the US. Moreover LLM degrees in the US tend to be a lot more practical than the theoretical UK degrees.
The difference is not that big and I think you have a very good chance in UK firms also with a UK degree, but the US degree gives an edge.
To give an example, the magic circle firm I worked in in Brussels had in its corporate department about 12 people with US LLM and one with an Oxford M.Jur.

<blockquote>Santa,
I have observed from the previous posts that a foreign law student have a less chance to get into UK law firms with a US LLM ( for this i am not sure) ..

Will you put some light on the statement "A US LLM will get you a lot more easily into US law firms and as easily in UK firms as a UK LLM"</blockquote>
One thing is certain, US firms give a huuuuge preference to possible trainees with an LLM from a US top school.

On the other hand, even UK law firms in my country (Belgium) seem to take preference in people with a US degree. Probably because of the many relationships of these companies with the US. It also shows you've done just a little more than just go over to London (which is two hours by HVT) or get to know the US. Moreover LLM degrees in the US tend to be a lot more practical than the theoretical UK degrees.
The difference is not that big and I think you have a very good chance in UK firms also with a UK degree, but the US degree gives an edge.
To give an example, the magic circle firm I worked in in Brussels had in its corporate department about 12 people with US LLM and one with an Oxford M.Jur.
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koala

To be quite honnest and to react to Santa's post I do not think that there is a huge difference between UK and US LLMs if you want to go back home in Europe...Both can be very useful degrees and as long as the university you attended has a good reputation and that you speak English that's what matters...
I am speaking of Oxford, Cambridge, University of London colleges (KCL, UCL, LSE, etc.) and top US law schools. After it all depends on opportunities, finance and what you want to do with your LL.M.

To be quite honnest and to react to Santa's post I do not think that there is a huge difference between UK and US LLMs if you want to go back home in Europe...Both can be very useful degrees and as long as the university you attended has a good reputation and that you speak English that's what matters...
I am speaking of Oxford, Cambridge, University of London colleges (KCL, UCL, LSE, etc.) and top US law schools. After it all depends on opportunities, finance and what you want to do with your LL.M.
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Santa

I know that to get into US firms (f.e. Jones Day, Cleary) you'd better have a US LLM or you start the interviews way behind people who have one :)

For the other countries or other firms I can't tell.

I know that to get into US firms (f.e. Jones Day, Cleary) you'd better have a US LLM or you start the interviews way behind people who have one :)

For the other countries or other firms I can't tell.
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teddybear

Thank you guys for all your answers.
I will probably go to D.C for two reasons:
-the very strong International Legal Studies Program in AU, ranked 5th in the US
-I obtained a 25,000$ scholarship at AU

Thank you guys for all your answers.
I will probably go to D.C for two reasons:
-the very strong International Legal Studies Program in AU, ranked 5th in the US
-I obtained a 25,000$ scholarship at AU
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koala

Probably the best choice then. Good luck!

Probably the best choice then. Good luck!
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