Indians Applying for LL.M


GodBless

Hey! I have enrolled at UPenn too! :)
when will you be arriving in Philly?

Hey! I have enrolled at UPenn too! :)
when will you be arriving in Philly?
quote
AnujAg

Thats great :) hopefully a couple of days before the orientation on the 26th.

Thats great :) hopefully a couple of days before the orientation on the 26th.
quote
radhika87

guys those of you who are going its advisable not to take a loan there are hardly any jobs at all. I didn't find anything and had to come back which is ok but if you take a loan its hard to repay it on an Indian salary.

From last years batch of Indians from columbia not a single one got a job

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/vwxMkpnOt5UF28WE5QYNpM/Opportunities-sparse-for-US-LLM-degree-holders.html

Please think very carefully before taking a loan

guys those of you who are going its advisable not to take a loan there are hardly any jobs at all. I didn't find anything and had to come back which is ok but if you take a loan its hard to repay it on an Indian salary.

From last years batch of Indians from columbia not a single one got a job

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/vwxMkpnOt5UF28WE5QYNpM/Opportunities-sparse-for-US-LLM-degree-holders.html

Please think very carefully before taking a loan
quote
LLMing

anyone going to UCLA for LLM, or anyone wait listed?

anyone going to UCLA for LLM, or anyone wait listed?
quote
chandan

Hi Shivani, I am planning for Masters in Law in USA. I have requisite work experience too . Is there any way you can help me with some info on LLM courses in USA (cost effective). I haven't started applying yet. I am taking IELTS classes. Please advice.

Hi Shivani, I am planning for Masters in Law in USA. I have requisite work experience too . Is there any way you can help me with some info on LLM courses in USA (cost effective). I haven't started applying yet. I am taking IELTS classes. Please advice.
quote

http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4798&context=flr

Fellow Indians, For those of you considering to do a LLM abroad, please read this article first and make a well-thought decision considering the domestic markets in India.

http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4798&context=flr

Fellow Indians, For those of you considering to do a LLM abroad, please read this article first and make a well-thought decision considering the domestic markets in India.

quote
revathii

Godbless, Avdhesh, Shivani or anyone who went to a top 20 university were you able to find a fairly decent paying job?

Help us out please, need to know what the current job prospects are before making a big decision considering the costs are quite high

Godbless, Avdhesh, Shivani or anyone who went to a top 20 university were you able to find a fairly decent paying job?

Help us out please, need to know what the current job prospects are before making a big decision considering the costs are quite high
quote
Jitana

I am currently in my final semester at GW Law.

To be honest, jobs are bleak. If you are coming to the US seeking to finish the LLM and break into the job market, your chances are VERY slim.

Out of the graduates last year (about 100 I think), 3 have secured a job in the DC area. I know one man who is still looking (he has been searching for 10 months now).

Sooooo, the LLM is wonderful if you have a job to go *back* to or, if you plan to transition to the SJD program but not otherwise.

~Jitana

I am currently in my final semester at GW Law.

To be honest, jobs are bleak. If you are coming to the US seeking to finish the LLM and break into the job market, your chances are VERY slim.

Out of the graduates last year (about 100 I think), 3 have secured a job in the DC area. I know one man who is still looking (he has been searching for 10 months now).

Sooooo, the LLM is wonderful if you have a job to go *back* to or, if you plan to transition to the SJD program but not otherwise.

~Jitana
quote
revathii

I am currently in my final semester at GW Law.

To be honest, jobs are bleak. If you are coming to the US seeking to finish the LLM and break into the job market, your chances are VERY slim.

Out of the graduates last year (about 100 I think), 3 have secured a job in the DC area. I know one man who is still looking (he has been searching for 10 months now).

Sooooo, the LLM is wonderful if you have a job to go *back* to or, if you plan to transition to the SJD program but not otherwise.

~Jitana


Thanks sooooooo much Jitana ...... its always great to hear someone's opinion who's actually on the ground like yourself.

Thanks also to Herman2013 and radhika for their posts ....thks so much guys

Jitana what about say UCLA , Yale, Upenn, etc .. are job prospects their any better or is it about the same ....

I checked out UK and even for Cambridge/Oxford job prospects are next to zero not only because of the recession but also because of the new 4 month post study work rules.

Thanks again Jitana .....

<blockquote>I am currently in my final semester at GW Law.

To be honest, jobs are bleak. If you are coming to the US seeking to finish the LLM and break into the job market, your chances are VERY slim.

Out of the graduates last year (about 100 I think), 3 have secured a job in the DC area. I know one man who is still looking (he has been searching for 10 months now).

Sooooo, the LLM is wonderful if you have a job to go *back* to or, if you plan to transition to the SJD program but not otherwise.

~Jitana</blockquote>

Thanks sooooooo much Jitana ...... its always great to hear someone's opinion who's actually on the ground like yourself.

Thanks also to Herman2013 and radhika for their posts ....thks so much guys

Jitana what about say UCLA , Yale, Upenn, etc .. are job prospects their any better or is it about the same ....

I checked out UK and even for Cambridge/Oxford job prospects are next to zero not only because of the recession but also because of the new 4 month post study work rules.

Thanks again Jitana .....
quote
Jitana

Hi again!

Mea culpa. Massive loads of schoolwork - late response.

UCLA, Yale and Upenn --- I cannot speak for those schools because I don't know much about them. I do have to say this. The schools do NOT publish their LLM job stats. Weird? No. There is a reason for that. Think about it. If you really want to work in the States, it's time to re-link with all of your connections that you already have here. Getting a job here is all about networking and marketing yourself. Graduating first in your class I am sure wouldn't hurt your chances either.

The truth is that most companies wouldn't bother someone with potential extra issues (VISA/OPT etc) when there is no shortage of people to hire here without those kinks. UNLESS of course you bring something absolutely unique to the table -- and we're not just talking about language skills but PhDs in physics and engineering degrees.

Here is a bit of happy news though. I was always a good student but during my stint here at GW, I have learnt MORE about the law than I did my entire LLB.

~Jitana

Hi again!

Mea culpa. Massive loads of schoolwork - late response.

UCLA, Yale and Upenn --- I cannot speak for those schools because I don't know much about them. I do have to say this. The schools do NOT publish their LLM job stats. Weird? No. There is a reason for that. Think about it. If you really want to work in the States, it's time to re-link with all of your connections that you already have here. Getting a job here is all about networking and marketing yourself. Graduating first in your class I am sure wouldn't hurt your chances either.

The truth is that most companies wouldn't bother someone with potential extra issues (VISA/OPT etc) when there is no shortage of people to hire here without those kinks. UNLESS of course you bring something absolutely unique to the table -- and we're not just talking about language skills but PhDs in physics and engineering degrees.

Here is a bit of happy news though. I was always a good student but during my stint here at GW, I have learnt MORE about the law than I did my entire LLB.

~Jitana
quote
AnujAg

Hello all ! I am an LLM student at Penn Law, currently in the final semester.
I completely agree with Jitana. The job prospects are extremely weak, be it Harvard, Columbia or Upenn. For anyone of you hoping to secure a job post LLM, there are a list of factors you may should consider
For transactional lawyers, If you work at a large law firm, it 'may' help if your partners know people at the helm of the American law firms and are willing to endorse you and give a strong recommendation. Since foreign law firms are not allowed to set up offices in India, no one is interested to hire Indian students.
For litigation lawyers the chances are extremely slim. You will compete with American students anyway, and no one wants to hire foreign graduates who have very little knowledge of the American legal system.

If you're good enough, you may at most get opportunities for internships in small-mid size local law firms. Forget the big players in Nyc et al.

You will also get a lot of opportunities to network and build contacts, which is, unfortunately, the most you will take away from your masters experience.

As far as education is concerned, and I concur with Jitana, you will definitely come back with a broader perspective and understanding of law.

Hope this helps, I am happy to answer any questions that follow :)

Hello all ! I am an LLM student at Penn Law, currently in the final semester.
I completely agree with Jitana. The job prospects are extremely weak, be it Harvard, Columbia or Upenn. For anyone of you hoping to secure a job post LLM, there are a list of factors you may should consider
For transactional lawyers, If you work at a large law firm, it 'may' help if your partners know people at the helm of the American law firms and are willing to endorse you and give a strong recommendation. Since foreign law firms are not allowed to set up offices in India, no one is interested to hire Indian students.
For litigation lawyers the chances are extremely slim. You will compete with American students anyway, and no one wants to hire foreign graduates who have very little knowledge of the American legal system.

If you're good enough, you may at most get opportunities for internships in small-mid size local law firms. Forget the big players in Nyc et al.

You will also get a lot of opportunities to network and build contacts, which is, unfortunately, the most you will take away from your masters experience.

As far as education is concerned, and I concur with Jitana, you will definitely come back with a broader perspective and understanding of law.

Hope this helps, I am happy to answer any questions that follow :)

quote

Have to choose between NYU and Cambridge. As someone who's more exposed to the opportunities in USA - both during the course of the LLM (research assistantship, internships during the break, OPT), can it be said to be better vis-a-vis UK?

Have to choose between NYU and Cambridge. As someone who's more exposed to the opportunities in USA - both during the course of the LLM (research assistantship, internships during the break, OPT), can it be said to be better vis-a-vis UK?
quote
qwertyu

Have to choose between NYU and Cambridge. As someone who's more exposed to the opportunities in USA - both during the course of the LLM (research assistantship, internships during the break, OPT), can it be said to be better vis-a-vis UK?


I am in a similar boat. I am choosing Cambridge solely for its reputation since I intend to come back to India and practice at the bar. Employability I'll have my two cents on NYU. UK scenario seems pretty grim at the moment as far as employability is concerned. Again, this is very personal and I might be absolutely wrong.

<blockquote>Have to choose between NYU and Cambridge. As someone who's more exposed to the opportunities in USA - both during the course of the LLM (research assistantship, internships during the break, OPT), can it be said to be better vis-a-vis UK?</blockquote>

I am in a similar boat. I am choosing Cambridge solely for its reputation since I intend to come back to India and practice at the bar. Employability I'll have my two cents on NYU. UK scenario seems pretty grim at the moment as far as employability is concerned. Again, this is very personal and I might be absolutely wrong.
quote
Taxlord

Hey everyone! I'm an indian American JD and will be pursuing a tax llm at nyu. If any of you have questions or something I can help with, please don't hesitate to ask.

Hey everyone! I'm an indian American JD and will be pursuing a tax llm at nyu. If any of you have questions or something I can help with, please don't hesitate to ask.
quote

Hiii Friends
Thank you for your reviews and comments

I am law graduate from IP and started my own Law Firm in Delhi,

I have decided for LLM in United States and I want to settle there only. While doing research on Internet I get to know many facts about LLM course. I have some issues, please do reply positively
1.Out of Accelerated JD or LLM , which on is better for practice and settle in United states?
> Accelerated JD & LLM both are of 2 years duration but I have already did my LLB after graduation investing 6 years
2.If any one suggest job prospects in Canada in comparison of United states?
3. Which specialization should I choose for better Job prospects?
4.Any tips from seniors

Best Regards

Kul parashar
kparashar1@gmail.com

Hiii Friends
Thank you for your reviews and comments

I am law graduate from IP and started my own Law Firm in Delhi,

I have decided for LLM in United States and I want to settle there only. While doing research on Internet I get to know many facts about LLM course. I have some issues, please do reply positively
1.Out of Accelerated JD or LLM , which on is better for practice and settle in United states?
> Accelerated JD & LLM both are of 2 years duration but I have already did my LLB after graduation investing 6 years
2.If any one suggest job prospects in Canada in comparison of United states?
3. Which specialization should I choose for better Job prospects?
4.Any tips from seniors

Best Regards

Kul parashar
kparashar1@gmail.com
quote

Hi Guys,

Any update on the employment prospects?

Is there any improvement, I'm contemplating getting an llm in the US but only if I can get a job in the US to pay of student loans, or else I'll be forced to return to India with a US education which isn't really required here and with a large loans to repay which will be impossible on an Indian salary

Need guidance please.


Hi Guys,

Any update on the employment prospects?

Is there any improvement, I'm contemplating getting an llm in the US but only if I can get a job in the US to pay of student loans, or else I'll be forced to return to India with a US education which isn't really required here and with a large loans to repay which will be impossible on an Indian salary

Need guidance please.
quote
Kats_K

Hi all! Can anybody who is done with his/her course give us some info about the career prospects, challenges that recent LLM grads face? Further, any info regarding the prospects of human rights LLM would be welcome. Thanks!

Hi all! Can anybody who is done with his/her course give us some info about the career prospects, challenges that recent LLM grads face? Further, any info regarding the prospects of human rights LLM would be welcome. Thanks!
quote
olivers


Hi Guys,

Any update on the employment prospects?

Is there any improvement, I'm contemplating getting an llm in the US but only if I can get a job in the US to pay of student loans, or else I'll be forced to return to India with a US education which isn't really required here and with a large loans to repay which will be impossible on an Indian salary

Need guidance please.


Unofficial unemployment rate for JD's is 36% including underemployment and unemployment. Official unemployment rate is 11.x %. Unemployment during the 1929 great recession was 10.2%. All of these are figures from 2014. Some of the very best law schools in the country have opened the flood gates to every applicant, who is not a total failure, as opposed to being very selective. It will be interesting to see, how the old alumni will react, when they see that there are two dozen and twenty new alumni this year, when there were five or six in the previous years.

As far as LLM employment statistics goes, a lot of LLMs are unemployed in the us, or is largely unemployable, if they passed out in 2014 or later. *99%. They just pack up their bags and leave.

<blockquote>
Hi Guys,

Any update on the employment prospects?

Is there any improvement, I'm contemplating getting an llm in the US but only if I can get a job in the US to pay of student loans, or else I'll be forced to return to India with a US education which isn't really required here and with a large loans to repay which will be impossible on an Indian salary

Need guidance please.</blockquote>

Unofficial unemployment rate for JD's is 36% including underemployment and unemployment. Official unemployment rate is 11.x %. Unemployment during the 1929 great recession was 10.2%. All of these are figures from 2014. Some of the very best law schools in the country have opened the flood gates to every applicant, who is not a total failure, as opposed to being very selective. It will be interesting to see, how the old alumni will react, when they see that there are two dozen and twenty new alumni this year, when there were five or six in the previous years.

As far as LLM employment statistics goes, a lot of LLMs are unemployed in the us, or is largely unemployable, if they passed out in 2014 or later. *99%. They just pack up their bags and leave.
quote
Vashi

How about the scope of LLM in Intellectual Property from USA ??

How about the scope of LLM in Intellectual Property from USA ??
quote
olivers

How about the scope of LLM in Intellectual Property from USA ??

The job market is the same unless you are from Korea, China or Taiwan and can bring in business from these countries. It's again at small law firms, which thrive on these cross country filings. You also should be an engineer/technologist with the requisite skills. Phd for biotechnology/chemical and graduates for other areas. LL.M holders are not usually hired for litigation - why will they when they can choose from former law clerks without jobs for a song.

One or two, candidates from some of the best schools survive, in the US, with permanent jobs. Usually it will be the Brazilians from the batch. The rest go back. An LL.M., expecting a job in the U.S. is a not a good stratergy.

Even, going back home, will be a problem soon with a bunch of people having a top llm degree tag. LLM degrees are literally on sale to anyone who will pay. They will become worthless shortly.

The law schools sold useless JD's first. Now it's all LLM degrees on sale. Disgusting reality. The number of graduate JD's every year is two times the market demand. So, LLM holders will get slaughtered. Sad, but true.

<blockquote>How about the scope of LLM in Intellectual Property from USA ??</blockquote>
The job market is the same unless you are from Korea, China or Taiwan and can bring in business from these countries. It's again at small law firms, which thrive on these cross country filings. You also should be an engineer/technologist with the requisite skills. Phd for biotechnology/chemical and graduates for other areas. LL.M holders are not usually hired for litigation - why will they when they can choose from former law clerks without jobs for a song.

One or two, candidates from some of the best schools survive, in the US, with permanent jobs. Usually it will be the Brazilians from the batch. The rest go back. An LL.M., expecting a job in the U.S. is a not a good stratergy.

Even, going back home, will be a problem soon with a bunch of people having a top llm degree tag. LLM degrees are literally on sale to anyone who will pay. They will become worthless shortly.

The law schools sold useless JD's first. Now it's all LLM degrees on sale. Disgusting reality. The number of graduate JD's every year is two times the market demand. So, LLM holders will get slaughtered. Sad, but true.

quote

Reply to Post