Columbia vs UCLA


HI Corpusiuris,

I wrote you a big post but then deleted all as it was repetition of old posts of wise people about CLS. So, here are simple explanations (why CLS is better)

What do you prefer to play (and win) UEFA Cup or UEFA Champions League?

or if you don't like football

... prefer Lexus IS F or BMW M3 (ok, ok for fans of MB, AMG C63)??????

HI Corpusiuris,

I wrote you a big post but then deleted all as it was repetition of old posts of wise people about CLS. So, here are simple explanations (why CLS is better)

What do you prefer to play (and win) UEFA Cup or UEFA Champions League?

or if you don't like football

... prefer Lexus IS F or BMW M3 (ok, ok for fans of MB, AMG C63)??????
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Many possible reasons:
Rankings won't make your LL.M. experience any better;
Probably the lower ranked university has better specializations or more interesting courses;
Tuition waiver;
Some people (as me) prefer California for the good weather and the beautiful nature ...;
Rankings won't be that important when looking for a job (go to the website of law firms you are interested in - you will see that they have attorneys from many different law schools - and generally they all get the same salary);
New York is extremely expensive (I prefer to pay around USD 700 for a room in a beautiful apartment probably with garden and barbecue than USD 1.800 for a tiny room);
Probably people might prefer to study with people that are less ranking-orientated but rather try to do what they are interested in.

Many possible reasons:
Rankings won't make your LL.M. experience any better;
Probably the lower ranked university has better specializations or more interesting courses;
Tuition waiver;
Some people (as me) prefer California for the good weather and the beautiful nature ...;
Rankings won't be that important when looking for a job (go to the website of law firms you are interested in - you will see that they have attorneys from many different law schools - and generally they all get the same salary);
New York is extremely expensive (I prefer to pay around USD 700 for a room in a beautiful apartment probably with garden and barbecue than USD 1.800 for a tiny room);
Probably people might prefer to study with people that are less ranking-orientated but rather try to do what they are interested in.
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Hi folks,

thank you so much for your valuable comments. I have made up my mind and chose Columbia.

I considered Hanna.Vienna's arguments (independent of her last post) which I think are all viable and I might/would have decided differently if I had applied to Berkeley (missed the deadline) or if UCLA had granted a higher tuition waiver.

I want to have an intellectually stimulating, yet practical experience. I reckon that Columbia's no. 4 ranking will attract an even higher number of extremely interesting fellow students than UCLA.

Additionally, CLS offers a number of highly interesting courses for a corporate lawyer and the location in NY obivously encourages biglaw attorneys to contribute to the curriculum.

Lastly, I recognise that the US News ranking of the attended university will not influence my job prospects in my home country. Still, the aura of Ivy League/Top five universities is respected as a certain distinction.

So this is it, for me. Hope this post helps other people in similar positions to make up their mind, too.

corpusiuris

Hi folks,

thank you so much for your valuable comments. I have made up my mind and chose Columbia.

I considered Hanna.Vienna's arguments (independent of her last post) which I think are all viable and I might/would have decided differently if I had applied to Berkeley (missed the deadline) or if UCLA had granted a higher tuition waiver.

I want to have an intellectually stimulating, yet practical experience. I reckon that Columbia's no. 4 ranking will attract an even higher number of extremely interesting fellow students than UCLA.

Additionally, CLS offers a number of highly interesting courses for a corporate lawyer and the location in NY obivously encourages biglaw attorneys to contribute to the curriculum.

Lastly, I recognise that the US News ranking of the attended university will not influence my job prospects in my home country. Still, the aura of Ivy League/Top five universities is respected as a certain distinction.

So this is it, for me. Hope this post helps other people in similar positions to make up their mind, too.

corpusiuris
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wolla

Hi folks,

thank you so much for your valuable comments. I have made up my mind and chose Columbia.

I considered Hanna.Vienna's arguments (independent of her last post) which I think are all viable and I might/would have decided differently if I had applied to Berkeley (missed the deadline) or if UCLA had granted a higher tuition waiver.

I want to have an intellectually stimulating, yet practical experience. I reckon that Columbia's no. 4 ranking will attract an even higher number of extremely interesting fellow students than UCLA.

Additionally, CLS offers a number of highly interesting courses for a corporate lawyer and the location in NY obivously encourages biglaw attorneys to contribute to the curriculum.

Lastly, I recognise that the US News ranking of the attended university will not influence my job prospects in my home country. Still, the aura of Ivy League/Top five universities is respected as a certain distinction.

So this is it, for me. Hope this post helps other people in similar positions to make up their mind, too.

corpusiuris


Congrats! Looking forward to see you in NYC this fall :)

<blockquote>Hi folks,

thank you so much for your valuable comments. I have made up my mind and chose Columbia.

I considered Hanna.Vienna's arguments (independent of her last post) which I think are all viable and I might/would have decided differently if I had applied to Berkeley (missed the deadline) or if UCLA had granted a higher tuition waiver.

I want to have an intellectually stimulating, yet practical experience. I reckon that Columbia's no. 4 ranking will attract an even higher number of extremely interesting fellow students than UCLA.

Additionally, CLS offers a number of highly interesting courses for a corporate lawyer and the location in NY obivously encourages biglaw attorneys to contribute to the curriculum.

Lastly, I recognise that the US News ranking of the attended university will not influence my job prospects in my home country. Still, the aura of Ivy League/Top five universities is respected as a certain distinction.

So this is it, for me. Hope this post helps other people in similar positions to make up their mind, too.

corpusiuris</blockquote>

Congrats! Looking forward to see you in NYC this fall :)
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wolla

Many possible reasons:
Probably the lower ranked university has better specializations or more interesting courses;


Please explain how that is the case?


Probably people might prefer to study with people that are less ranking-orientated but rather try to do what they are interested in.


So people who attend a T5 school (or T14 school for that matter) are not "doing" what they are interested in!?

<blockquote>Many possible reasons:
Probably the lower ranked university has better specializations or more interesting courses;
</blockquote>

Please explain how that is the case?

<blockquote>
Probably people might prefer to study with people that are less ranking-orientated but rather try to do what they are interested in. </blockquote>

So people who attend a T5 school (or T14 school for that matter) are not "doing" what they are interested in!?
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Corpus,
Congratulation!!!!

Corpus,
Congratulation!!!!
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molodetz!

molodetz!
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Many possible reasons:
Probably the lower ranked university has better specializations or more interesting courses;


Please explain how that is the case?


Probably people might prefer to study with people that are less ranking-orientated but rather try to do what they are interested in.


So people who attend a T5 school (or T14 school for that matter) are not "doing" what they are interested in!?


1) UCLA is - generally - better than Berkeley for people who whish to specialize in corporate law or entertainment law;
Berkeley is generally better in IP than Harvard;
and so on and so on
I do not want to deny the relevance of rankings but this is just one factor (besides many others).

2) I wrote "probably" - of course, I did not mean that this is necessarily the case. However, there might be another atmosphere at a lower ranked university which some people might prefer. Sorry for being unclear. After reading my posting once again, I have to admit that it can be easily misinterpreted - sorry. I am sure that there are great and interesting students at Columbia, NYU, Harvard, Yale and that all these universities are great.

Finally, however, take me as an example: I preferred Berkeley over NYU and Columbia for many reasons (but this is a very personal decision and everybody should make up his or her mind)

@ corpusiuris: you will definitely have a great time in New York! :-)

<blockquote><blockquote>Many possible reasons:
Probably the lower ranked university has better specializations or more interesting courses;
</blockquote>

Please explain how that is the case?

<blockquote>
Probably people might prefer to study with people that are less ranking-orientated but rather try to do what they are interested in. </blockquote>

So people who attend a T5 school (or T14 school for that matter) are not "doing" what they are interested in!?</blockquote>

1) UCLA is - generally - better than Berkeley for people who whish to specialize in corporate law or entertainment law;
Berkeley is generally better in IP than Harvard;
and so on and so on
I do not want to deny the relevance of rankings – but this is just one factor (besides many others).

2) I wrote "probably" - of course, I did not mean that this is necessarily the case. However, there might be another atmosphere at a lower ranked university which some people might prefer. Sorry for being unclear. After reading my posting once again, I have to admit that it can be easily misinterpreted - sorry. I am sure that there are great and interesting students at Columbia, NYU, Harvard, Yale and that all these universities are great.

Finally, however, take me as an example: I preferred Berkeley over NYU and Columbia for many reasons (but this is a very personal decision and everybody should make up his or her mind)

@ corpusiuris: you will definitely have a great time in New York! :-)
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imjohn

Hey Corpusiuris
So finally columbia got the crown...where're you from? Have fun in nyc in fall.

Hey Corpusiuris
So finally columbia got the crown...where're you from? Have fun in nyc in fall.
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