Upper second class


fibsss

Anyone from Greece or anybody in general who knows if a 6,74/10 is an upper 2nd class???
I don't get this system of grading at all :)

Anyone from Greece or anybody in general who knows if a 6,74/10 is an upper 2nd class???
I don't get this system of grading at all :)
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wtlow

In UK an average of 60-69 is considered a 2i or an upper 2nd class. Hence, 6.74/10 should bring you well within that category.

In UK an average of 60-69 is considered a 2i or an upper 2nd class. Hence, 6.74/10 should bring you well within that category.
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cinca

I also do not get it. I have 7/10 and I think I am a not very good student. I applied only to programmes that require lower second class. I am now really confused, can I also apply if they require upper second class? Thanks

I also do not get it. I have 7/10 and I think I am a not very good student. I applied only to programmes that require lower second class. I am now really confused, can I also apply if they require upper second class? Thanks
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fibsss

I also do not get it. I have 7/10 and I think I am a not very good student. I applied only to programmes that require lower second class. I am now really confused, can I also apply if they require upper second class? Thanks

<blockquote>I also do not get it. I have 7/10 and I think I am a not very good student. I applied only to programmes that require lower second class. I am now really confused, can I also apply if they require upper second class? Thanks</blockquote>
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fibsss

where are u from?

where are u from?
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whats the upper second class equivalent to the American grading system? is it a 3.5 in a 4.0 scale?

whats the upper second class equivalent to the American grading system? is it a 3.5 in a 4.0 scale?
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cinca

I am from Slovenia. We have a 1-10 scale. But 6 is pass, 7 good, 8and 9 very good, 10 exellent. But as a LLB you can not get very good grades- University of Ljubljana is very tough.

I am from Slovenia. We have a 1-10 scale. But 6 is pass, 7 good, 8and 9 very good, 10 exellent. But as a LLB you can not get very good grades- University of Ljubljana is very tough.
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C.Miller

Check the following LLM-guide thread - I've posted up a description which could be of help to those posting here:

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/21851

Where are you thinking of studying, and what subjects?

Check the following LLM-guide thread - I've posted up a description which could be of help to those posting here:

http://www.llm-guide.com/board/21851

Where are you thinking of studying, and what subjects?


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lmwoods

One further point in addition to C Miller's explanation is that the marking in the UK is slightly skewed. Although the marking scale is based on percentages and therefore in theory marks can be awarded up to 100, in practice marks over 70% are very rare. I would suggest that 7/10 is not necessarily going to be equivalent to a first; that would depend on the marking scheme used in a particular university. Equally, although it is possible to suggest that 10% of students get first class degrees, this a is a rule of thumb only.

One further point in addition to C Miller's explanation is that the marking in the UK is slightly skewed. Although the marking scale is based on percentages and therefore in theory marks can be awarded up to 100, in practice marks over 70% are very rare. I would suggest that 7/10 is not necessarily going to be equivalent to a first; that would depend on the marking scheme used in a particular university. Equally, although it is possible to suggest that 10% of students get first class degrees, this a is a rule of thumb only.
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C.Miller

The joys of equivalency. There's an entire organisation set up to assist HEIs with understanding degrees from different countries. The University of Edinburgh uses NARIC's service to assist with this complicated area of student admissions http://www.naric.org.uk/index.asp?section=6.

Equally, although it is possible to suggest that 10% of students get first class degrees, this a is a rule of thumb only.


Further to lmwoods' point here, it is possible (though very unlikely) that 100% or 0% of all students in one year could receive a first class degree. This is because UK HEIs do not use bell curves to grade students, as happens in some other countries.

At postgraduate (LLM) level, the grading is more straightforward and generally shared amongst law schools internationally: you fail, you pass, or you pass with distinction!

The joys of equivalency. There's an entire organisation set up to assist HEIs with understanding degrees from different countries. The University of Edinburgh uses NARIC's service to assist with this complicated area of student admissions http://www.naric.org.uk/index.asp?section=6.

<blockquote> Equally, although it is possible to suggest that 10% of students get first class degrees, this a is a rule of thumb only. </blockquote>

Further to lmwoods' point here, it is possible (though very unlikely) that 100% or 0% of all students in one year could receive a first class degree. This is because UK HEIs do not use bell curves to grade students, as happens in some other countries.

At postgraduate (LLM) level, the grading is more straightforward and generally shared amongst law schools internationally: you fail, you pass, or you pass with distinction!
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rockstar

hi I am from india..i have a first class..that is 60% and above in india..where i stand in uk?

hi I am from india..i have a first class..that is 60% and above in india..where i stand in uk?
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C.Miller

Rockstar, it's really difficult to say for sure without full knowledge of your transcripts and the courses you took, so please ensure that you double check my following statement with the institutions you are applying to for an LL.M, so with the caveat sufficiently highlighted....

...... if you've completed three or four years of undergraduate study and averaged over 60% throughout all your assessments in at least the last year (ideally all years), you'd likely fall in to the "very good" category, so you could be broadly considered as a 2:1 equivalent.

Something else to add is that your degree must be from a "recognised" university. NARIC's list is one primary source for The University of Edinburgh to check, though there are other lists. If your institution is not on the list, then it's unlikely your application will be accepted. If you're unsure, then you should contact the institution you are applying to and ask.

(anyone interested in receiving an informal appraisal of their likely success in applying to the LL.M Innovation, Technology and the Law (distance learning) at The University of Edinburgh, School of Law can contact me, my contact details are online at www.law.ed.ac.uk/distancelearning/contactus.htm)

Rockstar, it's really difficult to say for sure without full knowledge of your transcripts and the courses you took, so please ensure that you double check my following statement with the institutions you are applying to for an LL.M, so with the caveat sufficiently highlighted....

...... if you've completed three or four years of undergraduate study and averaged over 60% throughout all your assessments in at least the last year (ideally all years), you'd likely fall in to the "very good" category, so you could be broadly considered as a 2:1 equivalent.

Something else to add is that your degree must be from a "recognised" university. NARIC's list is one primary source for The University of Edinburgh to check, though there are other lists. If your institution is not on the list, then it's unlikely your application will be accepted. If you're unsure, then you should contact the institution you are applying to and ask.

(anyone interested in receiving an informal appraisal of their likely success in applying to the LL.M Innovation, Technology and the Law (distance learning) at The University of Edinburgh, School of Law can contact me, my contact details are online at www.law.ed.ac.uk/distancelearning/contactus.htm)


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george k.

To those fom Greece 6.5-8.5=λίαν καλώς=very good
in u.k. terms 6.5-7.5 =lower second class two-two
7.5-8.5=upper second class two-one
so answering to the first who posed the question 6.74 is a lower second class two-two but do not get dissapointed although most u.k. universities require a two-one that is above 7.5 they are very lenient with this limit, I know of people that have been accepted in queen mary, london with 6.3 and if you talk to them in u.k. education fairs you will discover that their demands are just a show off and they are motivated more, like everyone in the west at least by commercial neccesities but caveat lector- there is the notable exception of Oxbridge- for entry there you must have for sure 8.0 to say the least, as far as law is concerned.Hope I have been useful.

To those fom Greece 6.5-8.5=λίαν καλώς=very good
in u.k. terms 6.5-7.5 =lower second class two-two
7.5-8.5=upper second class two-one
so answering to the first who posed the question 6.74 is a lower second class two-two but do not get dissapointed although most u.k. universities require a two-one that is above 7.5 they are very lenient with this limit, I know of people that have been accepted in queen mary, london with 6.3 and if you talk to them in u.k. education fairs you will discover that their demands are just a show off and they are motivated more, like everyone in the west at least by commercial neccesities but caveat lector- there is the notable exception of Oxbridge- for entry there you must have for sure 8.0 to say the least, as far as law is concerned.Hope I have been useful.
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fibsss

thanx very much george! i sent my applications to UCL, KIng's and Queen Mary, I am interested in environmental Law. Hope that my 6,74 is enough.... :(

thanx very much george! i sent my applications to UCL, KIng's and Queen Mary, I am interested in environmental Law. Hope that my 6,74 is enough.... :(
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lmwoods

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Equally, although it is possible to suggest that 10% of students get first class degrees, this a is a rule of thumb only.


Further to lmwoods' point here, it is possible (though very unlikely) that 100% or 0% of all students in one year could receive a first class degree. This is because UK HEIs do not use bell curves to grade students, as happens in some other countries.


Just to prove C Miller's point, when I did my undergraduate law degree (obviously back in the mists of time now), no one got a first - out of 120. It may be I went to a mean institution because nowhere near 10% of students were awarded firsts in either of the previous two years.

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<blockquote> Equally, although it is possible to suggest that 10% of students get first class degrees, this a is a rule of thumb only. </blockquote>

Further to lmwoods' point here, it is possible (though very unlikely) that 100% or 0% of all students in one year could receive a first class degree. This is because UK HEIs do not use bell curves to grade students, as happens in some other countries.


</blockquote>

Just to prove C Miller's point, when I did my undergraduate law degree (obviously back in the mists of time now), no one got a first - out of 120. It may be I went to a mean institution because nowhere near 10% of students were awarded firsts in either of the previous two years.
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