UCL/SOAS/LSE/Leiden...


Hi folks,
I am aware that the classes will start soon, but I am still confused...I am interested in Public International Law and Human Right s Law and I have been accepted at the LLM at UCL, SOAS, Sussex and Leiden (Advanced) and at the Master for Human Rights at LSE.
I know Leiden has a great reputation on the matter but I'm liveng in the Hague now and it's so depressing, I wanna live in London! That's a reason why I would also exclude Sussex and I didn't apply to Nottingham or Essex. Do you think it was a bad choice? Does it really matter that much when one is dealing with such universally known Universities? What about SOAS and UCL, are they good in those subjects? And what a bout an LLM compared to a MSc at LSE?
Any advice is more than welcome!
thaks
Hi folks,
I am aware that the classes will start soon, but I am still confused...I am interested in Public International Law and Human Right s Law and I have been accepted at the LLM at UCL, SOAS, Sussex and Leiden (Advanced) and at the Master for Human Rights at LSE.
I know Leiden has a great reputation on the matter but I'm liveng in the Hague now and it's so depressing, I wanna live in London! That's a reason why I would also exclude Sussex and I didn't apply to Nottingham or Essex. Do you think it was a bad choice? Does it really matter that much when one is dealing with such universally known Universities? What about SOAS and UCL, are they good in those subjects? And what a bout an LLM compared to a MSc at LSE?
Any advice is more than welcome!
thaks
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Pharrell
UCL is internationally acclaimed . Also try LSE
Good Luck !
UCL is internationally acclaimed . Also try LSE
Good Luck !
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Humber
I have the same "problem". I am in the Hague now ( I think it is a nice city, but I haven´t been here for that long), considering LSE vs. Leiden vs. graduate institute of int studies, geneva.

One well-informed insider here (in Leiden) told med that I should go to London, rather than be here. He mentioned scholars both at UCL, SOAS and LSE, so I guess he meant any of them.
I have the same "problem". I am in the Hague now ( I think it is a nice city, but I haven´t been here for that long), considering LSE vs. Leiden vs. graduate institute of int studies, geneva.

One well-informed insider here (in Leiden) told med that I should go to London, rather than be here. He mentioned scholars both at UCL, SOAS and LSE, so I guess he meant any of them.

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kris1984
What's so great about London? Did he say?
What's so great about London? Did he say?
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Humber
I guess he meant that the scholarship there is much more creative, much less traditional, e.g Gerry Simpson, Niko Krisch, Christine Chinkin, Susan Marks, Matt Craven, Malgosia Fitzmaurice. For me that is important. For others, maybe not. I guess you can "learn" just as much PIL in Leiden/the Hague (The latter is a city where, as when I had a glass of wine with a friend just now, the tables at both left and our right turned out to be young international lawyers, none of which we knew.)
I guess he meant that the scholarship there is much more creative, much less traditional, e.g Gerry Simpson, Niko Krisch, Christine Chinkin, Susan Marks, Matt Craven, Malgosia Fitzmaurice. For me that is important. For others, maybe not. I guess you can "learn" just as much PIL in Leiden/the Hague (The latter is a city where, as when I had a glass of wine with a friend just now, the tables at both left and our right turned out to be young international lawyers, none of which we knew.)
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kris1984
I personally like being in the middle of it all - finger on the pulse of international law practice. All these little university towns are boring - but AMS is only 40 minutes away...

London is probably more exciting, but I don't see how it can provide a "value added" element in terms of international law.

I was also under the impression that most UK uni's insist you be a resident of the UK for several years to be eligible for the "Home Fee". So, from a cost perspective, it is probably prohibitive for many Continental Europeans.
I personally like being in the middle of it all - finger on the pulse of international law practice. All these little university towns are boring - but AMS is only 40 minutes away...

London is probably more exciting, but I don't see how it can provide a "value added" element in terms of international law.

I was also under the impression that most UK uni's insist you be a resident of the UK for several years to be eligible for the "Home Fee". So, from a cost perspective, it is probably prohibitive for many Continental Europeans.
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Yellow
Just to reply to the last post regarding fees. The rules are something like if you are an EU resident (and citizen I think) who has lived in the EU for three years out of the five prior to applying you pay home fees. That may not be exactly right but basically if you are an EU citizen normally residing in the EU you pay EU fees.
As to the answer of London v Leiden I would say one thing to consider is that internationally (that is outside of Europe) the London colleges are more likely to be well known. I would probably focus on applying to LSE then UCL then either of the other two by reputation. LSE is however, home fees or not, seriously expensive.
Just to reply to the last post regarding fees. The rules are something like if you are an EU resident (and citizen I think) who has lived in the EU for three years out of the five prior to applying you pay home fees. That may not be exactly right but basically if you are an EU citizen normally residing in the EU you pay EU fees.
As to the answer of London v Leiden I would say one thing to consider is that internationally (that is outside of Europe) the London colleges are more likely to be well known. I would probably focus on applying to LSE then UCL then either of the other two by reputation. LSE is however, home fees or not, seriously expensive.
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For Humber:
I am in The Hague as well ;)
r u an intern? I am.
I don't know if I will be able to spend an entire year in a city/town like Leiden, which is smaller then The Hague..could you imagine something more boring?? That's why I would go to London and it pretty late so it's time to take a decision..
Can you tell me more about your chat with "the insider"? I hear good thing about SOAS, because it's a good school with a fresh and innovative approach to teaching, but then on this website is totally ignored, I m confused..
bye
For Humber:
I am in The Hague as well ;)
r u an intern? I am.
I don't know if I will be able to spend an entire year in a city/town like Leiden, which is smaller then The Hague..could you imagine something more boring?? That's why I would go to London and it pretty late so it's time to take a decision..
Can you tell me more about your chat with "the insider"? I hear good thing about SOAS, because it's a good school with a fresh and innovative approach to teaching, but then on this website is totally ignored, I m confused..
bye
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ozman
hi guys i recently received a state scholarship to do the LLM, however they want me to do the llm this year(i.e. oct 2007) but as i did not know tht i would be required to go so soon therefore i did not apply to any uni... i really wana goto ucl or kings... i know its almost sept and officially the admissions have closed down... but is there anyway tht i cud still get.. for eg if i call ucl or kings personally to explain my circumstances, because if i dont go this year the scholarship will lapse, so i really do wana go now or rather this is my only chance to do an LLM, any tips or help, i am desperate for a solution.
hi guys i recently received a state scholarship to do the LLM, however they want me to do the llm this year(i.e. oct 2007) but as i did not know tht i would be required to go so soon therefore i did not apply to any uni... i really wana goto ucl or kings... i know its almost sept and officially the admissions have closed down... but is there anyway tht i cud still get.. for eg if i call ucl or kings personally to explain my circumstances, because if i dont go this year the scholarship will lapse, so i really do wana go now or rather this is my only chance to do an LLM, any tips or help, i am desperate for a solution.
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jane.lin
hi guys i recently received a state scholarship to do the LLM, however they want me to do the llm this year(i.e. oct 2007) but as i did not know tht i would be required to go so soon therefore i did not apply to any uni... i really wana goto ucl or kings... i know its almost sept and officially the admissions have closed down... but is there anyway tht i cud still get.. for eg if i call ucl or kings personally to explain my circumstances, because if i dont go this year the scholarship will lapse, so i really do wana go now or rather this is my only chance to do an LLM, any tips or help, i am desperate for a solution.


I think you might still have some chance to get in UCL,the dealine for UK/EU applicants is September.But if you are't ,I still advice you contact them as quick as possiple,because the whole admission process is still going on,the admission commitee could evaluate your application with other applicants,It won't cause them too much extra trouble. They probablywill not turn down your application directly.
If I were you ,I would fight for this only chance!! Good Luck!!!!See you at UCL!
<blockquote>hi guys i recently received a state scholarship to do the LLM, however they want me to do the llm this year(i.e. oct 2007) but as i did not know tht i would be required to go so soon therefore i did not apply to any uni... i really wana goto ucl or kings... i know its almost sept and officially the admissions have closed down... but is there anyway tht i cud still get.. for eg if i call ucl or kings personally to explain my circumstances, because if i dont go this year the scholarship will lapse, so i really do wana go now or rather this is my only chance to do an LLM, any tips or help, i am desperate for a solution.</blockquote>

I think you might still have some chance to get in UCL,the dealine for UK/EU applicants is September.But if you are't ,I still advice you contact them as quick as possiple,because the whole admission process is still going on,the admission commitee could evaluate your application with other applicants,It won't cause them too much extra trouble. They probablywill not turn down your application directly.
If I were you ,I would fight for this only chance!! Good Luck!!!!See you at UCL!
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ozman
thank u so much jane for ur response, monday i guess is a bank holiday in the england, so the earliest i can get in touch is tuesday, do you think i shud send my application on monday even before i talk to them or do u think i shud talk to them and then send it, or rather shud i talk to them and ask if i can fax my documents, because if i send my application the normal way they might just ignore it or forget about it, i have only received 10 days from the scholarship people in order to make a decision, if ucl can provide me with something of an acceptance letter then it just might work, as i do believe tht i would literally need to call them daily in order to show how keen i am and how desperate the situation is. I would appreciate any other ideas or solutions that u might have.
thank u so much jane for ur response, monday i guess is a bank holiday in the england, so the earliest i can get in touch is tuesday, do you think i shud send my application on monday even before i talk to them or do u think i shud talk to them and then send it, or rather shud i talk to them and ask if i can fax my documents, because if i send my application the normal way they might just ignore it or forget about it, i have only received 10 days from the scholarship people in order to make a decision, if ucl can provide me with something of an acceptance letter then it just might work, as i do believe tht i would literally need to call them daily in order to show how keen i am and how desperate the situation is. I would appreciate any other ideas or solutions that u might have.
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jane.lin
Hi,ozman.My advice is you call them directly first( tell them it's a real emergecy,expalin the whole situation briefly and show your eager ...as you intended) and ask them what exactly you should do to get the offer and the acceptance letter.I think they would give you some idea,after all they are the ones who know how the admission process runs.Good luck!!
Hi,ozman.My advice is you call them directly first( tell them it's a real emergecy,expalin the whole situation briefly and show your eager ...as you intended) and ask them what exactly you should do to get the offer and the acceptance letter.I think they would give you some idea,after all they are the ones who know how the admission process runs.Good luck!!
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ozman
i did call ucl today, i spoke to professor birdge if anyone knows him then you would realise what a big loss this is, anyway it was his last day and he was a bit helpful, but the postgraduate office was not helpful at all, and the person whom i had emailed my degreez and application forms was not helping in the beginning but then later she understood my position i think. I dont know what will happen with this, and now i have also started pursuing warwick and soas, i feel this opportunity is slipping right from my hands.
i did call ucl today, i spoke to professor birdge if anyone knows him then you would realise what a big loss this is, anyway it was his last day and he was a bit helpful, but the postgraduate office was not helpful at all, and the person whom i had emailed my degreez and application forms was not helping in the beginning but then later she understood my position i think. I dont know what will happen with this, and now i have also started pursuing warwick and soas, i feel this opportunity is slipping right from my hands.
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For Humber:
I am in The Hague as well ;)
r u an intern? I am.
I don't know if I will be able to spend an entire year in a city/town like Leiden, which is smaller then The Hague..could you imagine something more boring?? That's why I would go to London and it pretty late so it's time to take a decision..
Can you tell me more about your chat with "the insider"? I hear good thing about SOAS, because it's a good school with a fresh and innovative approach to teaching, but then on this website is totally ignored, I m confused..
bye


havalina83,

I also hear great things about the SOAS law department. I think you should definately give that a try. LSE isn't fantastic for law and UCL is a bit eurocentric in my opinion haha.
<blockquote>For Humber:
I am in The Hague as well ;)
r u an intern? I am.
I don't know if I will be able to spend an entire year in a city/town like Leiden, which is smaller then The Hague..could you imagine something more boring?? That's why I would go to London and it pretty late so it's time to take a decision..
Can you tell me more about your chat with "the insider"? I hear good thing about SOAS, because it's a good school with a fresh and innovative approach to teaching, but then on this website is totally ignored, I m confused..
bye
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havalina83,

I also hear great things about the SOAS law department. I think you should definately give that a try. LSE isn't fantastic for law and UCL is a bit eurocentric in my opinion haha.
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mrindia
i did call ucl today, i spoke to professor birdge if anyone knows him then you would realise what a big loss this is, anyway it was his last day and he was a bit helpful, but the postgraduate office was not helpful at all, and the person whom i had emailed my degreez and application forms was not helping in the beginning but then later she understood my position i think. I dont know what will happen with this, and now i have also started pursuing warwick and soas, i feel this opportunity is slipping right from my hands.


Hi ozman, I feel really guilty. I have recieved an offer from UCL in january but i did not bother replying to them as i got an admission at LSE. They send me a reminder mail a few weeks back reminding me about this offer to which i haven't responded (my fault and guilty as accused). Please let me know if my refusal will have any bearing on your admission. I will send you my student reference and id on a seperate mail and you can quote that. Do let me know if I could be of some help.
<blockquote>i did call ucl today, i spoke to professor birdge if anyone knows him then you would realise what a big loss this is, anyway it was his last day and he was a bit helpful, but the postgraduate office was not helpful at all, and the person whom i had emailed my degreez and application forms was not helping in the beginning but then later she understood my position i think. I dont know what will happen with this, and now i have also started pursuing warwick and soas, i feel this opportunity is slipping right from my hands.</blockquote>

Hi ozman, I feel really guilty. I have recieved an offer from UCL in january but i did not bother replying to them as i got an admission at LSE. They send me a reminder mail a few weeks back reminding me about this offer to which i haven't responded (my fault and guilty as accused). Please let me know if my refusal will have any bearing on your admission. I will send you my student reference and id on a seperate mail and you can quote that. Do let me know if I could be of some help.
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rendition
hi ozman!
i have not come onto this site for a while and yes i may be of service

i have also rejected LSE but in favour of UCL

Do be quick as I suppose you do still have time. just PM me if you wish to go to LSE and in accordance with what mrindia has proposed, you can quote my app no. and email if need be.

PM me


best wishes
hi ozman!
i have not come onto this site for a while and yes i may be of service

i have also rejected LSE but in favour of UCL

Do be quick as I suppose you do still have time. just PM me if you wish to go to LSE and in accordance with what mrindia has proposed, you can quote my app no. and email if need be.

PM me


best wishes
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ozman
thank you guys... well i got rejected by ucl today.... and well there goes my FULLY FUNDED(tuition... living.... air travel) scholarship... do give me ur reference numbers so i can call and see if something can be done... my documents are with ucl but not with lse... so even if do apply to lse they wud probably ask me to send everything... but nonetheless please tell me what i can do... after today's rejection i have never been more down... well put urself in my position and u wud know how...
thank you guys... well i got rejected by ucl today.... and well there goes my FULLY FUNDED(tuition... living.... air travel) scholarship... do give me ur reference numbers so i can call and see if something can be done... my documents are with ucl but not with lse... so even if do apply to lse they wud probably ask me to send everything... but nonetheless please tell me what i can do... after today's rejection i have never been more down... well put urself in my position and u wud know how...
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ozman
my email is osman_mallik@yahoo.com
my email is osman_mallik@yahoo.com
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