QLTS while LLM London (2012-13)


Hi everyone.

I've received offers at KCL and LSE for 2012-13 enrolment.
As a foreign lawyer, I was considering to pursue the QLTS Test (former QLTT) during the period I will be studying in London for my LLM.

My queries are the following:

1) which is in your opinion the best period during which I could start following the preparation courses in order to sit QLTS examinations ( to combine the time dedicated to study for my LLM courses)?

2) is it really necessary and worthwile to follow the entire preparation course in class ?
Hi everyone.

I've received offers at KCL and LSE for 2012-13 enrolment.
As a foreign lawyer, I was considering to pursue the QLTS Test (former QLTT) during the period I will be studying in London for my LLM.

My queries are the following:

1) which is in your opinion the best period during which I could start following the preparation courses in order to sit QLTS examinations ( to combine the time dedicated to study for my LLM courses)?

2) is it really necessary and worthwile to follow the entire preparation course in class ?

I don't think you need to follow the entire preparation course using QLTS School or CLT. Frankly, if you come from a common law jurisdiction and you have dealt with English Law before, the MCT is not going to stumped you. You can just purchase the books and study in your own time.

You need to dedicate sufficient time to learning the materials. There are usually 11 books in total - following the outcomes laid down by the SRA. Some like Accounts and Professional Ethics can be hard if you have not practised law before. Others like Public Law, Criminal Litigation etc should be pretty straightforward.

The only worrying part is that the QLTS is marked on a Bell Curve system instead of the traditional First-Past-The-Post UK system. So you will be measured up against your peers for the exam that you sit for.

Btw, I am selling all my QLTS books (which I bought as part of the course package for £790) and some of the practice questions if you are interested in studying yourself.
I don't think you need to follow the entire preparation course using QLTS School or CLT. Frankly, if you come from a common law jurisdiction and you have dealt with English Law before, the MCT is not going to stumped you. You can just purchase the books and study in your own time.

You need to dedicate sufficient time to learning the materials. There are usually 11 books in total - following the outcomes laid down by the SRA. Some like Accounts and Professional Ethics can be hard if you have not practised law before. Others like Public Law, Criminal Litigation etc should be pretty straightforward.

The only worrying part is that the QLTS is marked on a Bell Curve system instead of the traditional First-Past-The-Post UK system. So you will be measured up against your peers for the exam that you sit for.

Btw, I am selling all my QLTS books (which I bought as part of the course package for £790) and some of the practice questions if you are interested in studying yourself.
Thanks dairus.
The workload is quite heavy..I come from a ci il law jurisdiction.
In your opinion how long could the preparation take you before sitting the exam? I mean, do you think it is feasible to combine qlts study with llm study?
Thanks dairus.
The workload is quite heavy..I come from a ci il law jurisdiction.
In your opinion how long could the preparation take you before sitting the exam? I mean, do you think it is feasible to combine qlts study with llm study?
I think it will be heavy for you to do your LLM along with the QLTS if you come for a civil law country. You have to familiarise yourself with areas of the common law and this does take time. I would say you would need full 2 to 3 months preparation - it is better to over-prepare than to have to sit for the exam again.

I come from a commonwealth jurisdiction where our rules of court etc were based on the English RSC and CCR (the predecessor to the CPR). So the time taken for me to study for the QLTS will be much less than if I were to be from a civil law country.

I think you should do the QLTS before you start your LLM or after your LLM programme has ended. Whatever you choose, just make sure you have a lot of time to prepare
I think it will be heavy for you to do your LLM along with the QLTS if you come for a civil law country. You have to familiarise yourself with areas of the common law and this does take time. I would say you would need full 2 to 3 months preparation - it is better to over-prepare than to have to sit for the exam again.

I come from a commonwealth jurisdiction where our rules of court etc were based on the English RSC and CCR (the predecessor to the CPR). So the time taken for me to study for the QLTS will be much less than if I were to be from a civil law country.

I think you should do the QLTS before you start your LLM or after your LLM programme has ended. Whatever you choose, just make sure you have a lot of time to prepare
Jman
Darius,
The SRA have told me I only have to do TLST and OSCE (and no MCT). But I know very little about the exams or how to go about studying for them.
I still have to to do Head 3 of the QLTT and I can study full time up to November exams.

From what I have seen, there are only 2 study institutions CLT and QLTS.co.uk. I want to have the security of studying with a college and not only by myself.

Is that correct and can I ask why you chose the latter please?

Is it feasible to study for both exams and to have a reasonable chance of success by November?

QLTS.co.uk website seems to say that the knowledge gained on MCT feeds into TLST and OSCE . Do you think that is so?

Any advice would be much appreciated.
Darius,
The SRA have told me I only have to do TLST and OSCE (and no MCT). But I know very little about the exams or how to go about studying for them.
I still have to to do Head 3 of the QLTT and I can study full time up to November exams.

From what I have seen, there are only 2 study institutions CLT and QLTS.co.uk. I want to have the security of studying with a college and not only by myself.

Is that correct and can I ask why you chose the latter please?

Is it feasible to study for both exams and to have a reasonable chance of success by November?

QLTS.co.uk website seems to say that the knowledge gained on MCT feeds into TLST and OSCE . Do you think that is so?

Any advice would be much appreciated.
I chose QLTS School because they provide you with all the materials and this makes flexible studying easier. CLT do not seem as focused on QLTS for students with full time jobs.

That said, if you want the college experience, you could try CLT. I am not sure of their quality since most people take QLTS School. I heard that there might be a third school offering the QLTS coaching online but this might not be set up in time for the next year or so at least.

I think that the knowledge gained from the MCT does feed into the TLST and OSCE. Thin about it - the latter two tests are about client interviewing and advising, and about conducting competent legal research on English Law. With the MCT subjects (and the subject guides) you will be able to run through the entire syllabus on what subject areas are tested and then have this in mind for the TLST and the OSCE. This is what I think at least.
I chose QLTS School because they provide you with all the materials and this makes flexible studying easier. CLT do not seem as focused on QLTS for students with full time jobs.

That said, if you want the college experience, you could try CLT. I am not sure of their quality since most people take QLTS School. I heard that there might be a third school offering the QLTS coaching online but this might not be set up in time for the next year or so at least.

I think that the knowledge gained from the MCT does feed into the TLST and OSCE. Thin about it - the latter two tests are about client interviewing and advising, and about conducting competent legal research on English Law. With the MCT subjects (and the subject guides) you will be able to run through the entire syllabus on what subject areas are tested and then have this in mind for the TLST and the OSCE. This is what I think at least.
Qlts International (.com) working with City Law School now offers an OSCE and TLST prep course for experienced attorneys who want to do this as self study and in an intensive fashion. The study guides include multiple sample OSCE scenarios and direction for all required documents on the TLST. They also offer a series of online lectures, online videos of sample OSCE exams and online training materials that work with the study guides.
Qlts International (.com) working with City Law School now offers an OSCE and TLST prep course for experienced attorneys who want to do this as self study and in an intensive fashion. The study guides include multiple sample OSCE scenarios and direction for all required documents on the TLST. They also offer a series of online lectures, online videos of sample OSCE exams and online training materials that work with the study guides.
Avanim
HI
HAVE YOU APPLIED FOR QLTS ?
HOWS IT ? BY WHAT PRICE U R SELLING YOUR BOOKS ?
AND PLEASE TELL ME FOR QLTS
ARE THEY ASKING FOR ANY MARKS BECAUSE I AM ALSO THINKING TO DO THAT ?
HI
HAVE YOU APPLIED FOR QLTS ?
HOWS IT ? BY WHAT PRICE U R SELLING YOUR BOOKS ?
AND PLEASE TELL ME FOR QLTS
ARE THEY ASKING FOR ANY MARKS BECAUSE I AM ALSO THINKING TO DO THAT ?
Jman
I want to start studying for QLTS ASAP but unsure about how to start preparing:
ie what books to get, which course to follow.
A recent outfit I've seen is http://qltsinternational.com/course.html . Has anyone had any expience with them?

Also, if you have any materials you want to share/sell pls let me know.
I want to start studying for QLTS ASAP but unsure about how to start preparing:
ie what books to get, which course to follow.
A recent outfit I've seen is http://qltsinternational.com/course.html . Has anyone had any expience with them?

Also, if you have any materials you want to share/sell pls let me know.
Avanim
QLTS SCHOOL ALSO PROVIDE ALL THE MATERIALS FOR STUDY AND I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL
QLTS SCHOOL ALSO PROVIDE ALL THE MATERIALS FOR STUDY AND I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL
Natabona
Hi happy_lawyer,

I just read your post re QLTS school and just wanted to find out if you are still with them or if you still thought they were rubbish. I was thinking of joining a prep school for the QLTS.

thanks
Hi happy_lawyer,

I just read your post re QLTS school and just wanted to find out if you are still with them or if you still thought they were rubbish. I was thinking of joining a prep school for the QLTS.

thanks
AlexPar
Have any of you studied by the QLTS MCT Questions Bank?
Have any of you studied by the QLTS MCT Questions Bank?

jcap
Has anyone got experience dealing with QLTS International? I did use the QLTS School first time round and they have been around for a while but I dont know anything about QLTS International and how well their students pass the exams. Anyone know about their course and how good it is for the OCSE and TLST?
Has anyone got experience dealing with QLTS International? I did use the QLTS School first time round and they have been around for a while but I dont know anything about QLTS International and how well their students pass the exams. Anyone know about their course and how good it is for the OCSE and TLST?
BarGirl
Hi there,

I signed up with QLTS International and to be honest I feel the materials are far and few between. There is no additional support beyond outline manuals and all the online material is literally 1 or 2 examples.

JCap - you said you used QLTS school first time round - does that mean you have already sat the OSCE and TLST? Or you just purchased the course prep material or did you just use QLTS for the MCT?

Also, I know nobody is allowed to discuss the actual Kaplan Exams, but I am just wondering about any feedback from those who sat the exams and passed - about tips for revision or approaches to study - is it necessary to know all the detailed substantive law for the core areas?
Hi there,

I signed up with QLTS International and to be honest I feel the materials are far and few between. There is no additional support beyond outline manuals and all the online material is literally 1 or 2 examples.

JCap - you said you used QLTS school first time round - does that mean you have already sat the OSCE and TLST? Or you just purchased the course prep material or did you just use QLTS for the MCT?

Also, I know nobody is allowed to discuss the actual Kaplan Exams, but I am just wondering about any feedback from those who sat the exams and passed - about tips for revision or approaches to study - is it necessary to know all the detailed substantive law for the core areas?
jcap
Thx for responding. I have sat MCT and passed that so I'm now looking for a course to sit the oSCE and TLST exams. I used QLTS SChool course to prepare for the MCT. The materials were good. But for the TLST and OsCE the QLTS school refers you to Oxford Uni Press published books for the substantive law - there are 6 books each of around 300 to 600 pages long!!! The school doesn't provide any summaries or outlines to guide you. Their only value is in the one to one mock tests they do with you on Skype. They also provide mock questions online.
I can't work out which way is best to go? Which course is best?
QLTs international appear to be based in the US and seem to provide the outlines on substantive law and a revision day at a Uni.
bar girl - did you pass oSCE and TLST on the QLtS international's materials?
Thx for responding. I have sat MCT and passed that so I'm now looking for a course to sit the oSCE and TLST exams. I used QLTS SChool course to prepare for the MCT. The materials were good. But for the TLST and OsCE the QLTS school refers you to Oxford Uni Press published books for the substantive law - there are 6 books each of around 300 to 600 pages long!!! The school doesn't provide any summaries or outlines to guide you. Their only value is in the one to one mock tests they do with you on Skype. They also provide mock questions online.
I can't work out which way is best to go? Which course is best?
QLTs international appear to be based in the US and seem to provide the outlines on substantive law and a revision day at a Uni.
bar girl - did you pass oSCE and TLST on the QLtS international's materials?
BarGirl
I am yet to sit the exams in 7 weeks - April/May 2013.
Even though QLTS International are based in the US, all the materials are prepared by City University in London. There are 4 core law manuals - Business Law, Property, Probate, Criminal and Civil Litigation and an additional 2 manuals specifically for the OSCE and TLST that give you example scenarios.
Then there are online video tutorials and audio lectures about both exams. Literally 2 videos and 3 lectures (small snippets).

If you are not in a rush to sit these exams, I would take your time and do the autumn sitting. Unfortunately I don't have that luxury!

Good Luck
I am yet to sit the exams in 7 weeks - April/May 2013.
Even though QLTS International are based in the US, all the materials are prepared by City University in London. There are 4 core law manuals - Business Law, Property, Probate, Criminal and Civil Litigation and an additional 2 manuals specifically for the OSCE and TLST that give you example scenarios.
Then there are online video tutorials and audio lectures about both exams. Literally 2 videos and 3 lectures (small snippets).

If you are not in a rush to sit these exams, I would take your time and do the autumn sitting. Unfortunately I don't have that luxury!

Good Luck
jcap
Thanks Bargirl! Good luck to you too. I think I will have to take my time given I have 3 kids also and a full time job. You do have an all day training day at City Uni I think. This will be their first time i think. My understanding is that you need to have the substantive law for both exams but that is only 50% of the mark. 50% is practical skill based.

How do you feel about the material you have from QLTS International? Do you feel you have enough on the substantive law and the practice? Are each of the manuals comprehensive do you think - on practice and law (how long and practical are they)

I think the approach of QLtS school to throw 6 massive text books at you and no outline / summary is a cop out. The mock tests they give you however sound useful but I'm struggling with the idea of digesting 6 large text books!

Do you think you've made the right choice with q International? I could use some advice. I'm struggling which way to go!!!
Thanks Bargirl! Good luck to you too. I think I will have to take my time given I have 3 kids also and a full time job. You do have an all day training day at City Uni I think. This will be their first time i think. My understanding is that you need to have the substantive law for both exams but that is only 50% of the mark. 50% is practical skill based.

How do you feel about the material you have from QLTS International? Do you feel you have enough on the substantive law and the practice? Are each of the manuals comprehensive do you think - on practice and law (how long and practical are they)

I think the approach of QLtS school to throw 6 massive text books at you and no outline / summary is a cop out. The mock tests they give you however sound useful but I'm struggling with the idea of digesting 6 large text books!

Do you think you've made the right choice with q International? I could use some advice. I'm struggling which way to go!!!
Arp_Roh
Hi, I have applied for OSCE and TLST in April, can anyone help me with any guidelines or studymaterials...

Thanks,
Hi, I have applied for OSCE and TLST in April, can anyone help me with any guidelines or studymaterials...

Thanks,
AlexPar
Hi,

I'm looking for the MCT Question Bank material - anyone has it?
Hi,

I'm looking for the MCT Question Bank material - anyone has it?

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