Oxford BCL/MJur 2013-2014


Brainy Smu...
OK.

As I am reading applicant's (people who are applying to Oxford) inadequate analysis upon the matters of marks and ranks. Insofar as to justify rather marks and ranks are irrelevant seems rather pointless for this thread. I seriously hope whomever applies to Oxford gains admittance. Despite the inadequate information being exchanged on this thread.

Moving along. The rigour of Oxford will boost your researching skills. However based upon the impractical analysis applicants exchange within this very thread. Some of you need a 'run for your money', per se. I find it appalling how applicants focus on the least important variables, concerning both marks and ranks. Have any of the applicants ever took the time to research law schools besides wasting thoughtful energy/time on such condescending exchanges? All law schools with regards to JD/LLB programme infer the same compulsory courses/modules for a qualifying degree. That is what I meant by "a 1st is a1st", verbatim. Nevertheless the lackluster ranking exchange holds no relevant weight toward sufficient information. And please take this into consideration; applicants who sought after answers when scrolling down the petty exchange about marks and ranks on a thread regarding the application process only negates any possible chance of gaining information about the BCL/MJur programme. And to add; you might have a renowned scholar as your lecturer. But the position of the renowned scholar, is simply, a lecturer. And the scholar's lectures are not going to make applicants more brilliant than they already are!

Aforementioned. Why are renowned scholars praised? Their approach on lecturing remains practical within academia. Applicants are mainly glorifying Oxford for unforeseen reasons. Which remains speculative on the applicants behalf. Those explicit reasons are expressed in threads like this one. However, renowned scholars (or lecturers) at Oxford are not going to bother to take students under their wing (training purposes). The lecturer will only hear, not listen, to the student's apprehensive whinge on their scholarly materials that students find incomprehensible. There is nothing renowned about an Oxford scholar. Their pieces are regarded based upon marketing (network) themselves during uni. This means, having people who will vouch for the best of their interest. If a student lack interpersonal skills. The student will be another graduate/post-graduate from Oxford. Getting your work (research) published takes [a lot] of ground work. You do not hear of the whereabouts of Oxford alums. Majority of them hide the fact of being from Oxford. Unless, they are a lecturer at uni. Becoming a judge/magistrate or supreme court justice might be too farfetched. And being an alum of Oxford can hinder an applicants chances of gaining employment as a practicing barrister/solicitor. Furthermore, a lot of LLC/INC are not fond of academics handling claimants. You doubt me? Find out how many Oxford alums make it into the magic/silver circle within the UK. And please give me dated information if you endeavour.

Oxford is good in its own way. Therefore I beg to differ on a practical stance that students are not going to learning more at Oxford than some lower ranked uni. The BCL/MJur will consist of applicants who defer their chances of undergoing a pupillage. For the chance of attending a year at Oxford. Whilst the BCL/MJur programme will inform applicants on a practical stance. I feel the only rigour a student will get out of Oxford is diving right into research in their first week. That is it. And just to reiterate, there is no way of a student graduating from Oxford's post-graduate programme being completely brilliant! The only 'true' question remains relevant to applicants: will graduating from Oxford open doors to desired employers? No.

Hopefully applicants will start a blog and tell us their experience at Oxford.

;)


And this substantively is also untrue, the national media did an investigation on leaked emails Oxford postgrad admissions and they had a list of universities whose students were "probably not worth an offer" see http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/feb/22/highereducation.oxbridgeandelitism

Whilst this is not law and is in 2005 it is clear that the process is at least potentially not as you describe it. And viz. our analysis and its lacklustre approach rendering us "running for money" and ergo unsuitable applicants; it's a forum not an analytical thesis in socio-normative perspectives in higher education.



You obviously skimmed through that article. I give you credit for endeavouring. But what is not true?

Also I stated: "a run for your money" not "running for money" verbatim. It is an expression.

In a thread (you call it a forum) you can enquire about anything on your mind for feedback. There will be a person in the future who will answer the respective query. As long as it feasible to the thread. What I am asking is not rocket science. You either do or do not reply to the post. Your choice.

I am not here to burn bridges nor make acquaintances. I am here to exchange thoughtful ideas concerning the LLM (BCL/MJur).
<blockquote><blockquote>OK.

As I am reading applicant's (people who are applying to Oxford) inadequate analysis upon the matters of marks and ranks. Insofar as to justify rather marks and ranks are irrelevant seems rather pointless for this thread. I seriously hope whomever applies to Oxford gains admittance. Despite the inadequate information being exchanged on this thread.

Moving along. The rigour of Oxford will boost your researching skills. However based upon the impractical analysis applicants exchange within this very thread. Some of you need a 'run for your money', per se. I find it appalling how applicants focus on the least important variables, concerning both marks and ranks. Have any of the applicants ever took the time to research law schools besides wasting thoughtful energy/time on such condescending exchanges? All law schools with regards to JD/LLB programme infer the same compulsory courses/modules for a qualifying degree. That is what I meant by "a 1st is a1st", verbatim. Nevertheless the lackluster ranking exchange holds no relevant weight toward sufficient information. And please take this into consideration; applicants who sought after answers when scrolling down the petty exchange about marks and ranks on a thread regarding the application process only negates any possible chance of gaining information about the BCL/MJur programme. And to add; you might have a renowned scholar as your lecturer. But the position of the renowned scholar, is simply, a lecturer. And the scholar's lectures are not going to make applicants more brilliant than they already are!

Aforementioned. Why are renowned scholars praised? Their approach on lecturing remains practical within academia. Applicants are mainly glorifying Oxford for unforeseen reasons. Which remains speculative on the applicants behalf. Those explicit reasons are expressed in threads like this one. However, renowned scholars (or lecturers) at Oxford are not going to bother to take students under their wing (training purposes). The lecturer will only hear, not listen, to the student's apprehensive whinge on their scholarly materials that students find incomprehensible. There is nothing renowned about an Oxford scholar. Their pieces are regarded based upon marketing (network) themselves during uni. This means, having people who will vouch for the best of their interest. If a student lack interpersonal skills. The student will be another graduate/post-graduate from Oxford. Getting your work (research) published takes [a lot] of ground work. You do not hear of the whereabouts of Oxford alums. Majority of them hide the fact of being from Oxford. Unless, they are a lecturer at uni. Becoming a judge/magistrate or supreme court justice might be too farfetched. And being an alum of Oxford can hinder an applicants chances of gaining employment as a practicing barrister/solicitor. Furthermore, a lot of LLC/INC are not fond of academics handling claimants. You doubt me? Find out how many Oxford alums make it into the magic/silver circle within the UK. And please give me dated information if you endeavour.

Oxford is good in its own way. Therefore I beg to differ on a practical stance that students are not going to learning more at Oxford than some lower ranked uni. The BCL/MJur will consist of applicants who defer their chances of undergoing a pupillage. For the chance of attending a year at Oxford. Whilst the BCL/MJur programme will inform applicants on a practical stance. I feel the only rigour a student will get out of Oxford is diving right into research in their first week. That is it. And just to reiterate, there is no way of a student graduating from Oxford's post-graduate programme being completely brilliant! The only 'true' question remains relevant to applicants: will graduating from Oxford open doors to desired employers? No.

Hopefully applicants will start a blog and tell us their experience at Oxford.

;)</blockquote>

And this substantively is also untrue, the national media did an investigation on leaked emails Oxford postgrad admissions and they had a list of universities whose students were "probably not worth an offer" see http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/feb/22/highereducation.oxbridgeandelitism

Whilst this is not law and is in 2005 it is clear that the process is at least potentially not as you describe it. And viz. our analysis and its lacklustre approach rendering us "running for money" and ergo unsuitable applicants; it's a forum not an analytical thesis in socio-normative perspectives in higher education. </blockquote>


You obviously skimmed through that article. I give you credit for endeavouring. But what is not true?

Also I stated: "a run for your money" not "running for money" verbatim. It is an expression.

In a thread (you call it a forum) you can enquire about anything on your mind for feedback. There will be a person in the future who will answer the respective query. As long as it feasible to the thread. What I am asking is not rocket science. You either do or do not reply to the post. Your choice.

I am not here to burn bridges nor make acquaintances. I am here to exchange thoughtful ideas concerning the LLM (BCL/MJur).

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se821
OK.

As I am reading applicant's (people who are applying to Oxford) inadequate analysis upon the matters of marks and ranks. Insofar as to justify rather marks and ranks are irrelevant seems rather pointless for this thread. I seriously hope whomever applies to Oxford gains admittance. Despite the inadequate information being exchanged on this thread.

Moving along. The rigour of Oxford will boost your researching skills. However based upon the impractical analysis applicants exchange within this very thread. Some of you need a 'run for your money', per se. I find it appalling how applicants focus on the least important variables, concerning both marks and ranks. Have any of the applicants ever took the time to research law schools besides wasting thoughtful energy/time on such condescending exchanges? All law schools with regards to JD/LLB programme infer the same compulsory courses/modules for a qualifying degree. That is what I meant by "a 1st is a1st", verbatim. Nevertheless the lackluster ranking exchange holds no relevant weight toward sufficient information. And please take this into consideration; applicants who sought after answers when scrolling down the petty exchange about marks and ranks on a thread regarding the application process only negates any possible chance of gaining information about the BCL/MJur programme. And to add; you might have a renowned scholar as your lecturer. But the position of the renowned scholar, is simply, a lecturer. And the scholar's lectures are not going to make applicants more brilliant than they already are!

Aforementioned. Why are renowned scholars praised? Their approach on lecturing remains practical within academia. Applicants are mainly glorifying Oxford for unforeseen reasons. Which remains speculative on the applicants behalf. Those explicit reasons are expressed in threads like this one. However, renowned scholars (or lecturers) at Oxford are not going to bother to take students under their wing (training purposes). The lecturer will only hear, not listen, to the student's apprehensive whinge on their scholarly materials that students find incomprehensible. There is nothing renowned about an Oxford scholar. Their pieces are regarded based upon marketing (network) themselves during uni. This means, having people who will vouch for the best of their interest. If a student lack interpersonal skills. The student will be another graduate/post-graduate from Oxford. Getting your work (research) published takes [a lot] of ground work. You do not hear of the whereabouts of Oxford alums. Majority of them hide the fact of being from Oxford. Unless, they are a lecturer at uni. Becoming a judge/magistrate or supreme court justice might be too farfetched. And being an alum of Oxford can hinder an applicants chances of gaining employment as a practicing barrister/solicitor. Furthermore, a lot of LLC/INC are not fond of academics handling claimants. You doubt me? Find out how many Oxford alums make it into the magic/silver circle within the UK. And please give me dated information if you endeavour.

Oxford is good in its own way. Therefore I beg to differ on a practical stance that students are not going to learning more at Oxford than some lower ranked uni. The BCL/MJur will consist of applicants who defer their chances of undergoing a pupillage. For the chance of attending a year at Oxford. Whilst the BCL/MJur programme will inform applicants on a practical stance. I feel the only rigour a student will get out of Oxford is diving right into research in their first week. That is it. And just to reiterate, there is no way of a student graduating from Oxford's post-graduate programme being completely brilliant! The only 'true' question remains relevant to applicants: will graduating from Oxford open doors to desired employers? No.

Hopefully applicants will start a blog and tell us their experience at Oxford.

;)


This is a considerably bad attempt at trolling which I can't imagine delivers even much self-amusement! For the future, it is far more intelligent, and probably enjoyable, to leave people at least doubting whether or not you are serious.

Back to my original question, if the starting point is that every University has a different average percentage for its First class degrees (I imagine this is true), there are two obvious conclusions. Either you can come to the view that the University with the highest average percentage produces the most talented applicants for a course where grades are paramount, or you can combine the average percentages with some qualitative analysis of where the degree comes from.

Contrary to some views expressed earlier in the thread, I imagine that the latter more accurately reflects the admissions process, but like all commentary on the admissions process, this is pure speculation.
<blockquote>OK.

As I am reading applicant's (people who are applying to Oxford) inadequate analysis upon the matters of marks and ranks. Insofar as to justify rather marks and ranks are irrelevant seems rather pointless for this thread. I seriously hope whomever applies to Oxford gains admittance. Despite the inadequate information being exchanged on this thread.

Moving along. The rigour of Oxford will boost your researching skills. However based upon the impractical analysis applicants exchange within this very thread. Some of you need a 'run for your money', per se. I find it appalling how applicants focus on the least important variables, concerning both marks and ranks. Have any of the applicants ever took the time to research law schools besides wasting thoughtful energy/time on such condescending exchanges? All law schools with regards to JD/LLB programme infer the same compulsory courses/modules for a qualifying degree. That is what I meant by "a 1st is a1st", verbatim. Nevertheless the lackluster ranking exchange holds no relevant weight toward sufficient information. And please take this into consideration; applicants who sought after answers when scrolling down the petty exchange about marks and ranks on a thread regarding the application process only negates any possible chance of gaining information about the BCL/MJur programme. And to add; you might have a renowned scholar as your lecturer. But the position of the renowned scholar, is simply, a lecturer. And the scholar's lectures are not going to make applicants more brilliant than they already are!

Aforementioned. Why are renowned scholars praised? Their approach on lecturing remains practical within academia. Applicants are mainly glorifying Oxford for unforeseen reasons. Which remains speculative on the applicants behalf. Those explicit reasons are expressed in threads like this one. However, renowned scholars (or lecturers) at Oxford are not going to bother to take students under their wing (training purposes). The lecturer will only hear, not listen, to the student's apprehensive whinge on their scholarly materials that students find incomprehensible. There is nothing renowned about an Oxford scholar. Their pieces are regarded based upon marketing (network) themselves during uni. This means, having people who will vouch for the best of their interest. If a student lack interpersonal skills. The student will be another graduate/post-graduate from Oxford. Getting your work (research) published takes [a lot] of ground work. You do not hear of the whereabouts of Oxford alums. Majority of them hide the fact of being from Oxford. Unless, they are a lecturer at uni. Becoming a judge/magistrate or supreme court justice might be too farfetched. And being an alum of Oxford can hinder an applicants chances of gaining employment as a practicing barrister/solicitor. Furthermore, a lot of LLC/INC are not fond of academics handling claimants. You doubt me? Find out how many Oxford alums make it into the magic/silver circle within the UK. And please give me dated information if you endeavour.

Oxford is good in its own way. Therefore I beg to differ on a practical stance that students are not going to learning more at Oxford than some lower ranked uni. The BCL/MJur will consist of applicants who defer their chances of undergoing a pupillage. For the chance of attending a year at Oxford. Whilst the BCL/MJur programme will inform applicants on a practical stance. I feel the only rigour a student will get out of Oxford is diving right into research in their first week. That is it. And just to reiterate, there is no way of a student graduating from Oxford's post-graduate programme being completely brilliant! The only 'true' question remains relevant to applicants: will graduating from Oxford open doors to desired employers? No.

Hopefully applicants will start a blog and tell us their experience at Oxford.

;)</blockquote>

This is a considerably bad attempt at trolling which I can't imagine delivers even much self-amusement! For the future, it is far more intelligent, and probably enjoyable, to leave people at least doubting whether or not you are serious.

Back to my original question, if the starting point is that every University has a different average percentage for its First class degrees (I imagine this is true), there are two obvious conclusions. Either you can come to the view that the University with the highest average percentage produces the most talented applicants for a course where grades are paramount, or you can combine the average percentages with some qualitative analysis of where the degree comes from.

Contrary to some views expressed earlier in the thread, I imagine that the latter more accurately reflects the admissions process, but like all commentary on the admissions process, this is pure speculation.

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Brainy Smu...
OK


This is a considerably bad attempt at trolling which I can't imagine delivers even much self-amusement! For the future, it is far more intelligent, and probably enjoyable, to leave people at least doubting whether or not you are serious.

Back to my original question, if the starting point is that every University has a different average percentage for its First class degrees (I imagine this is true), there are two obvious conclusions. Either you can come to the view that the University with the highest average percentage produces the most talented applicants for a course where grades are paramount, or you can combine the average percentages with some qualitative analysis of where the degree comes from.

Contrary to some views expressed earlier in the thread, I imagine that the latter more accurately reflects the admissions process, but like all commentary on the admissions process, this is pure speculation.


Trolling? I am only highlighting what is evident. There might be a couple of gray areas. But that remains the potential reason for posting. So applicants can quantify on information. Besides flooding the thread with irrelevance. You have misinterpreted where I was going with this. You probably read a little into the second paragraph and automatically concluded my position. I will admit. My first posting was incomprehensible. Good thing for the edit feature. Furthermore I stay up all night researching and poorly pulled the first attempt out of my rearend. I blame being tired. Which some applicants caught onto and lashed out at me. That is taken. But where are they now after I have revised my post? Probably reading my post waiting for another chance to pounce. However, I do not cry over spilled milk. Aforementioned in my edited version is a recap of this thread.You are only trolling me for the fact of misinterpreting what was once stated. I am here to exchange/share valid information. All of my post have been general. It saddened me that applicants would perceive me as a troll.

Your query upon the application process is pure speculation. Because unis will always take the practical approach in such an endeavour. However Oxford, like Cambridge, will filter out majority of the applicants. For multiple reasons concerning the applicants profile. Oxford remains well aware of the reason why applicants apply. Just Oxford wants a well-rounded applicant, supposedly. If applicants are only about studying and have nothing else to offer. Besides a well written personal statement and mediocre internship. The applicant will be sent a considered email. But realistically a consideration is usually the median. Nothing impressive just the typical applicant who is qualified to study at Oxford. Maybe applicants should go another route and undertake the BPTC/LPC (or bar in their native country) along with actually practicing. Therefore gaining a fruitful profilio before applying to Oxford. In order to get into an attractive programme applicants should have to an attractive profile!
</blockquote></blockquote>OK

</blockquote>

This is a considerably bad attempt at trolling which I can't imagine delivers even much self-amusement! For the future, it is far more intelligent, and probably enjoyable, to leave people at least doubting whether or not you are serious.

Back to my original question, if the starting point is that every University has a different average percentage for its First class degrees (I imagine this is true), there are two obvious conclusions. Either you can come to the view that the University with the highest average percentage produces the most talented applicants for a course where grades are paramount, or you can combine the average percentages with some qualitative analysis of where the degree comes from.

Contrary to some views expressed earlier in the thread, I imagine that the latter more accurately reflects the admissions process, but like all commentary on the admissions process, this is pure speculation.

</blockquote>



Trolling? I am only highlighting what is evident. There might be a couple of gray areas. But that remains the potential reason for posting. So applicants can quantify on information. Besides flooding the thread with irrelevance. You have misinterpreted where I was going with this. You probably read a little into the second paragraph and automatically concluded my position. I will admit. My first posting was incomprehensible. Good thing for the edit feature. Furthermore I stay up all night researching and poorly pulled the first attempt out of my rearend. I blame being tired. Which some applicants caught onto and lashed out at me. That is taken. But where are they now after I have revised my post? Probably reading my post waiting for another chance to pounce. However, I do not cry over spilled milk. Aforementioned in my edited version is a recap of this thread.You are only trolling me for the fact of misinterpreting what was once stated. I am here to exchange/share valid information. All of my post have been general. It saddened me that applicants would perceive me as a troll.

Your query upon the application process is pure speculation. Because unis will always take the practical approach in such an endeavour. However Oxford, like Cambridge, will filter out majority of the applicants. For multiple reasons concerning the applicants profile. Oxford remains well aware of the reason why applicants apply. Just Oxford wants a well-rounded applicant, supposedly. If applicants are only about studying and have nothing else to offer. Besides a well written personal statement and mediocre internship. The applicant will be sent a considered email. But realistically a consideration is usually the median. Nothing impressive just the typical applicant who is qualified to study at Oxford. Maybe applicants should go another route and undertake the BPTC/LPC (or bar in their native country) along with actually practicing. Therefore gaining a fruitful profilio before applying to Oxford. In order to get into an attractive programme applicants should have to an attractive profile!
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oi210
You know what your probably right, I don't think il bother applying now.


You know what your probably right, I don't think il bother applying now.

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oi210
Ok submitted application and noticed 2 grammar errors excellent
Ok submitted application and noticed 2 grammar errors excellent
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Ok submitted application and noticed 2 grammar errors excellent


Well I'm glad I'm not alone. :P
<blockquote>Ok submitted application and noticed 2 grammar errors excellent</blockquote>

Well I'm glad I'm not alone. :P
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I haven't noticed any...mainly because I'm scared to look again.
At least it's all gone and we can relax now.
I haven't noticed any...mainly because I'm scared to look again.
At least it's all gone and we can relax now.
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aspire989
Ok submitted application and noticed 2 grammar errors excellent


Well I'm glad I'm not alone. :P


Yeah, put in "mangement" instead of "management" on my CV! hopefully, they will not notice it!
<blockquote><blockquote>Ok submitted application and noticed 2 grammar errors excellent</blockquote>

Well I'm glad I'm not alone. :P</blockquote>

Yeah, put in "mangement" instead of "management" on my CV! hopefully, they will not notice it!
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oi210
last year decisions came between 12 March and 16 March whicch was a monday-friday, so i think this year it will be Monday 11 March- Friday 15 March
last year decisions came between 12 March and 16 March whicch was a monday-friday, so i think this year it will be Monday 11 March- Friday 15 March
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imicha
hey guys! anyone got an offer yet??
hey guys! anyone got an offer yet??
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oi210
hey guys! anyone got an offer yet??


The Admissions Office said:

Decisions are finalised by 13 March but it might take a few days more for decisions to be communicated to applicants. We advise that you should hear between the 13th and 18th March although depending on departmental schedules you may hear later than this.

Good Luck post as soon as you hear
<blockquote>hey guys! anyone got an offer yet??</blockquote>

The Admissions Office said:

Decisions are finalised by 13 March but it might take a few days more for decisions to be communicated to applicants. We advise that you should hear between the 13th and 18th March although depending on departmental schedules you may hear later than this.

Good Luck post as soon as you hear
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soso14886
Just read on the BCL website that decisions will be out on, or shortly after, 16th March. SO NERVOUS!

The next 12 days are going to be hell!

Best of luck to everyone!
Just read on the BCL website that decisions will be out on, or shortly after, 16th March. SO NERVOUS!

The next 12 days are going to be hell!

Best of luck to everyone!
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Seconded, best of luck to everyone!
Seconded, best of luck to everyone!
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I just received two email alerts from the University of Oxford - advertising their 'Virtual Open Day' - Ugh! Heart attack twice without a decision is plain cruel. haha.
I just received two email alerts from the University of Oxford - advertising their 'Virtual Open Day' - Ugh! Heart attack twice without a decision is plain cruel. haha.
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Oh, gosh, thanks for the warning! (I'll know not to expect anything offer wise for a while!)
Oh, gosh, thanks for the warning! (I'll know not to expect anything offer wise for a while!)
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ck950203
I was even secretly hoping that the Oxford advertisement emails were only sent to the offer holders!
I was even secretly hoping that the Oxford advertisement emails were only sent to the offer holders!
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I hope not...I haven't got one! Saying that, where are you from? Could be that they're for internationals!
I hope not...I haven't got one! Saying that, where are you from? Could be that they're for internationals!
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I was even secretly hoping that the Oxford advertisement emails were only sent to the offer holders!


Fingers crossed! We can test this theory hopefully in a week or so haha.

I am from the States but I'm at Uni in the UK - so who knows, I am not sure if my location/nationality has anything to do with the advertisements etc.
<blockquote>I was even secretly hoping that the Oxford advertisement emails were only sent to the offer holders!</blockquote>

Fingers crossed! We can test this theory hopefully in a week or so haha.

I am from the States but I'm at Uni in the UK - so who knows, I am not sure if my location/nationality has anything to do with the advertisements etc.
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ck950203
I'm from Taiwan, and fingers are crossed for those who received the advertisements.
I'm from Taiwan, and fingers are crossed for those who received the advertisements.
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Ah, well. Best of luck to everyone, again, anyway!
Ah, well. Best of luck to everyone, again, anyway!
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