MJur - LLM


Zita
Dear all

I have just started thinking about doing a postgraduate degree in the UK :)
I just read that Oxford offers a MJur degree whilst Cambridge and most others have an LLM degree. Can you please help me, is the Oxford Law Postgraduate degree not aquivalent to the "LLM"?

Thanks for your help :)
Zita
Dear all

I have just started thinking about doing a postgraduate degree in the UK :)
I just read that Oxford offers a MJur degree whilst Cambridge and most others have an LLM degree. Can you please help me, is the Oxford Law Postgraduate degree not aquivalent to the "LLM"?

Thanks for your help :)
Zita
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It is but you might have a bit of explaining to do because in all major centres of learning (Harvard, Columbia, Yale, etc) it is called LL.M. You should be fine if you want to stay in academia or work for a major law firm, they will know that LL.M=MJur but you will incur difficulties if you would want to move to finance or industry. Not a major difficulty but just an additional explaining hassle...The problem is that HR people in these places are people with language or literature background and you will work hard to persuade them that you did not get an education of a lesser quality. Oxford name will help, of course
It is but you might have a bit of explaining to do because in all major centres of learning (Harvard, Columbia, Yale, etc) it is called LL.M. You should be fine if you want to stay in academia or work for a major law firm, they will know that LL.M=MJur but you will incur difficulties if you would want to move to finance or industry. Not a major difficulty but just an additional explaining hassle...The problem is that HR people in these places are people with language or literature background and you will work hard to persuade them that you did not get an education of a lesser quality. Oxford name will help, of course
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The Cambridge 'Legum Magister' and Oxford 'Magister Juris' may be classified as being in the same 'category' of taught postgraduate law degrees. There is no 'explaining hassle': the degree names spelled out in full speak for themselves.

The structures of both degree programmes differ insofar, as tutorials are an integral part at Oxford, whereas Cambridge offers only lectures and seminars.
The Cambridge 'Legum Magister' and Oxford 'Magister Juris' may be classified as being in the same 'category' of taught postgraduate law degrees. There is no 'explaining hassle': the degree names spelled out in full speak for themselves.

The structures of both degree programmes differ insofar, as tutorials are an integral part at Oxford, whereas Cambridge offers only lectures and seminars.
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I know, World but most HR people in non-law firm (graduated with the 3rd class arty degree) often cannot make this mental leap...Once again, Zita should be fine in law firms provided that another HR brain of Britain will not say something like "Oh, MJur is only for civil lawyers wanting to return to their countries of origin"...We are a common law country here..we need LLM or BCL..Unfortunately these professionals are all to common these days...
I know, World but most HR people in non-law firm (graduated with the 3rd class arty degree) often cannot make this mental leap...Once again, Zita should be fine in law firms provided that another HR brain of Britain will not say something like "Oh, MJur is only for civil lawyers wanting to return to their countries of origin"...We are a common law country here..we need LLM or BCL..Unfortunately these professionals are all to common these days...
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Private Equity: Law firms need good lawyers, not just a very narrow choice of postgraduate degrees. And even if it was the case that human resources professionals were driven by this formalistic perspective concerning the abbreviation of degrees (which it isnt), it would be rather less appealing to work in such an environment.

Zita: Oxford MJur versus Cambridge LLM has been discussed before. You might want to have a look at i.e. http://www.llm-guide.com/board/71291 and http://www.llm-guide.com/board/85853. I recommend applying to both excellent degree programmes and wish you good luck with your applications and studies in the UK.
Private Equity: Law firms need good lawyers, not just a very narrow choice of postgraduate degrees. And even if it was the case that human resources professionals were driven by this formalistic perspective concerning the abbreviation of degrees (which it isn’t), it would be rather less appealing to work in such an environment.

Zita: Oxford MJur versus Cambridge LLM has been discussed before. You might want to have a look at i.e. http://www.llm-guide.com/board/71291 and http://www.llm-guide.com/board/85853. I recommend applying to both excellent degree programmes and wish you good luck with your applications and studies in the UK.
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I know, World but most HR people in non-law firm (graduated with the 3rd class arty degree) often cannot make this mental leap...Once again, Zita should be fine in law firms provided that another HR brain of Britain will not say something like "Oh, MJur is only for civil lawyers wanting to return to their countries of origin"...We are a common law country here..we need LLM or BCL..Unfortunately these professionals are all to common these days...


That's a bit patronising of HR staff. I'm not sure that many would actually care whether it's an LLM, BCL, MJur or anything else. If it comes from Oxbridge it will command respect.
<blockquote>I know, World but most HR people in non-law firm (graduated with the 3rd class arty degree) often cannot make this mental leap...Once again, Zita should be fine in law firms provided that another HR brain of Britain will not say something like "Oh, MJur is only for civil lawyers wanting to return to their countries of origin"...We are a common law country here..we need LLM or BCL..Unfortunately these professionals are all to common these days...</blockquote>

That's a bit patronising of HR staff. I'm not sure that many would actually care whether it's an LLM, BCL, MJur or anything else. If it comes from Oxbridge it will command respect.
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Zita
Dear all

Thank you for your answers. They help me a lot.

I consider then applying to both, since the abbrevation of the titel is not expression of a major difference.

Thank you.

Zita
Dear all

Thank you for your answers. They help me a lot.

I consider then applying to both, since the abbrevation of the titel is not expression of a major difference.

Thank you.

Zita
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