Hello Beicon, hello everyone,

What do you mean by decent reputation? Does decent reputation comprise universities such as UCL, KCL, QML, LSE, Cambridge, Oxford??? Or only second tier universities? If you mean second tier universities, it's possible that you're right... I based my statement on first tier schools.

Furthermore, why on earth are you gonna spend time and money on a "decent" university?

I think it's really stupid to attack beicon like this. He is has been a top contributor to the llm-guide board for many years and this board wouldn't be as useful if there weren't people like him who actually have done an LLM and know what they are talking about.

Beicon, please don't stop posting here, there are many others who appreciate your help!

The law school is in the top quintile according to the relevant rankings. That probably makes it second tier, but so are some of the universities mentioned in your post ;-)

Furthermore I think that any further discussion is pointless, as long as we don't know the original poster's actual goals - not everyone wants to become an Oxbridge graduate. Maybe any LLM from the UK or Canada would do in order to be king in the home legal market or the LLM is the proper vehicle to get away from home, to find the right partner, to explore the "Real Ale"-culture on a government scholarship - whatever... (I have actually seen people pursuing LLM degrees for all of these reasons)

Hello Beicon,

Just out of curiosity, which one of the law schools I mentioned is "decent" in your opinion?

My point, however, is that you shouldn't start out aiming at only "decent" universities. Of course, if the concept of "decent" is anything other than Oxbridge, then maybe "decent" is a good option. If that is the case, I went to a "decent" university myself as I'm an UCL graduate... kicked in the ass by Oxbridge and LSE...

Before you blab on any further, you should first have a look at my history here on LLM guide. I've been coming to this forum for quite a long time now and have always tried my best to help people out.

Ok, you're right that the thread talks about entry requirements. But have you actually had a look at how poorly written the initial post was? I'm not trying to hurt the person who wrote it nor am I trying to be rude. But we gotta be realistic here! If you can't manage to write a two-sentence post properly and you can't get more than 5 in the written exam, you may get offers from a few "decent" law schools, but you're not gonna be able to keep up with the course. Not even in a decent law school.

Im not a native English speaker and Im sure I make plenty of mistakes when Im either writing or speaking. But I think Ive learned enough to get around pretty fine.

Furthermore, why on earth are you gonna spend time and money on a "decent" university? When you settle for "decent" right at first, you're not pushing yourself to the limit. Why dont you put time and effort on learning the language before you apply? Learn the language and aim high. Go for the best universities around. If you still fail after that, maybe you can start thinking about decent universities.

If people come here just to hear compliments, then Im sorry. But Im actually trying to help. I dont think telling the guy: Hey, dont worry. With your 5 you can get offers from x, y and z (being x, y and z universities that will add nothing to your CV or your life and will only make you waste time and money) is the best way to go about helping people.

I was just telling the truth. I wasnt being rude to either the original poster or Flori. If thats how my post came across, Im sorry. But Im not gonna lie and they the guy hes got a shot when I truly believe he doesnt.

My first post here on LLM Guide was asking people what they thought about my chances of getting into LLM programs. And Im truly grateful to those that replied honestly, saying that based on what Id told them I was very unlikely to get offers from Cambridge and Oxford. I wasn't pissed off at them for that.

Now, if you still want to barge in and pretend to be Mr. I know it all, fine. Be my guest. Ive finished my LLM anyways. The only reason Im here is to try to pass forward a bit of what Ive learned regarding applications, requirements and the LLM. If the only people around to read these posts are like you, who want nothing but to butt in and talk bulls***t, then Im done.

I just want to point out that in some countries especially in Austria, the main reason of doing a LL.M. is to gain English language skills and to get a degree. Furthermore I spoke to several attorneys within big law firms and everybody told me it doesnt care at which university you do your degree as long it is not such a magical place like Oxbridge and maybe LSE. Moreover they even said it might not care which courses you chose (commercial law would be appreciated). To sum it up a good first law degree from Austria and one year at a second tier university the UK is enough to get several top job offers.

Maybe this might be also the goal of the original poster.

Cheers and sorry for my mistakes.

Before you blab on any further, you should first have a look at my history here on LLM guide. I've been coming to this forum for quite a long time now and have always tried my best to help people out.

Ok, you're right that the thread talks about entry requirements. But have you actually had a look at how poorly written the initial post was? I'm not trying to hurt the person who wrote it nor am I trying to be rude. But we gotta be realistic here! If you can't manage to write a two-sentence post properly and you can't get more than 5 in the written exam, you may get offers from a few "decent" law schools, but you're not gonna be able to keep up with the course. Not even in a decent law school.

Im not a native English speaker and Im sure I make plenty of mistakes when Im either writing or speaking. But I think Ive learned enough to get around pretty fine.

Furthermore, why on earth are you gonna spend time and money on a "decent" university? When you settle for "decent" right at first, you're not pushing yourself to the limit. Why dont you put time and effort on learning the language before you apply? Learn the language and aim high. Go for the best universities around. If you still fail after that, maybe you can start thinking about decent universities.

If people come here just to hear compliments, then Im sorry. But Im actually trying to help. I dont think telling the guy: Hey, dont worry. With your 5 you can get offers from x, y and z (being x, y and z universities that will add nothing to your CV or your life and will only make you waste time and money) is the best way to go about helping people.

I was just telling the truth. I wasnt being rude to either the original poster or Flori. If thats how my post came across, Im sorry. But Im not gonna lie and they the guy hes got a shot when I truly believe he doesnt.

My first post here on LLM Guide was asking people what they thought about my chances of getting into LLM programs. And Im truly grateful to those that replied honestly, saying that based on what Id told them I was very unlikely to get offers from Cambridge and Oxford. I wasn't pissed off at them for that.

Now, if you still want to barge in and pretend to be Mr. I know it all, fine. Be my guest. Ive finished my LLM anyways. The only reason Im here is to try to pass forward a bit of what Ive learned regarding applications, requirements and the LLM. If the only people around to read these posts are like you, who want nothing but to butt in and talk bulls***t, then Im done.

Wow...I actually wanted to challenge your arguments, but your threat that you would leave the forum if you faced any more criticism has completely caught me off guard. Plus, I feel kind of sad that only Head2 has answered your call for support. Thus, I'm even more inclined to give in and join the jubilant crowd...

But enough with this chit-chat.

It's perfectly fine to tell someone that, in your view, he should aim for a top notch university. It's perfectly fine to tell someone that his level of English might not be sufficient to follow an average llm class. And it's perfectly fine to tell someone "the truth", i.e. to frankly point out any hindrances on his way to obtaining a master's degree. I have never advocated a different approach.

The only problem is: You did none of that. You did not answer the question like this: "Well, you could get a master's degree from an average university, but you should keep in mind that, regarding your level of English, you might have problems following the classes. Also, you might not benefit from this particular llm in your future career. That's why I recommend that you buckle up and aim for a very good university." On the contrary, you made that decision for him by telling him that he is going to get nowwhere in the UK, of course without mentioning any of the points which you produced later on to substantiate your view. That's what was wrong with your statement, at least in my view.

I simply pointed out that flaw. Due to time constraints, it may not have been the most diplomatic way of putting it, but it was still way more friendly than your answer to the original post and, of course, the answer you have given to me. I have not pretended to be "Mr. I know it all", and I have not intended to offend you. Furthermore, I certainly did not give a general evaluation of the overall quality of your answers on this forum. Finally, I neither did criticise you in general nor was I rude. I'm afraid the same does not apply to you.

Your reference to the amount of time you spend on this forum does not back up your view, and it certainly does not justify the quality of your particular answer. It's not even an argument. The same applies to your personal insults. That and the fact that you act like a prima donna makes it hard to take your view seriously.

Maybe you had a bad day or something, who knows. Anyway, from my point of view, there's no point in debating this any further.

Bye

Hi,

I think we should stop hijacking this thread with personal attacks and irrelevant issues (perhaps you guys can take this somewhere else?) and get back to the thread topic, shall we? :)

I will be pursuing my bar qualifications in Australia and would like to know if the IETLS is required before you undertake the academic requirements or when you undertake the PLC requirments?

Thanks :)

Hi,

I think we should stop hijacking this thread with personal attacks and irrelevant issues (perhaps you guys can take this somewhere else?) and get back to the thread topic, shall we? :)

I will be pursuing my bar qualifications in Australia and would like to know if the IETLS is required before you undertake the academic requirements or when you undertake the PLC requirments?

Thanks :)

Sure thing ;)