Hey, now you REALLY started annoying me, I doubt that you will get a job with such an attitude...I am normally a polite and considered individual, hence, you really tried hard! I am Private Equity, I just changed the name because it was becoming very obvious for people with whom I work. My speciality is Private Equity and I am a pretty senior person in this field being a part of senior management for some time. I am only doing LLM because I need additional specialist legal knowledge in turnaround and buyout and do not need LPC etc. However, as we are the ones appointing your Margic Circle firms and the ones paying their bills - they listen to us with their eyes wide open and do whatever we ask them to do...They also invite us for client entertainment events etc,etc...You are clearly clueless about the employment and immigration law in this country and that it is no longer easy to get a work visa. It was never easy but the situation became better for about 2 years about 3 years ago or so. Now the situation is becoming more difficult again...The UK is even planning to make changes to the way it grants citizenship to people, never mind visas...I strongly suggest you reviewing the IND website...The only reason certain universities are attracting high quality foreign students in huge numbers are because they are no longer very popular with top level domestic students and they need your high fees (EU students' fees are 3-times cheaper) to survive as the UK government has cut its universities' funding...And these universities do not help you to get a job - this is very different to the likes of Oxbridge, LSE, LBS etc, where there is a lot of emphasis on helping students out...Please do not tell me anything about LSE as it was the university who found my first graduate job many years ago....I hope this will be the end of your arguing...

There are some interesting/misleading comments on this thread, and I'd like to give my opinion based on my experience:

1. I've attended classes at KCL, LSE, UCL and QMUL on the LLM, and I have to say in my experience QMUL does not have a disproportionate number of Indian students cf. to the other colleges. In fact, I'm hard pushed to recall seeing any Indian students in any of my classes!! The only demographic difference I noticed between the colleges was a high proportion of North American students at LSE.

All the colleges will quite happily bring in as many international students as they possibly can (whether Indians or not) as they will be subject to the exorbitant 'international fees'. Afterall LLMs are cash-cows for ALL unis no matter if were talking Cambridge or Preston Poly.

If any prospective students are really interested in this matter, they can request the information about student demographics via a Freedom of Information request.

Have you (or your company) has done this Banker? And do you make a distinction between the demographics at the CCLS and QM Law School?

2. Im at a loss to see how a high proportion of Indian students would constitute a liability for any law school, or the notion of placing someone. The career destinations of LLM students are not published in any detailed manner, and they are not incorporated into the career destination/graduate employment data that is used on the Times/Guardian rankings. Therefore, law schools dont really give a flying hoot where LLM students end up.

3. When I took the LLM, there were students registered with QM who were working for MC firms and attending the LLM part-time, and some of the international students went on to work in top UK firms (eg Lloyds). Of course, QM LLM (nor other UoL colleges) will not have the success of Oxbridge LLM/BCL students (this is blatantly obvious), but then not everyone is looking for a career in IB or at a MC firm.

4.The UoL colleges usually mark each other's exam scripts, so the standards are generally the same throughout the colleges, so one college wont be an easy ride. Thus, a 70% at KCL will equate to a 70% at LSE, and so on. And to be blunt, the LLM at any London college is not difficult to pass.

5. Recruiters pay very little attention to where you got your LLM, but rather your WHOLE cv/resume. In my experience, the main thing a recruiter will be looking for in an foreign LLM student is language skills and local knowledge from their country that may help them with particular dealings with that country; otherwise, the company will simply employ domestic LLBs. Thus, if students think getting a UK LLM will open a door to an UK career they are sorely mistaken. Eg. the vast majority of LLM students I met from LSE, QM, KCL and SOAS all returned to their own countries, and continued pursuing the career path they were on pre-LLM. An LLM can only be viewed as another string to ones bow at best.

Which firms? I worked wtih Clifford Chance, Linklaters, Freshfields, Jones Day, Nabarro, Cameron McKenna, Noerr Sttieffenhofer Lutz, RKS (now Klein Law) - a major Swiss firm, DL Piper, White & Case. Lovells, Ashurst...I think this is all...Did not work with Slaughter and May, hence, do not know their requirements...As far as your rain-making skills are concerned you really are great at allienating even potential friends (such as myself) you might have had...You know what you can do to test whether you are right or not...Go to the graduate career websites of these firms and go to the section where they present their latest recruits and write down which universities they went to and which countried they were from,..Maybe this will make things more obvious since you seem to love statistics

Hey, now you REALLY started annoying me, I doubt that you will get a job with such an attitude...I am normally a polite and considered individual, hence, you really tried hard! I am Private Equity, I just changed the name because it was becoming very obvious for people with whom I work. My speciality is Private Equity and I am a pretty senior person in this field being a part of senior management for some time. I am only doing LLM because I need additional specialist legal knowledge in turnaround and buyout and do not need LPC etc. However, as we are the ones appointing your Margic Circle firms and the ones paying their bills - they listen to us with their eyes wide open and do whatever we ask them to do...They also invite us for client entertainment events etc,etc...You are clearly clueless about the employment and immigration law in this country and that it is no longer easy to get a work visa. It was never easy but the situation became better for about 2 years about 3 years ago or so. Now the situation is becoming more difficult again...The UK is even planning to make changes to the way it grants citizenship to people, never mind visas...I strongly suggest you reviewing the IND website...The only reason certain universities are attracting high quality foreign students in huge numbers are because they are no longer very popular with top level domestic students and they need your high fees (EU students' fees are 3-times cheaper) to survive as the UK government has cut its universities' funding...And these universities do not help you to get a job - this is very different to the likes of Oxbridge, LSE, LBS etc, where there is a lot of emphasis on helping students out...Please do not tell me anything about LSE as it was the university who found my first graduate job many years ago....I hope this will be the end of your arguing...

ha...ha...that is a joke Banking...! you have always been working in Banking Sector and all....so how come your co-workers are on this website of LLM-Guide...! Didn't I say you will try to come up with kinda explanation...!
And what I am on about is: You are lying and just trying to prove your point. You are feeling bad that young students are more aware about the legal market than you do...I think your ego is hurt..! No wonder you are so annoyed.

You never had one ID....How can you explain the fact that on 2 discussion forums you placed your opinion to contradict me using your both IDs one after the other. If you have changed your ID then why the hell did you post with the other ID on the same Discussion...? This shows that you want to mis-guide students. I think the admin should ban you from LLM-Guide.

nobody asked for your appology anyway. I think you are feeling guilty therefore you mentioned it. Don't worry I forgive you. I think I have proved my point to anyone who reads the entire thread. I am not going to reply to your post anymore (unless it is misleading any student on this forum)

Legal_India: just to confirm that I am not Banking/Private_Equity. But while I do not share all his/her opinion, I think that:
- It was made VERY obvious and clear from previous posts that Banking and Private_Equity are the same person...so you're in the wrong here.
- As much as one would appreciate your devotion to QMUL and as much as everyone is aware that QMUL is better than City, plz understand that you can not compare QMUL to KCL/LSE/UCL

Legal India, you are stubbon indeed even when the truth is staring you in the face :-)
You know what QM is famous for (and also Burmingham and Manchester)? A large number of Indian students, which are generally seen as a liability by other top schools. Not because the students are bad, in fact they are very good and hardworking but because it is nearly impossible to place them in major law firms because of difficulties with getting a work permit to them. There is no shortage of lawyers with Indian heritage in the UK and a law firm will find it impossible to justify why the need another one. And to make the things more difficult for you is all of you guys have more or less the same educational or professional background. For this reason LSE and KCL have reduced their Indian intake or so I have heard...It will make their graduate employment statistics look better....

Ia gtree with you Kerffufle, you just wrote about the fees a minute before I submitted my post...I did not do the study, hence, cannot back my arguments statistically but I got the information from two of the London colleges (I was taking to professors there in terms of a typical class profile for LLM and MBA). I also spoke to quite a number of partners in law firms, since I have to speak to them regularly as per my job, and they confirmed that because of the law they cannot necessary take all the top students they like. Basically, they were choosing the top students out of the ones which were eligible to work in the UK already...I was only helping India out saying that she should make sure she gets the right documentation to be able to compete with EU students...But she clearly did not get the message...

I think you are completely out of the point once again...!
the Link which you show deals with US and it deals with MBA....!
And if I am not mistaken we are discussing UK and we are dealing with LLM course (strictly law oriented course)...!

No point dicussing this link becoz the fundamentals are different..!
I have not seen any person getting rejected unnecessarily for a UK visa for a very long time...Instead I know this guy called Hardik Desai who was rejected a US visa...but this year he was granted a work permit in UK....lol...! This again shows how adamant you are on proving that Indian students are a liability for Universities...!
Banking I would love to meet you when I am in London. And I infront of you I will show you that my Indian batchmates get into the Magic Circle...! And I will see who says they are liability...!
I have always thought londoners are very friendly and I waiting to reach london...! but I think you are an exception who believes that Indians are a liability for the university. Learn to respect all nationalities...!

Further, you are missing the fundamentals...how is it relevant whether there are 100 indian students and or 10 indians...! If there are 5 seats in a law firm....the best 5 students will get through irrespective of localities or Indians or Chinese or Americans....If a forgein law students knows the English laws and if he is better than others why will the firm bother picking up locals...at the same time if a forgein students doing LLM but without any local knowledge will not be considered....it is so obvious....! So how does Indian students come into the picture of being a liability...?
And if you talk about competion...then this competion is between all the foreign students together who are intending to stay back at london...not only between Indian students...(Common Sense...ha..ha..)

Hey little friends do not fight about this,,,im sure it was just a misunderstanding. We are all colleagues here and yes we have different opinions but Im sure its nobody intention to offend anyone.

Have a nice day guys :)

I think the discussion above has given a whole new direction to this post lets try to return to the original idea here.

White_Devil, if youre seeking a crappy LLM, get the (at least) 20,000 to 25,000 pounds youll need to live for one year in the UK and take a sabbatical year to travel around. A crappy LLM will add nothing to CV and youll be just wasting away.

Take the cash and go somewhere you like if you like the countryside and beautiful architecture, go to Europe and travel around... if you like beaches and stuff, go to Australia or Hawaii. I mean, go anywhere, but dont waste money by doing a crappy LLM that wont do you any good in the future. You may think that the LLM (as crappiest as it may be) will look as a good excuse to go live in another country for a year, but if I was you Id just come clean with everybody and say I dont wanna study I just want to travel around. Youll be able to travel much more if you focus on that

Now, if youre really looking for a degree that might enhance your CV and the chances of getting a good job later (whether it be at some law firm in the UK or in your home country or at some university as lectures, researcher or the like), forget about the easiest LLM and go for the top ones - Oxbridge, LSE, KCL, UCL, Edinburgh, Durham, Nottingham, Warwick, QML therere some very good choices that you should try! And they arent really that impossible to get in

Regards,