Jobmarket in general


vampire

How's the jobmarket for lawyers in Europe? It pretty much sucks here in the States.

How's the jobmarket for lawyers in Europe? It pretty much sucks here in the States.
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legaldocs

really? why do you think the EU is better with 10% unemployment in Germany and France. Better try emerging markets in CEE/Russia/Asia

really? why do you think the EU is better with 10% unemployment in Germany and France. Better try emerging markets in CEE/Russia/Asia
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Raxy

Try Georgia... A new emerging state

Try Georgia... A new emerging state
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ramonn

CEE/Russia/Asia

CEE is even better than china or other Asian markets.
I live there, I know, there are many international firms like salans, linklaters, haarmannhemmelrath, the big4 audit firms etc. who open offices and hire foreign lawyers. the opportunities are huge, there is a large number of deals, big deals to be made ... local firms also hire foreign lawyers and they have partnerships with important international firms, permanent and/or project oriented. tough decision but a smart choice as far as I am concerned. "fits the" entry level expectations "profile" ...

<blockquote>CEE/Russia/Asia</blockquote>
CEE is even better than china or other Asian markets.
I live there, I know, there are many international firms like salans, linklaters, haarmannhemmelrath, the big4 audit firms etc. who open offices and hire foreign lawyers. the opportunities are huge, there is a large number of deals, big deals to be made ... local firms also hire foreign lawyers and they have partnerships with important international firms, permanent and/or project oriented. tough decision but a smart choice as far as I am concerned. "fits the" entry level expectations "profile" ...
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Raxy

Can somebody please tell me what is CEE? I know EEC, but never heard of CEE

Can somebody please tell me what is CEE? I know EEC, but never heard of CEE
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norwegian

In Norway the job market is really good. All over unemployment rate approximately 3,7 %, probably even less among lawyers/jurists. Exellent living conditions and social welfare (for example: full salary for one year after birth of a child if you are a woman) and good salaries (myself: associate lawyer, 1,5 years experience, EURO 4,100 (brutto) per month + benefits).

In Norway the job market is really good. All over unemployment rate approximately 3,7 %, probably even less among lawyers/jurists. Exellent living conditions and social welfare (for example: full salary for one year after birth of a child if you are a woman) and good salaries (myself: associate lawyer, 1,5 years experience, EURO 4,100 (brutto) per month + benefits).
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daniel12

In Norway the job market is really good. All over unemployment rate approximately 3,7 %, probably even less among lawyers/jurists. Exellent living conditions and social welfare (for example: full salary for one year after birth of a child if you are a woman) and good salaries (myself: associate lawyer, 1,5 years experience, EURO 4,100 (brutto) per month + benefits).


Well, in Germany everthing is about your grades. Top graduates(best 10%) with an LL.M. degree or a Dr. jur. will earn really good. American firms pay as much as 87.500 Euro plus bonus. Some people have reached a salary of more than 100000 Euro (all brutto) in their first year. The normal salary for top lawyers without other Quaslifications(although fluent English is a must anyway) should be between 70000- 80000 Euro which is not too bad as well. I
On the other hand lawyers with average or bad grades earn not very much and even face problems to find a job at all.
Good middle size firms usually pay 60000 Euros, but there you stand a better chance to become a partner than in the big firms.

<blockquote>In Norway the job market is really good. All over unemployment rate approximately 3,7 %, probably even less among lawyers/jurists. Exellent living conditions and social welfare (for example: full salary for one year after birth of a child if you are a woman) and good salaries (myself: associate lawyer, 1,5 years experience, EURO 4,100 (brutto) per month + benefits). </blockquote>

Well, in Germany everthing is about your grades. Top graduates(best 10%) with an LL.M. degree or a Dr. jur. will earn really good. American firms pay as much as 87.500 Euro plus bonus. Some people have reached a salary of more than 100000 Euro (all brutto) in their first year. The normal salary for top lawyers without other Quaslifications(although fluent English is a must anyway) should be between 70000- 80000 Euro which is not too bad as well. I
On the other hand lawyers with average or bad grades earn not very much and even face problems to find a job at all.
Good middle size firms usually pay 60000 Euros, but there you stand a better chance to become a partner than in the big firms.
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norwegian

Also in Norway the grades are decisive. First of all you have to have quite good grades to get into the law faculty. Then, if your grades are not among the 25 % best, you will probably not get a job in a law firm at all (and in Norway you have to work 2 years after your law degree as an associate lawyer before you get your own licence). But there are lots of interesting jobs in the state as well, even if the most interesting and popular are reserved for the top 5-10 % candidates. But some job you will get, and then you can work yourself up.

Also in Norway the grades are decisive. First of all you have to have quite good grades to get into the law faculty. Then, if your grades are not among the 25 % best, you will probably not get a job in a law firm at all (and in Norway you have to work 2 years after your law degree as an associate lawyer before you get your own licence). But there are lots of interesting jobs in the state as well, even if the most interesting and popular are reserved for the top 5-10 % candidates. But some job you will get, and then you can work yourself up.
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norwegian

Question to Daniel: I'm planning to do a Dr. Iur in Germany or Austria. You mention that candidates with a Dr. or an LLM can expect higher salaries in Germany. Is a Dr. Iur. regarded as better than a LLM, or just different? Do you hold a Dr. degree yourself?

Question to Daniel: I'm planning to do a Dr. Iur in Germany or Austria. You mention that candidates with a Dr. or an LLM can expect higher salaries in Germany. Is a Dr. Iur. regarded as better than a LLM, or just different? Do you hold a Dr. degree yourself?
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