IP law a joke at Goettingen University


Review as a former student.

1. the university has no full-time faculty for the IP course or for IT course. Most of the lecturers are brought in from other universities. In some situation, the faculty are under-qualified.
2. Slow semester pace and basic course. The course is although termed to be LLM, however, the aspects covered in the course are fundamentals related to IP. The course is useless for someone who is interested in the specialization. The semester pace is very slow and the exams are very un-organized.
3. No support for the LIPIT/co-ordinators of the program. This is important for foreign students. The faculty coordinator gives no support w.r.t to university registration, city-related or other student-related issues. The emails are rarely responded after student admission but swiftly responded before admission. Thus, making the course directed to money-making reasons.
4. No German students, in this course. you will find the fact that zero number of German student take admission, as most German does not prefer the LLM program of Gottingen.
5. 16 Weeks for Master thesis evaluation after submission. A student once after the completion of the theory courses, must submit a master thesis. After the master thesis is submitted, the evaluation of this thesis requires 16 Weeks (12 weeks although stated), this is very inconvenient as taking up JOB and residence permit depend on passing certificate from University.

6. The faculty does not suggest, or support in the job or internship support system.

7. Conference. No conference or exchange program in faculty or program

8. Focus most on IT law and data protection elements and product/technology IP or related course hardly in the program. Thus, complete USELESS for Engineers, Scientist, Pharmacist, Lawyers (IP special), and Doctors.

9. Best course are limited to Unfair competition, Competition law, European basic law.

10. Will I recommend: NO. Suggest taking Dresden, MIPLC, Utrecht, CITIP or Queen Mary (UK).

Review as a former student.

1. the university has no full-time faculty for the IP course or for IT course. Most of the lecturers are brought in from other universities. In some situation, the faculty are under-qualified.
2. Slow semester pace and basic course. The course is although termed to be LLM, however, the aspects covered in the course are fundamentals related to IP. The course is useless for someone who is interested in the specialization. The semester pace is very slow and the exams are very un-organized.
3. No support for the LIPIT/co-ordinators of the program. This is important for foreign students. The faculty coordinator gives no support w.r.t to university registration, city-related or other student-related issues. The emails are rarely responded after student admission but swiftly responded before admission. Thus, making the course directed to money-making reasons.
4. No German students, in this course. you will find the fact that zero number of German student take admission, as most German does not prefer the LLM program of Gottingen.
5. 16 Weeks for Master thesis evaluation after submission. A student once after the completion of the theory courses, must submit a master thesis. After the master thesis is submitted, the evaluation of this thesis requires 16 Weeks (12 weeks although stated), this is very inconvenient as taking up JOB and residence permit depend on passing certificate from University.

6. The faculty does not suggest, or support in the job or internship support system.

7. Conference. No conference or exchange program in faculty or program

8. Focus most on IT law and data protection elements and product/technology IP or related course hardly in the program. Thus, complete USELESS for Engineers, Scientist, Pharmacist, Lawyers (IP special), and Doctors.

9. Best course are limited to Unfair competition, Competition law, European basic law.

10. Will I recommend: NO. Suggest taking Dresden, MIPLC, Utrecht, CITIP or Queen Mary (UK).
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Joaquín Su...

thanks for heads up

thanks for heads up
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Thanks moses for your feedback about this program, can you also let us know about the University in general? facilities, services, library, community, the city....
thanks in advance.

Thanks moses for your feedback about this program, can you also let us know about the University in general? facilities, services, library, community, the city....<div><br></div><div>thanks in advance.</div><div><br></div>
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I am a former student of the program, and would have to respectfully disagree.




I found the IT law and IP law aspects of the program to be very strong. I can appreciate that for some it may start slowly, but I appreciated the pace as it ensured that everyone had the same opportunity to build a solid foundation before going into more advanced topics. I found that foundation necessary for me to proceed to the more advanced topics, and to fully benefit from the lectures on those topics. The first semester focused on building the foundation, and the second semester focused on the more advanced topics.




The lecturers of the program in my year included faculty from the University of Göttingen, faculty members of other universities, and many experienced practitioners. I appreciated having the academic perspectives and the practical perspectives together.




I also found the program administration to be very helpful and caring. They often went above and beyond what they needed to do in order to help. There were some delays in getting email responses, but I assumed that they were busy attending to other student inquiries. With respect to starting the program, they prepared and provided literature to assist with the aspects that I needed help with, including registration with the University and with the city. I had to perform the University and city registration myself, but I personally expected that.




With respect to the nationalities of the students in the program, I really appreciated the diversity of nationalities and perspectives. I really held my colleagues in high esteem, and still do. I am not sure how many German national students actually applied to my year, but I am aware that the application process is very competitive, and there is a German national in this year’s program. 




The thesis evaluation did take longer for me as well, but that was during the COVID-19 situation, and although I got my grades in 16 weeks instead of the 12 weeks anticipated, I was grateful that they got to the thesis in spite of the surrounding circumstances. I cannot of course speak to the experiences of others.




With respect to internships, I did ask the program office about internships and was assisted significantly. I was presented with multiple options, and was provided with contact information for persons at companies to discuss the internships. The program office also followed up with me to see how it was progressing, and offered to speak to the contact persons directly to assist with the process.




I did attend 2 conferences during the program, and appreciated both. The conferences were not created by the program specifically for the program, but we were made aware of one conference by the program office, and the other conference by another student in the program.




With respect to course offerings, I found the offerings to be very balanced between IP law and IT law. There were 16 courses offered when I attended. Of the 16 courses, 6 courses were offered specifically on IP law, 6 were offered specifically on IT law, 3 courses were offered that dealt with both IP and IT law, and one course was offered that introduced students to the EU and German legal systems. With respect to the thesis, we could write on IP law, or IT law or intersections between IP law and IT law.




With respect to employment, I found the program to be very helpful in obtaining interviews, performing well on interviews, and in the process of seeking a work permit. The job search process was not easy, and took a lot of work and time, but the program on my CV did attract interest, and the program office did provide assistance whenever I asked for it - usually in suggesting approaches. During interviews, I was questioned and tested strongly on IP law and IT law, and was told that they found my knowledge of IP and IT law to be excellent. The knowledge they challenged me on was knowledge I obtained during the program. With respect to obtaining a work permit, the specialist nature of the program allowed me to apply for an immigration category that I would not be able to apply for otherwise.




I had a very positive experience with the program. 

<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">I am a former student of the program, and would have to respectfully disagree.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">I found the IT law and IP law aspects of the program to be very strong. I can appreciate that for some it may start slowly, but I appreciated the pace as it ensured that everyone had the same opportunity to build a solid foundation before going into more advanced topics. I found that foundation necessary for me to proceed to the more advanced topics, and to fully benefit from the lectures on those topics. The first semester focused on building the foundation, and the second semester focused on the more advanced topics.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">The lecturers of the program in my year included faculty from the University of Göttingen, faculty members of other universities, and many experienced practitioners. I appreciated having the academic perspectives and the practical perspectives together.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">I also found the program administration to be very helpful and caring. They often went above and beyond what they needed to do in order to help. There were some delays in getting email responses, but I assumed that they were busy attending to other student inquiries. With respect to starting the program, they prepared and provided literature to assist with the aspects that I needed help with, including registration with the University and with the city. I had to perform the University and city registration myself, but I personally expected that.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">With respect to the nationalities of the students in the program, I really appreciated the diversity of nationalities and perspectives. I really held my colleagues in high esteem, and still do. I am not sure how many German national students actually applied to my year, but I am aware that the application process is very competitive, and there is a German national in this year’s program.&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">The thesis evaluation did take longer for me as well, but that was during the COVID-19 situation, and although I got my grades in 16 weeks instead of the 12 weeks anticipated, I was grateful that they got to the thesis in spite of the surrounding circumstances. I cannot of course speak to the experiences of others.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">With respect to internships, I did ask the program office about internships and was assisted significantly. I was presented with multiple options, and was provided with contact information for persons at companies to discuss the internships. The program office also followed up with me to see how it was progressing, and offered to speak to the contact persons directly to assist with the process.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">I did attend 2 conferences during the program, and appreciated both. The conferences were not created by the program specifically for the program, but we were made aware of one conference by the program office, and the other conference by another student in the program.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">With respect to course offerings, I found the offerings to be very balanced between IP law and IT law. There were 16 courses offered when I attended. Of the 16 courses, 6 courses were offered specifically on IP law, 6 were offered specifically on IT law, 3 courses were offered that dealt with both IP and IT law, and one course was offered that introduced students to the EU and German legal systems. With respect to the thesis, we could write on IP law, or IT law or intersections between IP law and IT law.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">With respect to employment, I found the program to be very helpful in obtaining interviews, performing well on interviews, and in the process of seeking a work permit. The job search process was not easy, and took a lot of work and time, but the program on my CV did attract interest, and the program office did provide assistance whenever I asked for it - usually in suggesting approaches. During interviews, I was questioned and tested strongly on IP law and IT law, and was told that they found my knowledge of IP and IT law to be excellent. The knowledge they challenged me on was knowledge I obtained during the program. With respect to obtaining a work permit, the specialist nature of the program allowed me to apply for an immigration category that I would not be able to apply for otherwise.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89); min-height: 16px;"><span style="font-kerning: none"></span><br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;; color: rgb(99, 96, 89);"><span style="font-kerning: none">I had a very positive experience with the program.&nbsp;</span></p>
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I am also former student, and I hold very positive review to this program.

There are many lecturers from others, so student can learn IP and IT law no just from one State, but a whole Europe. The program offers European law in first semester, student can choose whether they need this. It helps for the student who is not familiar with European law before they involve many other European IP and IT law.

Course coordinators are quite helpful, they provide many information to me, even some trivia stuff other than course, like where student to hike, or even house renting. There are many jobs for course coordinators, I assume some delay is inevitable, but for urgent question, they never delay.

This program has ambition to bring up new approach to grasping modern IP and IT law. Take blockchain as example, for blockchain developer, it is for sure very fundamental, but it nonetheless helps student to incorporate with law like data protection or copyright.

Overall, I give 5 stars to this program, it is far better than I expect. To the student who has enthusiasm on modern IP and IT law, I would first recommend this program.

I am also former student, and I hold very positive review to this program.<br><br>There are many lecturers from others, so student can learn IP and IT law no just from one State, but a whole Europe. The program offers European law in first semester, student can choose whether they need this. It helps for the student who is not familiar with European law before they involve many other European IP and IT law.<br><br>Course coordinators are quite helpful, they provide many information to me, even some trivia stuff other than course, like where student to hike, or even house renting. There are many jobs for course coordinators, I assume some delay is inevitable, but for urgent question, they never delay.<br><br>This program has ambition to bring up new approach to grasping modern IP and IT law. Take blockchain as example, for blockchain developer, it is for sure very fundamental, but it nonetheless helps student to incorporate with law like data protection or copyright.<br><br>Overall, I give 5 stars to this program, it is far better than I expect. To the student who has enthusiasm on modern IP and IT law, I would first recommend this program.
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I also completed LLM in IP & IT Law at University of Göttingen (in 2019) and this is my first-hand review of the program.


The program itself combined both IP and IT laws, focusing on EU and
international aspects. Among available courses I would like to
highlight Comparative IP Law in the first semester, which covered with
great detail U.S. copyright, trademark and patent laws, and an extensive
Advanced IP Law, focusing on EU regulations and court cases, in the
second semester. Though these courses (and exams) were probably most challenging,
but very solid level of knowledge I was able to obtain during my studies
helped me later do well in an interview at a Munich-based law law firm,
where I eventually got my first job in Germany (in the area of open
source software licensing).


It‘s true that finding internship or job in Germany, especially for
non-EU citizens or without German formal qualifications, is not easy, but
it proved doable for me and many other graduates, and the program coordinators were very
supportive in this. My tip for new students will be just not stop
asking around, first of all, your lecturers, most of whom come from big
companies and reputable consulting and law firms. For example, we had as
lecturers an expert from the European Patent Office in Munich, former head of IT law
unit at Airbus, and senior IP lawyers from big German and global
corporations.


Judging by career advances of many from my class, who found good jobs in Germany or elsewhere in Europe, after the program completion,
this LLM program is really worth of time, money and efforts (and here I have to disagree with my former classmate who started this post).


I’ve completed the program with high scores, my Master 's
work evaluation came in around 3 months (which seems typical for Germany
:-)) just be ready for this), so I have nothing to complain and can only
praise and recommend this LLM program to those interested in EU and
international IP and IT, including EU data protection regulation, and seeking to boost their career.

Stay positive :-))

<div>I also completed LLM in IP &amp; IT Law at University of Göttingen (in 2019) and this is my first-hand review of the program. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The program itself combined both IP and IT laws, focusing on EU and
international aspects. Among available courses I would like to
highlight Comparative IP Law in the first semester, which covered with
great detail U.S. copyright, trademark and patent laws, and an extensive
Advanced IP Law, focusing on EU regulations and court cases, in the
second semester. Though these courses (and exams) were probably most challenging,
but very solid level of knowledge I was able to obtain during my studies
helped me later do well in an interview at a Munich-based law law firm,
where I eventually got my first job in Germany (in the area of open
source software licensing).</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It‘s true that finding internship or job in Germany, especially for
non-EU citizens or without German formal qualifications, is not easy, but
it proved doable for me and many other graduates, and the program coordinators were very
supportive in this. My tip for new students will be just not stop
asking around, first of all, your lecturers, most of whom come from big
companies and reputable consulting and law firms. For example, we had as
lecturers an expert from the European Patent Office in Munich, former head of IT law
unit at Airbus, and senior IP lawyers from big German and global
corporations.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Judging by career advances of many from my class, who found good jobs in Germany or elsewhere in Europe, after the program completion,
this LLM program is really worth of time, money and efforts (and here I have to disagree with my former classmate who started this post).</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I’ve completed the program with high scores, my Master 's
work evaluation came in around 3 months (which seems typical for Germany
:-)) just be ready for this), so I have nothing to complain and can only
praise and recommend this LLM program to those interested in EU and
international IP and IT, including EU data protection regulation, and seeking to boost their career.<br><br>Stay positive :-))<br></div>
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Former student here

I won't agree with all the critics here made but some of them are accurate

The program lack on experience on how to manage the Master. They lack of staff, with just two people managing everything and therefore they are always unresponsive and in a bad mood to answer you. 

However, content is good, just a few professors are not so good and this is just as everything in the academic world 

Despite my critics, I would still recommend it for the content. 


Cheers







Former student here<br><br>I won't agree with all the critics here made but some of them are accurate<br><br>The program lack on experience on how to manage the Master. They lack of staff, with just two people managing everything and therefore they are always unresponsive and in a bad mood to answer you.&nbsp;<br><br>However, content is good, just a few professors are not so good and this is just as everything in the academic world&nbsp;<br><br>Despite my critics, I would still recommend it for the content.&nbsp;<br><br><br>Cheers<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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Thanks for the reply and expression. I do stand with the same opinion,  several of friends although agrees to several points, but differ on few points ( infact, which are the key points). A student seeks:
1. Will I get internship ? or there is any dicotomy ( EU student vs none-EU students)..Answer nil.. 
2. Will the topics /course cover most elements of IP or is restricted or directed to only a particular section say Data protection/IT law.. Answer---- IT guys will love it, IP guys will sleep in class.
3. Why does no German students join the Course ?, Because they dont need it
4. Conference ? are they only related to IT law or Data protection?-- all conference are on IT laws or Data protection... IT Guys you will enjoy... IP wasted
5. Is there any permanent faculty ?  No permanent faculty (except Prof Wiebe, Dr Heidinger and Dr Stoll).. thesis and mentorship is messy,,
6. Master Thesis ? No support and length evaluation, killing time, helpful to EU student. None EU student burn currency on living expenses.

When there are several other possibilty I would recommed people to choose those, come only when you are not set anywhere.. MIPLC is the best in Germany.

Thanks for the reply and expression. I do stand with the same opinion,&nbsp; several of friends although agrees to several points, but differ on few points ( infact,&nbsp;which are the key points). A student seeks:<br>1. Will I get internship ? or there is any dicotomy ( EU student vs none-EU students)..Answer nil..&nbsp;<br>2. Will the topics /course cover most elements of IP or is restricted or directed to only a particular section say Data protection/IT law.. Answer---- IT guys will love it, IP guys will sleep in class.<br>3. Why does no German students join the Course ?, Because they dont need it<br>4. Conference ? are they only related to IT law or Data protection?-- all conference are on IT laws or Data protection... IT Guys you will enjoy... IP wasted<br>5. Is there any permanent faculty ?&nbsp; No permanent faculty (except Prof Wiebe, Dr Heidinger and Dr Stoll).. thesis and mentorship is messy,,<br>6. Master Thesis ? No support and length evaluation, killing time, helpful to EU student. None EU student burn currency on living expenses.<br><br>When there are several other possibilty I would recommed people to choose those, come only when you are not set anywhere.. MIPLC is the best in Germany.
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