LLM & fees


yogi
i've been looking at all the various LLMs in the UK and the costs vary massively (from about £3k to £11k).

Does anyone have any opinion on which offer the best value for money?

And, out of interest, who offers the cheapest LLM by Distance Learning?

Thanks in advance
i've been looking at all the various LLMs in the UK and the costs vary massively (from about £3k to £11k).

Does anyone have any opinion on which offer the best value for money?

And, out of interest, who offers the cheapest LLM by Distance Learning?

Thanks in advance
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yogi
no one got any opinion on the fees at all?

For example,
The Distance Learning LLM in "Innovation, Technology and the Law" at Edinburgh University will set you back £11,000 or about £11,275 if you do it over 2 years.
The LLM in "IT & Telecommunications Law" at Glasgow Graduate School Of Law will cost about £5,100 in total over the 2 years (it doesn't have a 1 year option).
The LLM in "Computer and Communications Law" at at Queen Mary, University of London is £7,800 (it would seem it can be completed in 1, 2 or 3 years).

(i have no particular interest in that particular LLM and use it only as an example)

Now granted they are only broadly similar, and few would argue that the Edinburgh University would lead in terms of 'reputation' - howver, double the cost of another LLM elsewhere, or almost a third more at another university?
no one got any opinion on the fees at all?

For example,
The Distance Learning LLM in "Innovation, Technology and the Law" at Edinburgh University will set you back £11,000 or about £11,275 if you do it over 2 years.
The LLM in "IT & Telecommunications Law" at Glasgow Graduate School Of Law will cost about £5,100 in total over the 2 years (it doesn't have a 1 year option).
The LLM in "Computer and Communications Law" at at Queen Mary, University of London is £7,800 (it would seem it can be completed in 1, 2 or 3 years).

(i have no particular interest in that particular LLM and use it only as an example)

Now granted they are only broadly similar, and few would argue that the Edinburgh University would lead in terms of 'reputation' - howver, double the cost of another LLM elsewhere, or almost a third more at another university?
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yogi
almost 150 views of this thread and no one has any opinion at all?
almost 150 views of this thread and no one has any opinion at all?
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Are you talking about home or overseas fees?
Are you talking about home or overseas fees?
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yogi
UK: those are the UK fees i've quoted
UK: those are the UK fees i've quoted
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Dupree
The University of London External LLM fee currently is £6,040 with pay-as-you-go option. They are offering around 30 specialisations.
The University of London External LLM fee currently is £6,040 with pay-as-you-go option. They are offering around 30 specialisations.
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stevie0
anyone else have a view on this?
anyone else have a view on this?
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GREAT QUESTION. IT SEEMS THEIR ARE MANY NON SERIOUS PEOPLE ON THIS CHAT. I TYPE IN UPPERCASE BECAUSE I PREFER IT AND I ALSO IGNORE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.
I AM LOOKING FOR A CHEAP DISTANCE LEARNING LLM, I WANT A GOOD PROGRAM BUT I AM ALSO REALISTIC IN THE US AND MOST OF THE WORLD AN LLM AND 95 CENTS WONT BUY YOU A CUP OF COFFEE, SAME LIKE MOST MASTERS PROGRAMS, BUT IF YOU LIKE THE FIELD YOU WANT SOMETHING CHEAP AND OF DECENT QUALITY. THE UNIVERSITY OF LONDON PROGRAM SOUNDS GOOD BUT IT IS NOT CHEAP.
GREAT QUESTION. IT SEEMS THEIR ARE MANY NON SERIOUS PEOPLE ON THIS CHAT. I TYPE IN UPPERCASE BECAUSE I PREFER IT AND I ALSO IGNORE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.
I AM LOOKING FOR A CHEAP DISTANCE LEARNING LLM, I WANT A GOOD PROGRAM BUT I AM ALSO REALISTIC IN THE US AND MOST OF THE WORLD AN LLM AND 95 CENTS WONT BUY YOU A CUP OF COFFEE, SAME LIKE MOST MASTERS PROGRAMS, BUT IF YOU LIKE THE FIELD YOU WANT SOMETHING CHEAP AND OF DECENT QUALITY. THE UNIVERSITY OF LONDON PROGRAM SOUNDS GOOD BUT IT IS NOT CHEAP.
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Edinburgh is 5100 pounds for UK/EU citizens so is a great deal for a taught LLM programme...the Distance programme is more expensive at 13000 pounds which is the same fee for overseas students for a taught LLM or the distance programme.
Hope this helps.
Edinburgh is 5100 pounds for UK/EU citizens so is a great deal for a taught LLM programme...the Distance programme is more expensive at 13000 pounds which is the same fee for overseas students for a taught LLM or the distance programme.
Hope this helps.
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yogi
@EDIpostgrad - are you affiliated with the university, or is there a particular reason you are keen to promote them?

Edinburgh is 5100 pounds for UK/EU citizens so is a great deal for a taught LLM programme...the Distance programme is more expensive at 13000 pounds which is the same fee for overseas students for a taught LLM or the distance programme.
Hope this helps.


It's curious that Edinburgh University seems to think that the fact that their course is online, doesn't require them to have any students actually at the university, costs them a lot less to provide the service (i suspect all of the course materials are already online) and the marginal cost of any extra student minimal - is worth an extra £8k.

Although, of course, you can get the course for £11700 if you've studied there before.

Compared to some other Scottish Universities:

Strathclyde - http://www.strath.ac.uk/humanities/courses/law/courses/itt/keyfacts/
LLM in Information Technology and Telecommunications Law - £3000 per annum (x two years) (total of £6,000)

Glasgow - http://www.gla.ac.uk/postgraduate/taught/medicallaw/
MML in Medical Law - £3,750 + £3,750 + £1,000 (three years) (total of £8,500)

Dundee - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/law/idr/index.htm
LLM in International Dispute Resolution - £7,800
(their LL.M. in Healthcare Law and Ethics (for non-lawyers) is £1350 per module) (total of £8,100)

Centre for Energy, Petroleum and Mineral Law and Policy (CEPMLP) - University of Dundee - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/cepmlp/academic/
Their distance learning LLMs include: Mineral Law and Policy; Natural Resources Law and Policy; Petroleum Law and Policy and work out at £10,900
(registration fee of £400, induction free of £1,400, 7 x 20 credit modules at £1,100 each, and dissertation fee of £1,400).

The Robert Gordon University (RGU) - Aberdeen Business School - http://www4.rgu.ac.uk/abs/postgraduate/page.cfm?pge=5543#law
LLM Oil and Gas Law - £8,757
LLM Employment Law & Practice - £8,276
LLM Construction Law and Arbitration - £8,876

I think that's the only distance learning LLMs in Scotland - but anyone can correct me if i'm wrong. The nearest equivalent to Edinburgh's one is Glasgow's MML in Medical Law at £8,500.

I'd be intrigued as to an explanation for a £4,500 premium Edinburgh seems to charge.

Simply put, it's a cash-cow for the University, nothing more, nothing less. It's not about actually teaching anything either - these Distance Learning LLMs are the ones most likely to be chosen by anyone actually practicing law (most solicitors couldn't take time off for a part-time taught LLM, nevermind a full-time one), so that leaves two alternate prospective users - wealthy UK academics or foreign students.

The cost of providing an extra distance learning LLM must be negligible but Edinburgh doesn't even attempt to hide the fact that they are coining it in and seem to think their reputation somehow justifies ridiculous pricing.

@EDIpostgrad - are you affiliated with the university, or is there a particular reason you are keen to promote them?

<blockquote>Edinburgh is 5100 pounds for UK/EU citizens so is a great deal for a taught LLM programme...the Distance programme is more expensive at 13000 pounds which is the same fee for overseas students for a taught LLM or the distance programme.
Hope this helps.</blockquote>

It's curious that Edinburgh University seems to think that the fact that their course is online, doesn't require them to have any students actually at the university, costs them a lot less to provide the service (i suspect all of the course materials are already online) and the marginal cost of any extra student minimal - is worth an extra £8k.

Although, of course, you can get the course for £11700 if you've studied there before.

Compared to some other Scottish Universities:

Strathclyde - http://www.strath.ac.uk/humanities/courses/law/courses/itt/keyfacts/
LLM in Information Technology and Telecommunications Law - £3000 per annum (x two years) (total of £6,000)

Glasgow - http://www.gla.ac.uk/postgraduate/taught/medicallaw/
MML in Medical Law - £3,750 + £3,750 + £1,000 (three years) (total of £8,500)

Dundee - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/law/idr/index.htm
LLM in International Dispute Resolution - £7,800
(their LL.M. in Healthcare Law and Ethics (for non-lawyers) is £1350 per module) (total of £8,100)

Centre for Energy, Petroleum and Mineral Law and Policy (CEPMLP) - University of Dundee - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/cepmlp/academic/
Their distance learning LLMs include: Mineral Law and Policy; Natural Resources Law and Policy; Petroleum Law and Policy and work out at £10,900
(registration fee of £400, induction free of £1,400, 7 x 20 credit modules at £1,100 each, and dissertation fee of £1,400).

The Robert Gordon University (RGU) - Aberdeen Business School - http://www4.rgu.ac.uk/abs/postgraduate/page.cfm?pge=5543#law
LLM Oil and Gas Law - £8,757
LLM Employment Law & Practice - £8,276
LLM Construction Law and Arbitration - £8,876

I think that's the only distance learning LLMs in Scotland - but anyone can correct me if i'm wrong. The nearest equivalent to Edinburgh's one is Glasgow's MML in Medical Law at £8,500.

I'd be intrigued as to an explanation for a £4,500 premium Edinburgh seems to charge.

Simply put, it's a cash-cow for the University, nothing more, nothing less. It's not about actually teaching anything either - these Distance Learning LLMs are the ones most likely to be chosen by anyone actually practicing law (most solicitors couldn't take time off for a part-time taught LLM, nevermind a full-time one), so that leaves two alternate prospective users - wealthy UK academics or foreign students.

The cost of providing an extra distance learning LLM must be negligible but Edinburgh doesn't even attempt to hide the fact that they are coining it in and seem to think their reputation somehow justifies ridiculous pricing.
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Yes, I am a PhD student at the university and did my LLM at Edi as well. A fact I have posted as part of my response many a time on this site. Thus, I respond to questions about the programmes I know about, which is Edinburgh. I think this is the point of this website. I won't give info on other programmes as I have not partaken of their offerings.
Yes, I am a PhD student at the university and did my LLM at Edi as well. A fact I have posted as part of my response many a time on this site. Thus, I respond to questions about the programmes I know about, which is Edinburgh. I think this is the point of this website. I won't give info on other programmes as I have not partaken of their offerings.
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yogi
Yes, I am a PhD student at the university and did my LLM at Edi as well. A fact I have posted as part of my response many a time on this site. Thus, I respond to questions about the programmes I know about, which is Edinburgh. I think this is the point of this website. I won't give info on other programmes as I have not partaken of their offerings.


I too have studied at Edinburgh Uni, however, i am not an academic but have actual legal experience ... unlike a large number of the lecturers in the law school at Edinburgh University - i've always found it curious that those teaching about the law in practice in Scotland, haven't actually practiced law.

And, having studied there, i'm very much of the opinion that they needlessly dine out on their "reputation" with little to continue to merit it.

Everyone tends to seek value of money for most things ... so why not for a LLM
<blockquote>Yes, I am a PhD student at the university and did my LLM at Edi as well. A fact I have posted as part of my response many a time on this site. Thus, I respond to questions about the programmes I know about, which is Edinburgh. I think this is the point of this website. I won't give info on other programmes as I have not partaken of their offerings.
</blockquote>

I too have studied at Edinburgh Uni, however, i am not an academic but have actual legal experience ... unlike a large number of the lecturers in the law school at Edinburgh University - i've always found it curious that those teaching about the law in practice in Scotland, haven't actually practiced law.

And, having studied there, i'm very much of the opinion that they needlessly dine out on their "reputation" with little to continue to merit it.

Everyone tends to seek value of money for most things ... so why not for a LLM
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I, too, have practiced law. Have been qualified for a decade now and spent many years practicing.
This is not the point of the website, to justify why people try to help others by answering questions. I simply responded to the original request.
However, in response to your comment, at Edinburgh (once again only speaking of my experience where I attended/attend school) I suspect you could not disagree that Professors Boyle, Gilmore, Macqueen, etc., do not practice law. Boyle successfully argued before the ICJ last year in Pulp Mills, Gilmore represents the Crown currently in a number of open negotiations, and Macqueen is currently serving as a member of the Scottish Law Commission. No need for me to comment on every 'practicing' lawyer on the faculty but thought I would provide a sample. I think you'll find that the distribution of 'practicing' and purely academic lecturers is of a similiar ratio for most law schools. At least this is my opinion from visiting other institutes for conferences.
To the original thread post, I wish you luck in finding a reasonable deal on an excellent education.
I, too, have practiced law. Have been qualified for a decade now and spent many years practicing.
This is not the point of the website, to justify why people try to help others by answering questions. I simply responded to the original request.
However, in response to your comment, at Edinburgh (once again only speaking of my experience where I attended/attend school) I suspect you could not disagree that Professors Boyle, Gilmore, Macqueen, etc., do not practice law. Boyle successfully argued before the ICJ last year in Pulp Mills, Gilmore represents the Crown currently in a number of open negotiations, and Macqueen is currently serving as a member of the Scottish Law Commission. No need for me to comment on every 'practicing' lawyer on the faculty but thought I would provide a sample. I think you'll find that the distribution of 'practicing' and purely academic lecturers is of a similiar ratio for most law schools. At least this is my opinion from visiting other institutes for conferences.
To the original thread post, I wish you luck in finding a reasonable deal on an excellent education.
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jay shah
hi Guys iam doing c.s (final year).. and along with that iam also doing LLB (3yrs 3rd sem) from nalanda law college. iam planning to do LLM in Uk can u give me your opinon and conditions for applying ??
hi Guys iam doing c.s (final year).. and along with that iam also doing LLB (3yrs 3rd sem) from nalanda law college. iam planning to do LLM in Uk can u give me your opinon and conditions for applying ??
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