after my LLM I'm planning to take bar exam in NY,do you think guys that it won't be good enough for american employer even from top companies
do I need JD after bar exam
Posted Oct 29, 2008 03:27
Posted Dec 02, 2008 20:55
Does anyone have an answer to this question, as I'm in the same position?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted Dec 02, 2008 21:10
Why on earth would you wanna do the LL.M, New York bar then JD in that order? Why not do it in the following order - JD, New York Bar, then LL.M?
Posted Dec 03, 2008 00:04
I'm a practising lawyer in the UK but know nothing of the US legal system or its practises.
I want to do the NY bar exam (with as little study as possible to get me through it) so I would do the LLM to get me up to speed if there is no cheaper and quicker option. I don't need the JD because of my admission to the Supreme Court of England and Wales.
My main concern is that a foreign lawyer with one year (or less) of US study would not be an attractive proposition to a US law firm.
I want to do the NY bar exam (with as little study as possible to get me through it) so I would do the LLM to get me up to speed if there is no cheaper and quicker option. I don't need the JD because of my admission to the Supreme Court of England and Wales.
My main concern is that a foreign lawyer with one year (or less) of US study would not be an attractive proposition to a US law firm.
Posted Dec 03, 2008 00:16
Hi,
That's probably correct as far as UK lawyers wishing to work in the US is concerned. I have friends who have qualified here in the UK and then gone to the US to complete the two-year JD (I know Northwestern do a 2-year JD for lawyers qualified in other jurisdictions) as the US firms don't take the LLM terribly seriously (or at least not as seriously as those law students who have completed the full JD course).
To my mind the main reason for a UK lawyer to complete an LLM would be to gain further specialist knowledge that would be helpful in your chosen specialisation. (At least that's why I've applied to complete an LLM) and then being entitled to sit the NY bar would be more of a bonus.
Otherwise I think the US firms would be interested in recruiting a NY qualified UK lawyer (such as you hope to be) more with a view to you heading back to their London offices after a few years.
PS You know that if you have a UK law degree (as opposed to following the GDL/LPC route) that you don't need to complete an LLM to be eligible to take the NY bar don't you?
That's probably correct as far as UK lawyers wishing to work in the US is concerned. I have friends who have qualified here in the UK and then gone to the US to complete the two-year JD (I know Northwestern do a 2-year JD for lawyers qualified in other jurisdictions) as the US firms don't take the LLM terribly seriously (or at least not as seriously as those law students who have completed the full JD course).
To my mind the main reason for a UK lawyer to complete an LLM would be to gain further specialist knowledge that would be helpful in your chosen specialisation. (At least that's why I've applied to complete an LLM) and then being entitled to sit the NY bar would be more of a bonus.
Otherwise I think the US firms would be interested in recruiting a NY qualified UK lawyer (such as you hope to be) more with a view to you heading back to their London offices after a few years.
PS You know that if you have a UK law degree (as opposed to following the GDL/LPC route) that you don't need to complete an LLM to be eligible to take the NY bar don't you?
Posted Dec 03, 2008 00:23
PS Having reread your post it sounds as if your best bet would be to try and get a job at one of the UK firms in NY...i.e. magic circle firms. They will pay for you to take the bar - colleagues of mine have been given unpaid study leave for this.
You will then avoid the US JD/LLM problem.
A lot of this also depends on what your specialisation is - obviously the situation has changed recently but I know of top US firms that were taking UK lawyers to work in securitisation / cap markts etc without any real experience of US law. The opposite would, of course, be the case for litigators.
Hope this helps - I've had to discover all this for myself.
You will then avoid the US JD/LLM problem.
A lot of this also depends on what your specialisation is - obviously the situation has changed recently but I know of top US firms that were taking UK lawyers to work in securitisation / cap markts etc without any real experience of US law. The opposite would, of course, be the case for litigators.
Hope this helps - I've had to discover all this for myself.
Posted Dec 03, 2008 10:26
Thanks edge_50 for all your comments.
My main motivation is to find work in New York because I fell in love with the place on my travels. With visas being my main obsticle I must get a job in my specialism, law. I specialise in conveyancing and residential property in the UK, which I believe is not that much of a draw for US law firms, so I need to get the bar exam passed and find a new specialism, I guess. Though to be honest, I would work as a legal clerk or assistant to be able to live in NY.
My main motivation is to find work in New York because I fell in love with the place on my travels. With visas being my main obsticle I must get a job in my specialism, law. I specialise in conveyancing and residential property in the UK, which I believe is not that much of a draw for US law firms, so I need to get the bar exam passed and find a new specialism, I guess. Though to be honest, I would work as a legal clerk or assistant to be able to live in NY.
Posted Dec 04, 2008 04:40
Edge_50,
How ironic! I would say almost the same thing abt Paris...though I am currently living in NYC...Perhaps, everyone has its dream places to be...
Best of luck to you!
How ironic! I would say almost the same thing abt Paris...though I am currently living in NYC...Perhaps, everyone has its dream places to be...
Best of luck to you!
Posted Dec 04, 2008 04:42
The previous note was refered to Durham Red's comment...sorry for the confusion!
Posted Dec 04, 2008 10:29
Ah Paris! Yes, that would be my second choice to live.
We've strayed off subject, I think.
We've strayed off subject, I think.
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