NUS LLM 2012-13


rkarthik87

Hi all,

The subsidized fees has been announced for the year.
Please check the link for the fees... The fees has been increased to 23,310 for the year.... PF the link below...

http://law.nus.edu.sg/admissions/fees.html

On the point of credits, to graduate we will need to have 40 credits.... It is only to obtain specialization, at least 24 credits will have to be under the specialization.... That is why "out of possible 40 credits is mentioned"

PF the link as per which 40 credits is mandatory....

http://law.nus.edu.sg/student_matters/grad_prog/ay1112/reginfo_llm.html

On the point of working for 16 hours a week, I agree with Shervyn that it would not be possible.... The option of Athyd on the Research Assistanship would be the only way out as it will have a two fold advantage: 1. Earn some pocket money, 2. Gain additional knowledge for your subjects....

Regards

Hi all,

The subsidized fees has been announced for the year.
Please check the link for the fees... The fees has been increased to 23,310 for the year.... PF the link below...

http://law.nus.edu.sg/admissions/fees.html

On the point of credits, to graduate we will need to have 40 credits.... It is only to obtain specialization, at least 24 credits will have to be under the specialization.... That is why "out of possible 40 credits is mentioned"

PF the link as per which 40 credits is mandatory....

http://law.nus.edu.sg/student_matters/grad_prog/ay1112/reginfo_llm.html

On the point of working for 16 hours a week, I agree with Shervyn that it would not be possible.... The option of Athyd on the Research Assistanship would be the only way out as it will have a two fold advantage: 1. Earn some pocket money, 2. Gain additional knowledge for your subjects....

Regards
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effloresce

Hi, I'm a former LLB student at NUS and want to confirm that shervyn and rkarthik87 are right - everyone needs to do 40 credits, if 24 credits out of the 40 are under a specialization, then you will get the specialization. But everyone has to do 40 credits.

I'll also add that the NUS syllabus is very heavy (depending on which modules you take, of course), and working even a few hours a week will probably be very taxing. On average, a 4 credit module has about 3 hours of class time a week. Every semester, you take 20 credits, which works out to about 15 hours of class time. Most classes are quite interactive and you'll need to do quite a lot of preparation before hand and there may also be presentations, group work, assignments which will take up more time. I would not count on doing any work to earn some money - research assistantships are not all that many or easy to get and tend more to be for the holidays, not term time. (edited to add: and research assistantships only pay approx $10 per hour) But you might want to travel during the holidays!

Also, a word on the job market - it is true that the Singapore job market for lawyers is pretty good compared to other countries, but it is my impression that an NUS LLM does not help very much with employability in local firms, and I do know of previous students who did the LLM and were unable to get even interviews at some of the big firms in Singapore. I think your LLB qualifications are scrutinized more carefully than the LLM. If your only reason for doing an LLM in Singapore is to get a job in Singapore post-graduation, I would advise you to think carefully about the NUS LLM, though it is a great school.

Hi, I'm a former LLB student at NUS and want to confirm that shervyn and rkarthik87 are right - everyone needs to do 40 credits, if 24 credits out of the 40 are under a specialization, then you will get the specialization. But everyone has to do 40 credits.

I'll also add that the NUS syllabus is very heavy (depending on which modules you take, of course), and working even a few hours a week will probably be very taxing. On average, a 4 credit module has about 3 hours of class time a week. Every semester, you take 20 credits, which works out to about 15 hours of class time. Most classes are quite interactive and you'll need to do quite a lot of preparation before hand and there may also be presentations, group work, assignments which will take up more time. I would not count on doing any work to earn some money - research assistantships are not all that many or easy to get and tend more to be for the holidays, not term time. (edited to add: and research assistantships only pay approx $10 per hour) But you might want to travel during the holidays!

Also, a word on the job market - it is true that the Singapore job market for lawyers is pretty good compared to other countries, but it is my impression that an NUS LLM does not help very much with employability in local firms, and I do know of previous students who did the LLM and were unable to get even interviews at some of the big firms in Singapore. I think your LLB qualifications are scrutinized more carefully than the LLM. If your only reason for doing an LLM in Singapore is to get a job in Singapore post-graduation, I would advise you to think carefully about the NUS LLM, though it is a great school.
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athyd

Thanks Efflor.....this removes lots of confusion....

Thanks Efflor.....this removes lots of confusion....
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rkarthik87

Agree with Efflor... Infact not only LLB grades but even work experience would count...

The thing is that LLM is always a risky affair with any university... But I believe that at NUS the risk is lower...

Agree with Efflor... Infact not only LLB grades but even work experience would count...

The thing is that LLM is always a risky affair with any university... But I believe that at NUS the risk is lower...
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rkarthik87

Any more offers???
Any one heard on scholarship??

Any more offers???
Any one heard on scholarship??
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athyd

Hi karthik.....so r u gonna opt for LLM general or CFSl....?

Hi karthik.....so r u gonna opt for LLM general or CFSl....?
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rkarthik87

Hi karthik.....so r u gonna opt for LLM general or CFSl....?


CFSL... As such the subjects which I wanna study are a part of CFSL... So will be easier for me to get my choices....

<blockquote>Hi karthik.....so r u gonna opt for LLM general or CFSl....?</blockquote>

CFSL... As such the subjects which I wanna study are a part of CFSL... So will be easier for me to get my choices....
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athyd

But isnt it that in case of General the option is much wider...?

But isnt it that in case of General the option is much wider...?
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rkarthik87

It is wider... But then I will not be given preferences for the subjects which I wanna study... A classic example of this is I can select IP subjects too but I have not idea about IPR... As in academically I managed to pass but have not bothered to go beyond that... have some interest in Marine but again the subjects of CFSL are more appealing to me....

It is wider... But then I will not be given preferences for the subjects which I wanna study... A classic example of this is I can select IP subjects too but I have not idea about IPR... As in academically I managed to pass but have not bothered to go beyond that... have some interest in Marine but again the subjects of CFSL are more appealing to me....
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athyd

oh okie...got it...all d best dude....:-)

oh okie...got it...all d best dude....:-)
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sdas

Hi,

I have got an offer in the Corporate and Financial Services Law program. I am new to this forum and am finding the information shared here extremely useful.
I had a naive question - Why is that subsidized programs (e.g. - Corporate Law) have higher tuition fees than the self funding ones (e.g. - Asian Legal Studies and IBL)? Is it because of the course structure?
The post by effloresce was very helpful. Does anyone have some idea about placements of previous batches? I saw some alumni from India who studied CFSL working in India after their LLMs. It will be great if someone could throw some light on post LLM prospects.

Hi,

I have got an offer in the Corporate and Financial Services Law program. I am new to this forum and am finding the information shared here extremely useful.
I had a naive question - Why is that subsidized programs (e.g. - Corporate Law) have higher tuition fees than the self funding ones (e.g. - Asian Legal Studies and IBL)? Is it because of the course structure?
The post by effloresce was very helpful. Does anyone have some idea about placements of previous batches? I saw some alumni from India who studied CFSL working in India after their LLMs. It will be great if someone could throw some light on post LLM prospects.
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effloresce

I'm glad that my post was helpful :) I don't think I can be very helpful on placements of previous batches as I'm not sure if there are any statistics available and I don't know many LLM students.

However, the course structure should be the same for all, regardless of specialization, so I don't think this is the reason for any difference in course fees. It may be that it is linked to perceived post-graduation prospects.

I'm glad that my post was helpful :) I don't think I can be very helpful on placements of previous batches as I'm not sure if there are any statistics available and I don't know many LLM students.

However, the course structure should be the same for all, regardless of specialization, so I don't think this is the reason for any difference in course fees. It may be that it is linked to perceived post-graduation prospects.
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Dear Ansh...
Congrats on the offer.....that makes it you, me, rk and shervyn......for LLM General....the fee is about 22500 SD...and about 6000 to 8000 SD for the stay depending on the comfort zone u r looking for.....rest of the expenses would be about 8K to 10 SD depending on ur propensity to spend....


Hi! I also got into LLM General so I'll see you all in August! Do any of you know around how many hours a week, on average, will our classes be considering the 40-unit workload? It's a bit disheartening to know that job prospects in Singapore after an LLM in NUS remain uncertain. Although I really plan to go back to work in my country, I was hoping for at least a short stint in Singapore just for the experience of working in another jurisdiction.

<blockquote>Dear Ansh...
Congrats on the offer.....that makes it you, me, rk and shervyn......for LLM General....the fee is about 22500 SD...and about 6000 to 8000 SD for the stay depending on the comfort zone u r looking for.....rest of the expenses would be about 8K to 10 SD depending on ur propensity to spend....</blockquote>

Hi! I also got into LLM General so I'll see you all in August! Do any of you know around how many hours a week, on average, will our classes be considering the 40-unit workload? It's a bit disheartening to know that job prospects in Singapore after an LLM in NUS remain uncertain. Although I really plan to go back to work in my country, I was hoping for at least a short stint in Singapore just for the experience of working in another jurisdiction.
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effloresce

A 40 unit workload is spread over 2 semesters (Aug - Dec, Jan - April/May), so 20 units per semester. Modules are either 4 credits or 8 credits. Class time for a 4 credit module is usually 3 hours a week (either in 1 block of 3 hrs or 2 blocks of 1.5, but usually the former), and 6 hours for a 4 credit module (usually 3 blocks of 2 hours each), so you should expect 15 hours of class time per week.

A 40 unit workload is spread over 2 semesters (Aug - Dec, Jan - April/May), so 20 units per semester. Modules are either 4 credits or 8 credits. Class time for a 4 credit module is usually 3 hours a week (either in 1 block of 3 hrs or 2 blocks of 1.5, but usually the former), and 6 hours for a 4 credit module (usually 3 blocks of 2 hours each), so you should expect 15 hours of class time per week.
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Thanks a lot for the quick post, effloresce. It's very helpful. 15 hours of class time appears quite manageable although of course I'd still have to factor in the time spent reading, group meetings, and research, among others. I've heard that the program is intense. Nonetheless, that still seems a bit less taxing than my schedule in law school proper where I had no weekends;)

Thanks a lot for the quick post, effloresce. It's very helpful. 15 hours of class time appears quite manageable although of course I'd still have to factor in the time spent reading, group meetings, and research, among others. I've heard that the program is intense. Nonetheless, that still seems a bit less taxing than my schedule in law school proper where I had no weekends;)
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effloresce

It's quite a lot more taxing than it sounds, haha. You also have to factor in time trying to find materials and download/photocopy them, which will take time to get used to at the start. Add on assignments, class presentations, groupwork (depending on the assessment format of the classes you choose), and bear in mind that many classes are not run in a lecture style format but more of an interactive basis where you are expected to have read the materials and be ready to discuss. I didn't have any weekends either!

It's quite a lot more taxing than it sounds, haha. You also have to factor in time trying to find materials and download/photocopy them, which will take time to get used to at the start. Add on assignments, class presentations, groupwork (depending on the assessment format of the classes you choose), and bear in mind that many classes are not run in a lecture style format but more of an interactive basis where you are expected to have read the materials and be ready to discuss. I didn't have any weekends either!
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rkarthik87

It's quite a lot more taxing than it sounds, haha. You also have to factor in time trying to find materials and download/photocopy them, which will take time to get used to at the start. Add on assignments, class presentations, groupwork (depending on the assessment format of the classes you choose), and bear in mind that many classes are not run in a lecture style format but more of an interactive basis where you are expected to have read the materials and be ready to discuss. I didn't have any weekends either!


I can understand that.... Infact this the best part about NUS... That u always do not have to be evaluated as per the stereo type process of examination.... It gives an opportunity to learn and research more on a regular basis than last minute preparations...

<blockquote>It's quite a lot more taxing than it sounds, haha. You also have to factor in time trying to find materials and download/photocopy them, which will take time to get used to at the start. Add on assignments, class presentations, groupwork (depending on the assessment format of the classes you choose), and bear in mind that many classes are not run in a lecture style format but more of an interactive basis where you are expected to have read the materials and be ready to discuss. I didn't have any weekends either! </blockquote>

I can understand that.... Infact this the best part about NUS... That u always do not have to be evaluated as per the stereo type process of examination.... It gives an opportunity to learn and research more on a regular basis than last minute preparations...
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athyd

Txs Efflor....keep posting...find it extremely useful...its almost like being back in the school the way you are presenting....LOL....very useful....can u also let us know how the credit system actually works....

Txs Efflor....keep posting...find it extremely useful...its almost like being back in the school the way you are presenting....LOL....very useful....can u also let us know how the credit system actually works....
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India

Just wrote my last exam and now DONE with LLM maritime law at NUS.
Loved every bit of it..bt all u guys who are coming in this year...be prepared to work hard.very very hard!!

THOSE WHO GOT AN OFFER FOR MARITIME LAW...I CAN GIVE U MY NOTES!!

printing xeroxing too expensive and u need to print and photocopy a lot...so i suggest try to take notes of previous llm students :)

Just wrote my last exam and now DONE with LLM maritime law at NUS.
Loved every bit of it..bt all u guys who are coming in this year...be prepared to work hard.very very hard!!

THOSE WHO GOT AN OFFER FOR MARITIME LAW...I CAN GIVE U MY NOTES!!

printing xeroxing too expensive and u need to print and photocopy a lot...so i suggest try to take notes of previous llm students :)
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shervyn

Hi. Does anyone have an idea, as to how is the payment of fees is to be made? Do we have to pay once for the entire year or do we have to pay semester wise?
Thanks for the previous post. I believe by now all of us are surely aware that we have to actually slog out there n I'm sure we would not at all have time to even think about any part time job. However the outcome is going to be worth it.

Hi. Does anyone have an idea, as to how is the payment of fees is to be made? Do we have to pay once for the entire year or do we have to pay semester wise?
Thanks for the previous post. I believe by now all of us are surely aware that we have to actually slog out there n I'm sure we would not at all have time to even think about any part time job. However the outcome is going to be worth it.
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