Upenn vs UCLA


Mistake
Hi everybody,

It s time to make a decision....between UCLA and UPenn!

Is anyone also facing that terrible choice?

I understand that UPenn has a better ranking.

That said, which of them offer the best job opportunities after the LL.M. ?

UCLA seems to be more pro-active in that field with the West Coast job fair and the participation to the NYU job fair. Is that correct? Does anyone experience this?

Please comment. Any opinion is welcomed.
Hi everybody,

It s time to make a decision....between UCLA and UPenn!

Is anyone also facing that terrible choice?

I understand that UPenn has a better ranking.

That said, which of them offer the best job opportunities after the LL.M. ?

UCLA seems to be more pro-active in that field with the West Coast job fair and the participation to the NYU job fair. Is that correct? Does anyone experience this?

Please comment. Any opinion is welcomed.



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Gregor2009
I agree with you that UPenn has a better ranking.

Do you intend to live in Pennsylvania? Do they let LLM graduates take the Bar Exam there? My memory says the answer is no...

If employment is your objective then I would think UCLA would be better - you can take the bar exam thereafter and then work there. You get to meet me at UCLA too :P

Cheers,
G
I agree with you that UPenn has a better ranking.

Do you intend to live in Pennsylvania? Do they let LLM graduates take the Bar Exam there? My memory says the answer is no...

If employment is your objective then I would think UCLA would be better - you can take the bar exam thereafter and then work there. You get to meet me at UCLA too :P

Cheers,
G
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Mistake
Thanks for your input.

I definitely intend to live in Philadephie in view of the prices of the housing, in comparison with NY for example.

My objective would be NY bar and not the Penn Bar, which is - as you mentioned - not open to foreign educated lawyers.

Regarding job opportunity, I am more confident with the East Coast, in particular for European Lawyers. I might be wrong but it s the feedback I have got from expatriates.
Thanks for your input.

I definitely intend to live in Philadephie in view of the prices of the housing, in comparison with NY for example.

My objective would be NY bar and not the Penn Bar, which is - as you mentioned - not open to foreign educated lawyers.

Regarding job opportunity, I am more confident with the East Coast, in particular for European Lawyers. I might be wrong but it s the feedback I have got from expatriates.



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erich
What's so 'terrible' about these choices? Havard/Yale is a 'terrible' choice, CLS/NYU is a 'terrible' choice. Penn/UCLA?
What's so 'terrible' about these choices? Havard/Yale is a 'terrible' choice, CLS/NYU is a 'terrible' choice. Penn/UCLA?
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Mistake
You mean that, according to you, the answer is clear?
You mean that, according to you, the answer is clear?


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nicolas_a
even though ucla campus is praised here & there, I'd pick upenn
even though ucla campus is praised here & there, I'd pick upenn
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as_llm
I'd go for UPenn!
I'd go for UPenn!
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Gab2009
i think it all depends what kind of life you want to have during this year!
Upenn is better ranked but I am not sure if it is enough!!

both are great schools, but personaly, I hate philladelphia and love UCLA! Your LLM year has to be a complete experience and you have to feel good about your school, classmates, place you are living in..everything!
I got why it is such a hard decision for you because it would probabily be very hard for me too...

i think i would choose UCLA over UPENN even with all the ranking stuf going on...I do believe that we, international students, put much more weight on it than Americans do. Of course it is important...but top school is top school and it is all what matters in my opinion!
Pick the one you are going to feel happy about it!
cheerss!
i think it all depends what kind of life you want to have during this year!
Upenn is better ranked but I am not sure if it is enough!!

both are great schools, but personaly, I hate philladelphia and love UCLA! Your LLM year has to be a complete experience and you have to feel good about your school, classmates, place you are living in..everything!
I got why it is such a hard decision for you because it would probabily be very hard for me too...

i think i would choose UCLA over UPENN even with all the ranking stuf going on...I do believe that we, international students, put much more weight on it than Americans do. Of course it is important...but top school is top school and it is all what matters in my opinion!
Pick the one you are going to feel happy about it!
cheerss!
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erich
i think it all depends what kind of life you want to have during this year!
Upenn is better ranked but I am not sure if it is enough!!

both are great schools, but personaly, I hate philladelphia and love UCLA! Your LLM year has to be a complete experience and you have to feel good about your school, classmates, place you are living in..everything!
I got why it is such a hard decision for you because it would probabily be very hard for me too...

i think i would choose UCLA over UPENN even with all the ranking stuf going on...I do believe that we, international students, put much more weight on it than Americans do. Of course it is important...but top school is top school and it is all what matters in my opinion!
Pick the one you are going to feel happy about it!
cheerss!


On the contrary, it's the Americans who put the most emphasis on ranking. The first law school ranking was made in America. And the concept of T14 was also born by American law students and professionals. But the rankings are not based solely on reputation. They are the result of many factors including job placement, bar passage rate, teaching quality, peer assessment, and many other factors that will influence your career well beyond your school dayz. Choose wisely.
<blockquote>i think it all depends what kind of life you want to have during this year!
Upenn is better ranked but I am not sure if it is enough!!

both are great schools, but personaly, I hate philladelphia and love UCLA! Your LLM year has to be a complete experience and you have to feel good about your school, classmates, place you are living in..everything!
I got why it is such a hard decision for you because it would probabily be very hard for me too...

i think i would choose UCLA over UPENN even with all the ranking stuf going on...I do believe that we, international students, put much more weight on it than Americans do. Of course it is important...but top school is top school and it is all what matters in my opinion!
Pick the one you are going to feel happy about it!
cheerss!</blockquote>

On the contrary, it's the Americans who put the most emphasis on ranking. The first law school ranking was made in America. And the concept of T14 was also born by American law students and professionals. But the rankings are not based solely on reputation. They are the result of many factors including job placement, bar passage rate, teaching quality, peer assessment, and many other factors that will influence your career well beyond your school dayz. Choose wisely.
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xdude
I agree college is not just ranked like that they do take into account the progress made by the college in all aspects like cirriculum, job placements, bar clearance etc. before ranking it. Therefore, we can see that many colleges in US share a common number in ranking if they are at par with each other. So rankings, are important, its not completely immaterial.

The decision to choose a law school is different for different people. Some people are very focused on the class size, location and scholarship before deciding on the college...so ranking at times doesnot matter too much for them. Thats a different issue all together.

Of course, UCLA is a good school, there is no doubt abt it. But anyways, my personal opinion is that If I were you I would go for UPenn and not UCLA. There is a big gap between 7 and 16.

All the Best!
I agree college is not just ranked like that they do take into account the progress made by the college in all aspects like cirriculum, job placements, bar clearance etc. before ranking it. Therefore, we can see that many colleges in US share a common number in ranking if they are at par with each other. So rankings, are important, its not completely immaterial.

The decision to choose a law school is different for different people. Some people are very focused on the class size, location and scholarship before deciding on the college...so ranking at times doesnot matter too much for them. Thats a different issue all together.

Of course, UCLA is a good school, there is no doubt abt it. But anyways, my personal opinion is that If I were you I would go for UPenn and not UCLA. There is a big gap between 7 and 16.

All the Best!

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MAP2009
both schools are good. I guess if you want to major in entertainment law UCLA is the one for ya. ;) If Corporate UPenn. If you like nice weather UCLA, if you like culture UPenn (NY close by). It really depends on what you want to do during this year and what you want to accomplish.
But, personally I would go to UPenn if I were you. Its great university with an ivy league flair :)
both schools are good. I guess if you want to major in entertainment law UCLA is the one for ya. ;) If Corporate UPenn. If you like nice weather UCLA, if you like culture UPenn (NY close by). It really depends on what you want to do during this year and what you want to accomplish.
But, personally I would go to UPenn if I were you. Its great university with an ivy league flair :)
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