Rank following Universities


I request you guys to rank (along with reasons) from 1 to 7 following universities especially for international student i.e. Pakistan:


Penn

Virginia

Georgetown

Duke

California, Berkeley

Michigan

Cornell

Following factor must be taken in consideration:
Prestige
Easiest to get admission.

[Edited by Sarang Shaikh on Sep 30, 2023]

I request you guys to rank (along with reasons) from 1 to 7 following universities especially for international student i.e. Pakistan:<br><br>
Penn<br>
Virginia<br>
Georgetown<br>
Duke<br>
California, Berkeley<br>
Michigan<br>
Cornell<br><br>Following factor must be taken in consideration:<br>Prestige<br>Easiest to get admission.
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Inactive User

1. California, Berkeley
2. Cornell
3. Duke
4. Georgetown
5. Michigan
6. Penn
7. Virginia


Reasons

I applied a weighting of zero to the mandatory factors 'Prestige' and 'Easiest to get admission'. I applied a weighting of 100 to my chosen factor 'Alphabetical order'.

1. California, Berkeley<br>2. Cornell<br>3. Duke<br>4. Georgetown<br>5. Michigan<br>6. Penn<br>7. Virginia<br><br><br>Reasons<br><br>I applied a weighting of zero to the mandatory factors 'Prestige' and 'Easiest to get admission'. I applied a weighting of 100 to my chosen factor 'Alphabetical order'.
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balloonlaw

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Georgetown
4. Cornell
5. Penn
6. California, Berkeley
7. Michigan


Reasons

I applied a weighting of 100 to my chosen factor ‘coolest sounding names.’

1. Duke<br>2. Virginia<br>3. Georgetown<br>4. Cornell<br>5. Penn<br>6. California, Berkeley<br>7. Michigan<br><br><br>Reasons<br><br>I applied a weighting of 100 to my chosen factor ‘coolest sounding names.’
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QuantVQual

There are two lists here fundamentally. 

List One:
Virginia
Michigan 
Penn
Duke
Cornell

List Two:
Berkeley
Georgetown

List One are inheritors of the Yale Model. Programs under 50 students and integrated into mainstream resources. To the degree they do this well, you can rely on quality rankings of the law school and university. 

List two are inheritors of the Harvard model, but it's better to call it the Georgetown model. Large programs over 100, with some separate resources and integration based on individual merit. 

There is a third model, mega programs, segregated and prestigious in name only. Luckily you have none of those listed here. You are in good shape with your list here: little prestige-quality tradeoff. 

There are two lists here fundamentally.&nbsp;<br><br>List One:<br>Virginia<br>Michigan&nbsp;<br>Penn<br>Duke<br>Cornell<br><br>List Two:<br>Berkeley<br>Georgetown<br><br>List One are inheritors of the Yale Model. Programs under 50 students and integrated into mainstream resources. To the degree they do this well, you can rely on quality rankings of the law school and university.&nbsp;<br><br>List two are inheritors of the Harvard model, but it's better to call it the Georgetown model. Large programs over 100, with some separate resources and integration based on individual merit.&nbsp;<br><br>There is a third model, mega programs, segregated and prestigious in name only. Luckily you have none of those listed here. You are in good shape with your list here: little prestige-quality tradeoff.&nbsp;
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QuantVQual

You said universities. I am assuming you are talking about LLM programs. World University and US Law School rankings are well known and publicized. Unfortunately there are no rankings of LLM programs so we have to rely on crowdsourced info and the schools' representations about their enrollments and program model. For context, Yale maintains an LLM program of 35 students and provides full resources of the law school, Harvard does well with 200 because of a massive application pool and selectivity. Any school after that, T14 or not, you should probably prefer the Yale model. This is my informal survey of the few top programs following the higher quality but endangered Yale Model plus the few Harvard sized programs where there is no reported diminishment in quality of experience. 1. Yale U  2. UTexas, Virginia (tied), 3. Michigan. Boston College (tied) 4. Chicago, WashU, Notre Dame (tied) 5. Stanford, Harvard (tied) 6. UC-Irvine, Emory (tied) 7. Columbia, NYU, UPenn (tied) 8. UNC-Chapel Hill, 9  Cornell, Wake Forest, University of Minnesota (tied) 10. University of Florida and University of Georgia. Some of the tied schools are apples and oranges so do your research. The weights here are heavily toward provision of mainstream institutional resources (the stuff you see on the US News rankings) to LLM students equally, with law school and university prestige accounting for no more than 20 percent, except an additional weight for schools in the top 7, whose name leads to higher satisfaction and toleration of any tradeoffs and disparities. 

[Edited by QuantVQual on Oct 03, 2023]

You said universities. I am assuming you are talking about LLM programs. World University and US Law School rankings are well known and publicized. Unfortunately there are no rankings of LLM programs so we have to rely on crowdsourced info and the schools' representations about their enrollments and program model. For context, Yale maintains an LLM program of 35 students and provides full resources of the law school, Harvard does well with 200 because of a massive application pool and selectivity. Any school after that, T14 or not, you should probably prefer the Yale model. This is my informal survey of the few top programs following the higher quality but endangered Yale Model plus the few Harvard sized programs where there is no reported diminishment in quality of experience. 1. Yale U&nbsp; 2. UTexas, Virginia (tied), 3. Michigan. Boston College (tied) 4. Chicago, WashU, Notre Dame (tied) 5. Stanford, Harvard (tied) 6. UC-Irvine, Emory (tied) 7. Columbia, NYU, UPenn (tied) 8. UNC-Chapel Hill, 9&nbsp; Cornell, Wake Forest, University of Minnesota (tied) 10. University of Florida and University of Georgia. Some of the tied schools are apples and oranges so do your research. The weights here are heavily toward provision of mainstream institutional resources (the stuff you see on the US News rankings) to LLM students equally, with law school and university prestige accounting for no more than 20 percent, except an additional weight for schools in the top 7, whose name leads to higher satisfaction and toleration of any tradeoffs and disparities.&nbsp;
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If you're talking about prestige then definitely Georgetown. It may possibly be one of the most underrated of the law schools taking into consideration opportunities, network, generosity with regard to funding, renowned faculty, and versatility with regard to your practice after.

I personally did my LLM at Columbia which was not on your list which was a great experience all together for me but since it is not on your list, I am focusing in on Georgetown based mostly on my colleagues that went to the school and continued on in firms, organizations, and corporations both in the East Coast and actually around the world.

Afterwards maybe Berkeley, Penn, Michigan, Duke, Virginia, Cornell. But pretty much a close fight. At the end of the day, it will also depend on what best fits you and your plans so really look into class size, location, and where you believe you fit in the most! Good luck!

If you're talking about prestige then definitely Georgetown. It may possibly be one of the most underrated of the law schools taking into consideration opportunities, network, generosity with regard to funding, renowned faculty, and versatility with regard to your practice after.

I personally did my LLM at Columbia which was not on your list which was a great experience all together for me but since it is not on your list, I am focusing in on Georgetown based mostly on my colleagues that went to the school and continued on in firms, organizations, and corporations both in the East Coast and actually around the world.

Afterwards maybe Berkeley, Penn, Michigan, Duke, Virginia, Cornell. But pretty much a close fight. At the end of the day, it will also depend on what best fits you and your plans so really look into class size, location, and where you believe you fit in the most! Good luck!
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Inactive User

If you're talking about prestige then definitely Georgetown. It may possibly be one of the most underrated of the law schools taking into consideration opportunities, network, generosity with regard to funding, renowned faculty, and versatility with regard to your practice after.

I personally did my LLM at Columbia which was not on your list which was a great experience all together for me but since it is not on your list, I am focusing in on Georgetown based mostly on my colleagues that went to the school and continued on in firms, organizations, and corporations both in the East Coast and actually around the world.

Afterwards maybe Berkeley, Penn, Michigan, Duke, Virginia, Cornell. But pretty much a close fight. At the end of the day, it will also depend on what best fits you and your plans so really look into class size, location, and where you believe you fit in the most! Good luck!


@luxlawyer96, you said elsewhere that you did your LLM at NYU


"I personally finished my LLM at NYU last year"


https://llm-guide.com/board/usa/llm-nyu-v-georgetown-220214

So was it Columbia or NYU?

[quote]If you're talking about prestige then definitely Georgetown. It may possibly be one of the most underrated of the law schools taking into consideration opportunities, network, generosity with regard to funding, renowned faculty, and versatility with regard to your practice after.

I personally did my LLM at Columbia which was not on your list which was a great experience all together for me but since it is not on your list, I am focusing in on Georgetown based mostly on my colleagues that went to the school and continued on in firms, organizations, and corporations both in the East Coast and actually around the world.

Afterwards maybe Berkeley, Penn, Michigan, Duke, Virginia, Cornell. But pretty much a close fight. At the end of the day, it will also depend on what best fits you and your plans so really look into class size, location, and where you believe you fit in the most! Good luck!
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@luxlawyer96, you said elsewhere that you did your LLM at NYU

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"I personally finished my LLM at NYU last year"
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https://llm-guide.com/board/usa/llm-nyu-v-georgetown-220214

So was it Columbia or NYU?</div>
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