Hey guys, I've been admitted by NYU and UVA, and both without scholarships. Now it is really hard for me to make choices...
Following are some of my considerations:
Location: NYU gets the credit for most people for there are more opportunities and more information. While I'mnot sure if it's important because it seems LLMs are extremly hard to get jobs or internships in the US, even in the super big cities, is it right?
Rankings: NYU ranks higher than UVA and it is much more famous inChina.
Expenses: NYU is much more expensive.
Policy: UVA has the transfer-to-JD policy while NYU doesn't, though it is very very hard.
Class profile:NYU enrolls more than 450 people every year and the LLMs have classes without JD students. While UVA has around 40 and the LLMs have classes with JDs.
So taking all above into consideration(especially the location and class profile factors), which one do you think is better?
Thanks!
NYU or UVA?
Posted Mar 03, 2010 09:50
Following are some of my considerations:
Location: NYU gets the credit for most people for there are more opportunities and more information. While I'mnot sure if it's important because it seems LLMs are extremly hard to get jobs or internships in the US, even in the super big cities, is it right?
Rankings: NYU ranks higher than UVA and it is much more famous inChina.
Expenses: NYU is much more expensive.
Policy: UVA has the transfer-to-JD policy while NYU doesn't, though it is very very hard.
Class profile:NYU enrolls more than 450 people every year and the LLMs have classes without JD students. While UVA has around 40 and the LLMs have classes with JDs.
So taking all above into consideration(especially the location and class profile factors), which one do you think is better?
Thanks!
Posted Mar 05, 2010 16:38
Depends on what elements are most important for you. I am at UVA and happy about it.
Reason ia that I prefer it over NYU:
- I did not want to be in NY: too big, too expensive
- 450 LLMs
Charlottesville is an amazing city with a great climate, but if you like to live in a large city, you might find it a bit boring.
Our 38 LLMs only have classes with JD students, with all the advantages: treated as a JD, contact with JDs, etc.
UVA has got many other advantages, such as a lot of specialized courses with very small group. At the moment I am in "Transactional Approach to M&A" with 12 other students. The course is taught by two partners of Skadden NY, who fly over every two weeks. Amazing course!
Reason ia that I prefer it over NYU:
- I did not want to be in NY: too big, too expensive
- 450 LLMs
Charlottesville is an amazing city with a great climate, but if you like to live in a large city, you might find it a bit boring.
Our 38 LLMs only have classes with JD students, with all the advantages: treated as a JD, contact with JDs, etc.
UVA has got many other advantages, such as a lot of specialized courses with very small group. At the moment I am in "Transactional Approach to M&A" with 12 other students. The course is taught by two partners of Skadden NY, who fly over every two weeks. Amazing course!
Posted Mar 05, 2010 20:54
Just a clarification that may help in your decision:
NYU does have two or three classes that are for LLMs only, but it doesn't mean you are supposed to take these classes. I personally got enrolled in 3 seminars while at NYU (no more than 22 students in each) and there is always a good mix between LLMs and JDs. Also, apart from language skills, you will find out that your LLM classmates are more experienced and more interesting than the JDs, who don't have the same legal background that you and the other LLMs already have. I am sure that life at UVA is great (the same applying to HLS, YLS, CLS, Chicago and so forth), but life in the Village is second to none, I can assure you that. Finally, you have outstanding professors around here as well, that is certainly not a problem for NYU...
NYU does have two or three classes that are for LLMs only, but it doesn't mean you are supposed to take these classes. I personally got enrolled in 3 seminars while at NYU (no more than 22 students in each) and there is always a good mix between LLMs and JDs. Also, apart from language skills, you will find out that your LLM classmates are more experienced and more interesting than the JDs, who don't have the same legal background that you and the other LLMs already have. I am sure that life at UVA is great (the same applying to HLS, YLS, CLS, Chicago and so forth), but life in the Village is second to none, I can assure you that. Finally, you have outstanding professors around here as well, that is certainly not a problem for NYU...
Posted Mar 06, 2010 03:18
Thanks for your clarification. I indeed worry about the large profile of NYU llm. Since the resource is limited, will it hava any bad influence on individuals and will personalization be weakened in such a big class ?
PS: do you know about the environmental law program of NYU?
PS: do you know about the environmental law program of NYU?
Posted Mar 06, 2010 03:24
Depends on what elements are most important for you. I am at UVA and happy about it.
Reason ia that I prefer it over NYU:
- I did not want to be in NY: too big, too expensive
- 450 LLMs
Charlottesville is an amazing city with a great climate, but if you like to live in a large city, you might find it a bit boring.
Our 38 LLMs only have classes with JD students, with all the advantages: treated as a JD, contact with JDs, etc.
UVA has got many other advantages, such as a lot of specialized courses with very small group. At the moment I am in "Transactional Approach to M&A" with 12 other students. The course is taught by two partners of Skadden NY, who fly over every two weeks. Amazing course!
Thanks for your advice! NYU and UVA both have pros and cons and it makes me dizzy to make the final decision.
I have interest in environmenal law and want to work in governmental agencis or NGOs, so could you please tell me more about the environmental law program in UVA? (eg. the faculties, the internship opportunitie or whatever special)
Many thanks!
Reason ia that I prefer it over NYU:
- I did not want to be in NY: too big, too expensive
- 450 LLMs
Charlottesville is an amazing city with a great climate, but if you like to live in a large city, you might find it a bit boring.
Our 38 LLMs only have classes with JD students, with all the advantages: treated as a JD, contact with JDs, etc.
UVA has got many other advantages, such as a lot of specialized courses with very small group. At the moment I am in "Transactional Approach to M&A" with 12 other students. The course is taught by two partners of Skadden NY, who fly over every two weeks. Amazing course! </blockquote>
Thanks for your advice! NYU and UVA both have pros and cons and it makes me dizzy to make the final decision.
I have interest in environmenal law and want to work in governmental agencis or NGOs, so could you please tell me more about the environmental law program in UVA? (eg. the faculties, the internship opportunitie or whatever special)
Many thanks!
Posted Mar 06, 2010 15:39
As I said before, classes won't always be large. You can definitely pick smaller seminars and have a great deal of contact with your professors. You can also request a research assistant position with any of your preferred professors. What matters is the size of your LLM concentration (I assume you got into the LLM in Environmental Law) and not the size of the entire LLM class, because those will be the students interested in Environmental Law anyway. Internship opportunities are a great asset of the school, and I know they will be placing LLM students to work during the summer in places such as a climate change organization, IMF, World Bank, etc. I am not that into Environmental Law, but I know Dean Revesz and Richard Stewart are very famous professors in this field. NYU also has a research center on Environmental and Land Use Law, you should ask them if you could join this center as an assistant during your LLM.
All the best in your decisions!
All the best in your decisions!
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