1. Now youre contradicting yourself (again). Here you say But of course the other variables on a cv matter too: law journal, clerkships, internships, perhaps an MA, or a gold medal in your BA, articles published, saving orphans in Africa etc... However this is in direct opposition to your earlier assertion that getting into the harvard llm requires high class standing in the LLB/JD. period. Lsat is not relevant, either is volunteering.

2. Let me help you out. Could not means never and rarely means something that happens more often than never.

Not withstanding the fact that applicants far exceed the available slots is wholly irrelevant to the proposition that supply is up and demand is down. Your claim of NYUs factory is silly. (1) Your obvious attempt to justify why that top 5 program would take someone who doesnt meet your perceptions of what the caliber of an LLM admitted should be, and (2) as if somehow there is a noticeable difference in the average quality of students when that average is taken over the best 100 students (other programs) as opposed to the average of the best 400 students (NYU) out of a pool of thousands. The caliber of LLMs at NYU is just as good as any other top 5 or 10 school.

3. I never said (nor did anyone) that competition was not VERY competitive, but nonetheless the facts show that the rules of the game are slightly easier (at least for domestic students). What is your basis for believing many of the NYU candidates have already been rejected by yale, har, columbia...?


You can keep believing what you want, but the facts say otherwise. Im sure its extremely difficult for you foreign students to get into a top 5 LLM (including NYU), but that doesnt change the fact that the same schools JDs would be harder.

Why don't we just end this here and agree to disagree. This is going nowhere and has devolved into a petty argument. Lighten up people this is the internet, take everything with a grain of salt.

Why don't we just end this here and agree to disagree. This is going nowhere and has devolved into a petty argument. Lighten up people this is the internet, take everything with a grain of salt.

It sure seems like you are taking this seriously with the nit picking and arguments down to the specific word choice of others.

As for arguing over the slightest distinction, perhaps this is why lawyers get such a bad rap. Sure attention to detail in arguments is a good thing when in court defending someone on a serious charge, but in a meaningless debate on an internet message board?!? C'mon, lets face it this is getting kind of ridiculous, don't we have better things to do with our time? I sure as hell know I do, and you won't be seeing me posting anything further in this thread.

We get a bad rap for doing our jobs well? That's a pretty dubious statement, but ok.

Nit picking the minutia of diction is a form of mockery, if that passive aggressive humor was lost on you I'm sorry.

Meaningless? Not by a long shot, and whether any poster was being serious of tongue-in-cheek about this debate (I assume almost everyone the latter), they at least know it's a fairly important topic.

You clearly don't have anything better to do with your time or you wouldn't have tried to play the role of morally superior referee in what you erroneously believed was a serious debate.

Me? I'm studying for the bar which is in less than 3 days and I still find this humorous exchange a better use of my time. I'm glad you're so important that you only have time for 2 posts though.

I love these ones that get messy, always a lot of fun to read. Setho, I don't think anyone is taking anything too seriously, at least not in this thread, it's all very toungue in cheek. But I do agree with Troll that it is quite a useful thread to get heated over (to the extent that anyone was getting heated, which is denied), since a lot of people who are on this board are often apprehensive about their chances of getting into Law Schools. So a different perspective on the whole thing was necessary, I feel.

Having said that, I do think that maybe all that's needed to be said on the subject has been said. I hope the original poster appreciates all the time (imagine taking time out of your BAR exam studying, gotta appreciate that) and effort that went to addressing their concerns.

What would we do if we weren't lawyers??

guys this thread has been fun to read i guess, however i was wondering if anyone of u could help me with my problem, i have done my LLB from the Uni of London(external programme) and i hope there is some one on this thread that has done their degree from the UK as they could understand my problem in a better manner, i graduated with a 2.2 classification(i have no idea what that equals to in terms of GPA in the USA), i have also recently passed the BAR exam of england and wales, which is taken after a one year course, could anyone please inform me of my chances of getting into the LLM at NYU, especially if i want to pursue the J.S.D after the LLM. I would really appreciate some help in this problem

thanks