UCL online application system


ela

Hello!

I have finally managed to fill in my online application for UCL. However, the system doesnt allow me to send my application without providing names for my referees. As i have graduated 5 years ago, i did not managed to contact my professors from university yet therefore i cannot provide their names at this point. I have only 2 professional references already in pdf format from my 2 ex employeers who are big international law firms.

Did anyone encounter this problem? I mean i want to deposit my application and then send the references. The problem is that they dont even allow attaching already drafted references.

Thanks for any suggestion.

Hello!

I have finally managed to fill in my online application for UCL. However, the system doesnt allow me to send my application without providing names for my referees. As i have graduated 5 years ago, i did not managed to contact my professors from university yet therefore i cannot provide their names at this point. I have only 2 professional references already in pdf format from my 2 ex employeers who are big international law firms.

Did anyone encounter this problem? I mean i want to deposit my application and then send the references. The problem is that they dont even allow attaching already drafted references.

Thanks for any suggestion.
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gttuni

Your referees have to go online and submit them. I wanted to upload mine but that isn't the system at UCL (it is at many like kings)

Your referees have to go online and submit them. I wanted to upload mine but that isn't the system at UCL (it is at many like kings)
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some universities (especially in the us) value references that have not been read by the applicant more, because they believe that these ones will be more honest. So I believe that you ought to return to the ones that have written you the references in the first place and ask them if they will upload them themselves. If you ask for permission to upload the references you already have it might send wrong signals/will not be valued as much. I am not too sure if this is also true for english universities, but Berkley for instance states that on their application when one does not waive its right to see the reference

some universities (especially in the us) value references that have not been read by the applicant more, because they believe that these ones will be more honest. So I believe that you ought to return to the ones that have written you the references in the first place and ask them if they will upload them themselves. If you ask for permission to upload the references you already have it might send wrong signals/will not be valued as much. I am not too sure if this is also true for english universities, but Berkley for instance states that on their application when one does not waive its right to see the reference
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glau912

Yes, this also troubles me a lot since I could only provide one referee's contact information and could not provide the other one's email. I guess My application will be suspended becuase of this.

Yes, this also troubles me a lot since I could only provide one referee's contact information and could not provide the other one's email. I guess My application will be suspended becuase of this.
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ela

Thanks for replying.
I just hope they further ask me to provide another reference if they really want it in an envelope cos it would be rather difficult for me to go back to my ex-employees and ask for this favour. It is not their obligation to do it especially if you left for their competitor in the market. No reason to help. I will probably just go back to university and ask it from a professor. Just hope they wont instantly reject me cos the online application allowed me to upload my own references. Im talking about Queen Mary and KCL.
I think this condition to provide references in envelope is so irrelevant for proving your abilities especially in countries where references from professors is not that common habit even if you were among the best in your year.moreover if you graduated 5 years ago. I have a really good CV i have been working as business consultant in international law firms - so it would be really a shame not to get in.

Thanks for replying.
I just hope they further ask me to provide another reference if they really want it in an envelope cos it would be rather difficult for me to go back to my ex-employees and ask for this favour. It is not their obligation to do it especially if you left for their competitor in the market. No reason to help. I will probably just go back to university and ask it from a professor. Just hope they won’t instantly reject me cos the online application allowed me to upload my own references. I’m talking about Queen Mary and KCL.
I think this condition to provide references in envelope is so irrelevant for proving your abilities especially in countries where references from professors is not that common habit even if you were among the best in your year….moreover if you graduated 5 years ago. I have a really good CV – i have been working as business consultant in international law firms - so it would be really a shame not to get in.
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ela

Yes, this also troubles me a lot since I could only provide one referee's contact information and could not provide the other one's email. I guess My application will be suspended becuase of this.


Because of this condition i could not apply to 2 unis in London. I just think they encourage people with no professional experience at all and if you are a working professional it is rather difficult to start contacting people and running after references especially if you have a busy working schedule which usually happens with top professionals.

<blockquote>Yes, this also troubles me a lot since I could only provide one referee's contact information and could not provide the other one's email. I guess My application will be suspended becuase of this.</blockquote>

Because of this condition i could not apply to 2 unis in London. I just think they encourage people with no professional experience at all and if you are a working professional it is rather difficult to start contacting people and running after references especially if you have a busy working schedule which usually happens with top professionals.
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I don't think King's or Queen Mary will reject you because of that, english universities seem to be not as strict as us universities in that area. I believe that it would be good to go back to university and ask a professor if you have made an impression on him because an academic reference differs from a professional reference. Anyhow what I did on all my applications was that I submitted othere references I had anyways along with the two asked for references. Most of the time there is enough space to upload aditional material and as long as it is realted to law it should be of interest to the person who makes the decision!

I don't think King's or Queen Mary will reject you because of that, english universities seem to be not as strict as us universities in that area. I believe that it would be good to go back to university and ask a professor if you have made an impression on him because an academic reference differs from a professional reference. Anyhow what I did on all my applications was that I submitted othere references I had anyways along with the two asked for references. Most of the time there is enough space to upload aditional material and as long as it is realted to law it should be of interest to the person who makes the decision!
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glau912

Agree. KCL only requires scanned copies and I get admitted 3 days later. That's why I love them so much. haha
My ex-supervisor wrote me only 1 reference letter, not sealed. And he did not provide me any email but only a phone number. I sent a scanned copy to UCL by email but have not heard any reply from them yet. I don't if I should send UCL the sealed letter from my academic tutor by post.

Agree. KCL only requires scanned copies and I get admitted 3 days later. That's why I love them so much. haha
My ex-supervisor wrote me only 1 reference letter, not sealed. And he did not provide me any email but only a phone number. I sent a scanned copy to UCL by email but have not heard any reply from them yet. I don't if I should send UCL the sealed letter from my academic tutor by post.
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ela

As far as i rememeber UCL's online application does not allow you to submit it unless you provide emails for your referees that they will further contact. I didnt apply to UCL cos of that altought i bither to fill in every field till i reached the references.
If you have a sealed academic reference i think you should send it by post.

As far as i rememeber UCL's online application does not allow you to submit it unless you provide emails for your referees that they will further contact. I didnt apply to UCL cos of that altought i bither to fill in every field till i reached the references.
If you have a sealed academic reference i think you should send it by post.
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ela

Agree. KCL only requires scanned copies and I get admitted 3 days later. That's why I love them so much. haha
My ex-supervisor wrote me only 1 reference letter, not sealed. And he did not provide me any email but only a phone number. I sent a scanned copy to UCL by email but have not heard any reply from them yet. I don't if I should send UCL the sealed letter from my academic tutor by post.


congrats for KCL! what references did you submit? did you send academic scanned references ?

<blockquote>Agree. KCL only requires scanned copies and I get admitted 3 days later. That's why I love them so much. haha
My ex-supervisor wrote me only 1 reference letter, not sealed. And he did not provide me any email but only a phone number. I sent a scanned copy to UCL by email but have not heard any reply from them yet. I don't if I should send UCL the sealed letter from my academic tutor by post. </blockquote>

congrats for KCL! what references did you submit? did you send academic scanned references ?
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glau912

Agree. KCL only requires scanned copies and I get admitted 3 days later. That's why I love them so much. haha
My ex-supervisor wrote me only 1 reference letter, not sealed. And he did not provide me any email but only a phone number. I sent a scanned copy to UCL by email but have not heard any reply from them yet. I don't know if I should send UCL the sealed letter from my academic tutor by post.


congrats for KCL! what references did you submit? did you send academic scanned references ?


Thanks. yes. I uploaded scanned references altough my tutor gave me some sealed copies.
But if UCL offers me, I think i will go for UCL.

<blockquote><blockquote>Agree. KCL only requires scanned copies and I get admitted 3 days later. That's why I love them so much. haha
My ex-supervisor wrote me only 1 reference letter, not sealed. And he did not provide me any email but only a phone number. I sent a scanned copy to UCL by email but have not heard any reply from them yet. I don't know if I should send UCL the sealed letter from my academic tutor by post. </blockquote>

congrats for KCL! what references did you submit? did you send academic scanned references ?</blockquote>

Thanks. yes. I uploaded scanned references altough my tutor gave me some sealed copies.
But if UCL offers me, I think i will go for UCL.
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glau912

As far as i rememeber UCL's online application does not allow you to submit it unless you provide emails for your referees that they will further contact. I didnt apply to UCL cos of that altought i bither to fill in every field till i reached the references.
If you have a sealed academic reference i think you should send it by post.


oh. never give up for a glitch like this.
you can email admission and ask for advice.
I just typed in NA@NA.NA to get through the system.

<blockquote>As far as i rememeber UCL's online application does not allow you to submit it unless you provide emails for your referees that they will further contact. I didnt apply to UCL cos of that altought i bither to fill in every field till i reached the references.
If you have a sealed academic reference i think you should send it by post. </blockquote>

oh. never give up for a glitch like this.
you can email admission and ask for advice.
I just typed in NA@NA.NA to get through the system.
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IHTA1984

It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas.

It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas.
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ela

It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas.


congrats for admission! any idea whether applying to UCL at this point is a lost cause?

I am still struggling to get my contacts for academic references and pray that i make it in time so i can click submit. i have outsanding CV and top professional experience as business consultant which on the other hand is eating all the time that i need to invest in applying. im already very stressed and hope that if i make it for the end of January i will still be taken into consideration and get a place....

<blockquote>It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas. </blockquote>

congrats for admission! any idea whether applying to UCL at this point is a lost cause?

I am still struggling to get my contacts for academic references and pray that i make it in time so i can click submit. i have outsanding CV and top professional experience as business consultant which on the other hand is eating all the time that i need to invest in applying. im already very stressed and hope that if i make it for the end of January i will still be taken into consideration and get a place....
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IHTA1984

It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas.


congrats for admission! any idea whether applying to UCL at this point is a lost cause?

I am still struggling to get my contacts for academic references and pray that i make it in time so i can click submit. i have outsanding CV and top professional experience as business consultant which on the other hand is eating all the time that i need to invest in applying. im already very stressed and hope that if i make it for the end of January i will still be taken into consideration and get a place....


Thank you for your congrats.

Do apply, by all means! Don't be stressed, as there is no deadline - the admissions are made on a rolling basis. Your CV and professional experience will stand you out from many other applicants. But make sure you deliver a consistent proposal in your personal statement: i.e. justify why an LLM, why now, in what field, your course selection, future aspirations etc. Don't leave the admissions officer with an impression that you want to do an LLM just because you want to kill time! I hope this helps. Good luck!

<blockquote><blockquote>It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas. </blockquote>

congrats for admission! any idea whether applying to UCL at this point is a lost cause?

I am still struggling to get my contacts for academic references and pray that i make it in time so i can click submit. i have outsanding CV and top professional experience as business consultant which on the other hand is eating all the time that i need to invest in applying. im already very stressed and hope that if i make it for the end of January i will still be taken into consideration and get a place....</blockquote>

Thank you for your congrats.

Do apply, by all means! Don't be stressed, as there is no deadline - the admissions are made on a rolling basis. Your CV and professional experience will stand you out from many other applicants. But make sure you deliver a consistent proposal in your personal statement: i.e. justify why an LLM, why now, in what field, your course selection, future aspirations etc. Don't leave the admissions officer with an impression that you want to do an LLM just because you want to kill time! I hope this helps. Good luck!
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ela

It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas.


congrats for admission! any idea whether applying to UCL at this point is a lost cause?

I am still struggling to get my contacts for academic references and pray that i make it in time so i can click submit. i have outsanding CV and top professional experience as business consultant which on the other hand is eating all the time that i need to invest in applying. im already very stressed and hope that if i make it for the end of January i will still be taken into consideration and get a place....


Thank you for your congrats.

Do apply, by all means! Don't be stressed, as there is no deadline - the admissions are made on a rolling basis. Your CV and professional experience will stand you out from many other applicants. But make sure you deliver a consistent proposal in your personal statement: i.e. justify why an LLM, why now, in what field, your course selection, future aspirations etc. Don't leave the admissions officer with an impression that you want to do an LLM just because you want to kill time! I hope this helps. Good luck!

thanks for the advice!
yeah they said they will post on their webpage when they are close to reaching their quota for this year. So i keep my finger crossed that this wont happen soon:)
Actually im doing this LLM as i want to relocate abroad and i need some consistent European academic backround in Commercial/Business Law besides my professional experience so im not looking to kill time:)

<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas. </blockquote>

congrats for admission! any idea whether applying to UCL at this point is a lost cause?

I am still struggling to get my contacts for academic references and pray that i make it in time so i can click submit. i have outsanding CV and top professional experience as business consultant which on the other hand is eating all the time that i need to invest in applying. im already very stressed and hope that if i make it for the end of January i will still be taken into consideration and get a place....</blockquote>

Thank you for your congrats.

Do apply, by all means! Don't be stressed, as there is no deadline - the admissions are made on a rolling basis. Your CV and professional experience will stand you out from many other applicants. But make sure you deliver a consistent proposal in your personal statement: i.e. justify why an LLM, why now, in what field, your course selection, future aspirations etc. Don't leave the admissions officer with an impression that you want to do an LLM just because you want to kill time! I hope this helps. Good luck!</blockquote>
thanks for the advice!
yeah they said they will post on their webpage when they are close to reaching their quota for this year. So i keep my finger crossed that this wont happen soon:)
Actually im doing this LLM as i want to relocate abroad and i need some consistent European academic backround in Commercial/Business Law besides my professional experience so im not looking to kill time:)
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glau912

It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas.


Did you j ask your referees to fill out the reference forms? I think i may have problems with that since I don't want to trouble my referees again who wrote me general reference letters.

<blockquote>It's always wise to use paper application if there is such an option. This would make your application stand out, provided that you choose the best stationery. The word limit to the personal statement on the electronic system is too restrictive so I opted for the paper application. Received my admission decision in two weeks before Christmas. </blockquote>

Did you j ask your referees to fill out the reference forms? I think i may have problems with that since I don't want to trouble my referees again who wrote me general reference letters.
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hi i have submitted my application to UCL but i don't think that my referees will actually complete the references and send them to UCL. I was wondering if it is possible to send them to UCL by post because i already have sealed references from my professors. I don't know what I should can anyone help me please?

hi i have submitted my application to UCL but i don't think that my referees will actually complete the references and send them to UCL. I was wondering if it is possible to send them to UCL by post because i already have sealed references from my professors. I don't know what I should can anyone help me please?
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As far as i rememeber UCL's online application does not allow you to submit it unless you provide emails for your referees that they will further contact. I didnt apply to UCL cos of that altought i bither to fill in every field till i reached the references.
If you have a sealed academic reference i think you should send it by post.


oh. never give up for a glitch like this.
you can email admission and ask for advice.
I just typed in NA@NA.NA to get through the system.



I have the same problem - I'm applying online but I sent my letters by post. Does typing NA@NA.NA work? Were you able to ask UCL if this is an acceptable entry? I don't want my referees getting another email prompt telling them to submit references they've already given to me. I tried emailing UCL but no replies yet.


<blockquote><blockquote>As far as i rememeber UCL's online application does not allow you to submit it unless you provide emails for your referees that they will further contact. I didnt apply to UCL cos of that altought i bither to fill in every field till i reached the references.
If you have a sealed academic reference i think you should send it by post. </blockquote>

oh. never give up for a glitch like this.
you can email admission and ask for advice.
I just typed in NA@NA.NA to get through the system. </blockquote>


I have the same problem - I'm applying online but I sent my letters by post. Does typing NA@NA.NA work? Were you able to ask UCL if this is an acceptable entry? I don't want my referees getting another email prompt telling them to submit references they've already given to me. I tried emailing UCL but no replies yet.
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