UCL / KINGS - how strict are they with the language requirement ?


legalalien

Magiur - have you considered spending a few weeks in London during the university holidays (can't recall if you are still at university or not, sorry) to try and improve your English? For example, last summer we had an au pair who was a law student in Europe - she stayed with us for four weeks and her English definitely improved even in that short space of time.

Magiur - have you considered spending a few weeks in London during the university holidays (can't recall if you are still at university or not, sorry) to try and improve your English? For example, last summer we had an au pair who was a law student in Europe - she stayed with us for four weeks and her English definitely improved even in that short space of time.
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Magiur

@ legalalian

I've just sent you a PM. Hope that is ok!


@ legalalian

I've just sent you a PM. Hope that is ok!
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beicon

Just to let everybody know: my fiancée asked UCL and KCL for a partial waiver regarding IELTS score. KCL answered saying no and UCL answered requesting a short statement on the reasons to such waiver so that they can pass it on to the graduate tutor. Shell send the statement today to UCL today. My fiancée has got an overall 7.0, with 7.0 in the listening, 7.5 in the reading, 6.5 in the writing and 6.5 in the speaking. KCL told her straight out that they cant give any waiver regarding English language requirements.

Just to let everybody know: my fiancée asked UCL and KCL for a partial waiver regarding IELTS score. KCL answered saying no and UCL answered requesting a short statement on the reasons to such waiver so that they can pass it on to the graduate tutor. She’ll send the statement today to UCL today. My fiancée has got an overall 7.0, with 7.0 in the listening, 7.5 in the reading, 6.5 in the writing and 6.5 in the speaking. KCL told her straight out that they can’t give any waiver regarding English language requirements.
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Wheretogo_

Makes sense I would imagine.

They have strict requirements. And to allow people to go on the course without being sure they will succeed its not good for them. I am sure she is capable but it seems that when it comes to English requirements they are very harsh.

Makes sense I would imagine.

They have strict requirements. And to allow people to go on the course without being sure they will succeed its not good for them. I am sure she is capable but it seems that when it comes to English requirements they are very harsh.
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kathg

Hi guys, so did you manage to pass your Eng test/convince KCL?

I just got my conditional offer, it is rather strange for me coz although I am frm a non-english speaking background, I have a UK LLB and even called to the UK Bar. (but they still ask for Eng requirement). do you think it is possible to convince them?

On another note, did KCL actually mention the specialisation that you applied in your letter of offer? They dint..worry me abit. Am going to call them but down with a flu at the moment :(

Hi guys, so did you manage to pass your Eng test/convince KCL?

I just got my conditional offer, it is rather strange for me coz although I am frm a non-english speaking background, I have a UK LLB and even called to the UK Bar. (but they still ask for Eng requirement). do you think it is possible to convince them?

On another note, did KCL actually mention the specialisation that you applied in your letter of offer? They dint..worry me abit. Am going to call them but down with a flu at the moment :(
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beicon

Hi. I understand KCL's position and I kindda agree with it. Studying law is all about reading and writing... and you've got to master the language in order to do so. She'll retake the test and I'm sure that she'll manage to pull it off. About the specialisation... KCL didn't mention anything about it on my offer letter and I guess they didn't mention it on any other letter. You'll only get to choose your specialisation once you arrive in London and only after begin of term. On the waiver thing, my fiancée is from a non English speaking country so we werent really very hopeful towards a consent from KCL in that regard. However, in your case, considering youve got a British LLB, you may have a better shot at it.

Hi. I understand KCL's position and I kindda agree with it. Studying law is all about reading and writing... and you've got to master the language in order to do so. She'll retake the test and I'm sure that she'll manage to pull it off. About the specialisation... KCL didn't mention anything about it on my offer letter and I guess they didn't mention it on any other letter. You'll only get to choose your specialisation once you arrive in London and only after begin of term. On the waiver thing, my fiancée is from a non English speaking country so we weren’t really very hopeful towards a consent from KCL in that regard. However, in your case, considering you’ve got a British LLB, you may have a better shot at it.
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Wheretogo_

It is possible that they have made the offer without even looking fully at your profile.

I think it is pathetic to require someone who is a barrister in the UK and has a UK LLB an English language test? I think they made the offer without even looking to be honest.

It is possible that they have made the offer without even looking fully at your profile.

I think it is pathetic to require someone who is a barrister in the UK and has a UK LLB an English language test? I think they made the offer without even looking to be honest.
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kathg

It is possible that they have made the offer without even looking fully at your profile.

I think it is pathetic to require someone who is a barrister in the UK and has a UK LLB an English language test? I think they made the offer without even looking to be honest.


Lol..The best part is I am working in London now in quite a recognised organisation!!! How bad could my English be.... Hmmmmmm

<blockquote>It is possible that they have made the offer without even looking fully at your profile.

I think it is pathetic to require someone who is a barrister in the UK and has a UK LLB an English language test? I think they made the offer without even looking to be honest.</blockquote>

Lol..The best part is I am working in London now in quite a recognised organisation!!! How bad could my English be.... Hmmmmmm
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hi,
my kcl offer is also conditional to ielts...i have done my entire education in english medium...still the condition...
i had written to them but they said that they are not waiving any indian student of this condition...as regards the specialisation in the offer letter nothing has been mentioned except llm.

hi,
my kcl offer is also conditional to ielts...i have done my entire education in english medium...still the condition...
i had written to them but they said that they are not waiving any indian student of this condition...as regards the specialisation in the offer letter nothing has been mentioned except llm.
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Wheretogo_

Kath

why dont you email them to explain? I am sure they made a mistake. I mean I did not study LLB but I did the conversion course and the LPC and I am training to be solicitor and other schools just waved the English requirement...

Kath

why dont you email them to explain? I am sure they made a mistake. I mean I did not study LLB but I did the conversion course and the LPC and I am training to be solicitor and other schools just waved the English requirement...
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kathg

Yes, in fact I emailed them yesterday. Let's see what is their reply. :)

Yes, in fact I emailed them yesterday. Let's see what is their reply. :)
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beicon

By way of an update, UCL also said no to my fiancee regarding the partial waiver...

By way of an update, UCL also said no to my fiancee regarding the partial waiver...
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Interesting conversation...I am going to attend 3 months of pre sessional courses at UCL this summer. I got 86 at the TOEFL. I am not very optimistic...

Interesting conversation...I am going to attend 3 months of pre sessional courses at UCL this summer. I got 86 at the TOEFL. I am not very optimistic...
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dralanrile...

As someone who receives a lot of LLM applications I think it is worth underlining the extent to which LLM programme directors are reluctant to accept students with weak English language skills.

Even where I receive really outstanding LLM applications we will not take them if the English is not up to scratch.

My view it is not fair to accept students whose English is not up to taking the programme. Students waste their money or at least do not achieve what they could otherwise achieve with perhaps an extra year of English. It is also frustrating for the academics teaching LLM students whose English is not up to coping with complex legal concepts.

Where I see a really good applicant who clearly would do well with another year of English study I will usually email the applicant and recommend they spend the next year studying English not law.

The basic rule I suggest students on LLMguide take on board is this:-if you are not getting good scores on TOFEL or IETLS at the outset, delay your LLM year-and focus on the English. Better a delayed and successful LLM and a happier and more interesting year, than a year at best of struggle with only mediocre results to show for it.

Professor Alan Riley
Director LLM Programme
City Law School
Grays Inn
London
Electronic Mail: alan.riley.1@city.ac.uk

As someone who receives a lot of LLM applications I think it is worth underlining the extent to which LLM programme directors are reluctant to accept students with weak English language skills.

Even where I receive really outstanding LLM applications we will not take them if the English is not up to scratch.

My view it is not fair to accept students whose English is not up to taking the programme. Students waste their money or at least do not achieve what they could otherwise achieve with perhaps an extra year of English. It is also frustrating for the academics teaching LLM students whose English is not up to coping with complex legal concepts.

Where I see a really good applicant who clearly would do well with another year of English study I will usually email the applicant and recommend they spend the next year studying English not law.

The basic rule I suggest students on LLMguide take on board is this:-if you are not getting good scores on TOFEL or IETLS at the outset, delay your LLM year-and focus on the English. Better a delayed and successful LLM and a happier and more interesting year, than a year at best of struggle with only mediocre results to show for it.

Professor Alan Riley
Director LLM Programme
City Law School
Grays Inn
London
Electronic Mail: alan.riley.1@city.ac.uk
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pritt

Does anyone know if it's hard to get 70% at pre-sessional classes at KCL?

Does anyone know if it's hard to get 70% at pre-sessional classes at KCL?
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Is anyone aware of the deadline for submitting Toefl scores to UCL/KCL? I currently have a conditional offer dependent on meeting their English proficiency requirements.

I am planning to appear on 10th July and quite nervous about it. Also is there anyone from India going to either of these. Could use some guidance on Loan and visa formalities

Is anyone aware of the deadline for submitting Toefl scores to UCL/KCL? I currently have a conditional offer dependent on meeting their English proficiency requirements.

I am planning to appear on 10th July and quite nervous about it. Also is there anyone from India going to either of these. Could use some guidance on Loan and visa formalities
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Maeglyn

Up !

Same question as above, does someone has any information concerning KCL presessionnal course, and the 70% that you need to get ?


Thank you for your answers !

Up !

Same question as above, does someone has any information concerning KCL presessionnal course, and the 70% that you need to get ?


Thank you for your answers !
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beicon

My wife went to KCL. She did the IELTS 3 times. She never got in one single exam the minimum grades required by KCL. She sent an email saying she would have to decline the offer because of that and they accepted a combination of the 3 scores to meet the language requirement. So, they are somewhat flexible in that regard.

My wife went to KCL. She did the IELTS 3 times. She never got in one single exam the minimum grades required by KCL. She sent an email saying she would have to decline the offer because of that and they accepted a combination of the 3 scores to meet the language requirement. So, they are somewhat flexible in that regard.
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Maeglyn

Good to know Beicon, thank you very much for your answer...

Even if we will all try to fulfill this very important condition without being obliged to negotiate with them !

Good to know Beicon, thank you very much for your answer...

Even if we will all try to fulfill this very important condition without being obliged to negotiate with them !
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