Requirements for UCL LLM admission


Anna1991
Many law schools such as UCL or KCL set certain minimum mark requirements for entr (such as 65% or 64% respectively). Are they always rigid in these requirements? Has anyone ever entered any LLM program of either UCL or KCL with a mark slightly below the prescribed one?

Thank you (:
Many law schools such as UCL or KCL set certain minimum mark requirements for entr (such as 65% or 64% respectively). Are they always rigid in these requirements? Has anyone ever entered any LLM program of either UCL or KCL with a mark slightly below the prescribed one?

Thank you (:
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DerekLLM
Would love to hear about the experiences of applicants on this issue as well. :)
Would love to hear about the experiences of applicants on this issue as well. :)
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Blady
Yes. I can confirm that a fair few of my course-mates have shared with me that they have been accepted to UCL LLM despite their average marks of 60 to 62%. The British students who form no more than 20 to 25% seem to require higher scores. Most of them have a first or a very high 2nd upper from Oxbridge or other Russell group universities. My deduction of this is UCL and many other top UK universities practice a system of allocation of places to each country. Although they will all vehemently deny this and tell you it's by merit alone. This practice will ensure that there is a good spread of UCL alumni around the globe which in turn will become brand ambassadors for UCL ie. Top lawyers, judges, diplomats. In addition, by limiting the places to UK home students, UCL ensures that they will not be a glut of UCL students in the English legal job market. From my observation, foreign student places are allocated partly on the basis of population size. Typically, chinese students will get about 40 places and Indians say about 35. By and large so long as you've got a 2nd upper and you're a foreign student, you'll be competing with your countrymen for the places allocated. As far as UCL is concerned I'm pretty sure about that. But I'm sure UCL admissions office and many alumni will categorically deny this. Hope that helps!
Yes. I can confirm that a fair few of my course-mates have shared with me that they have been accepted to UCL LLM despite their average marks of 60 to 62%. The British students who form no more than 20 to 25% seem to require higher scores. Most of them have a first or a very high 2nd upper from Oxbridge or other Russell group universities. My deduction of this is UCL and many other top UK universities practice a system of allocation of places to each country. Although they will all vehemently deny this and tell you it's by merit alone. This practice will ensure that there is a good spread of UCL alumni around the globe which in turn will become brand ambassadors for UCL ie. Top lawyers, judges, diplomats. In addition, by limiting the places to UK home students, UCL ensures that they will not be a glut of UCL students in the English legal job market. From my observation, foreign student places are allocated partly on the basis of population size. Typically, chinese students will get about 40 places and Indians say about 35. By and large so long as you've got a 2nd upper and you're a foreign student, you'll be competing with your countrymen for the places allocated. As far as UCL is concerned I'm pretty sure about that. But I'm sure UCL admissions office and many alumni will categorically deny this. Hope that helps!
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DerekLLM
Dear Blady,

Thank you very much for the insightful post!

From what you have said, I am a little more reassurred. I had thought about removing UCL from the list of colleges to which I would be applying; but I guess it does not hurt to just try nonetheless as there seems to be a degree of relaxation when it comes to international applicants.

You've been more than a help! :)
Dear Blady,

Thank you very much for the insightful post!

From what you have said, I am a little more reassurred. I had thought about removing UCL from the list of colleges to which I would be applying; but I guess it does not hurt to just try nonetheless as there seems to be a degree of relaxation when it comes to international applicants.

You've been more than a help! :)
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flori
Many law schools such as UCL or KCL set certain minimum mark requirements for entr (such as 65% or 64% respectively). Are they always rigid in these requirements?


Hello Anna,
the simple answer would be: No.
It depends, especially on the country where you have obtained your first degree. I have no personal experience when it comes to UCL, still I know some former fellow students from German universities, who have been admitted to KCL with roughly 50 % (around 9 points out of 18 - German marking system). However, I should probably add that obtaining 9 out of 18 usually means that you are among the top 10-15% and that a German "pass" means "4 points or more out of 18".
Bye
flori
<blockquote>Many law schools such as UCL or KCL set certain minimum mark requirements for entr (such as 65% or 64% respectively). Are they always rigid in these requirements? </blockquote>

Hello Anna,
the simple answer would be: No.
It depends, especially on the country where you have obtained your first degree. I have no personal experience when it comes to UCL, still I know some former fellow students from German universities, who have been admitted to KCL with roughly 50 % (around 9 points out of 18 - German marking system). However, I should probably add that obtaining 9 out of 18 usually means that you are among the top 10-15% and that a German "pass" means "4 points or more out of 18".
Bye
flori
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Bolivia!
What is the minimum mark needed for LSE?

I assume it is a tad higher than UCL?
What is the minimum mark needed for LSE?

I assume it is a tad higher than UCL?
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I confirmed with the admissions office at UK colleges and the results is as follows;

Kings - above 60%
UCL - above 65%
LSE - above 65%
Oxbridge - above 70%
I confirmed with the admissions office at UK colleges and the results is as follows;

Kings - above 60%
UCL - above 65%
LSE - above 65%
Oxbridge - above 70%
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flori
Hello ashishthemiracle, hello everyone,
I confirmed with the admissions office at UK colleges and the results is as follows;

Kings - above 60%
UCL - above 65%
LSE - above 65%
Oxbridge - above 70%


Whilst those percentage points might be true for some countries of origin, I can personally falsify each of them as far as applicants with degrees from German universities are concerned.

Bye
flori
Hello ashishthemiracle, hello everyone,
<blockquote>I confirmed with the admissions office at UK colleges and the results is as follows;

Kings - above 60%
UCL - above 65%
LSE - above 65%
Oxbridge - above 70%</blockquote>

Whilst those percentage points might be true for some countries of origin, I can personally falsify each of them as far as applicants with degrees from German universities are concerned.

Bye
flori
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Hey,

Sorry to not mention. I quoted the requirements for Indian students only as I found the enquirer to be from India :0
Hey,

Sorry to not mention. I quoted the requirements for Indian students only as I found the enquirer to be from India :0
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Bolivia!
Flori,

what about German university students then? Would appreciate if you could elaborate.
Flori,

what about German university students then? Would appreciate if you could elaborate.
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flori

what about German university students then? Would appreciate if you could elaborate.


50 % (9 out of 18) would definitely suffice for all of the listed universities, less (8,x out of 18) at least for KCL and UCL.

Bye
flori
P.S.
Those are not the figures spread by the respective application office, though. However those are the "true" numbers, as I know successful applicants with the respective grades...
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what about German university students then? Would appreciate if you could elaborate.</blockquote>

50 % (9 out of 18) would definitely suffice for all of the listed universities, less (8,x out of 18) at least for KCL and UCL.

Bye
flori
P.S.
Those are not the figures spread by the respective application office, though. However those are the "true" numbers, as I know successful applicants with the respective grades...
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Bolivia!
Be careful mixing up different marking systems. :)

60% in the UK don't translate into 50% in Germany. I'm from Germany but study in the UK so I know the system.
It is more accurate to say you need 9 out of 18,etc. rather than saying all Germans need 50% (as the percentage system is used in the UK, US, etc. but not in Germany (where you use points)).

Because if you translate 9 points into UK percentage "points" you get around 65%.
Be careful mixing up different marking systems. :)

60% in the UK don't translate into 50% in Germany. I'm from Germany but study in the UK so I know the system.
It is more accurate to say you need 9 out of 18,etc. rather than saying all Germans need 50% (as the percentage system is used in the UK, US, etc. but not in Germany (where you use points)).

Because if you translate 9 points into UK percentage "points" you get around 65%.
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flori
Be careful mixing up different marking systems. :)


Well, the funny thing is that I actually said that one would need 9 or 8,x out of 18.

Bye
flori
<blockquote>Be careful mixing up different marking systems. :)
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Well, the funny thing is that I actually said that one would need 9 or 8,x out of 18.

Bye
flori
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Bolivia!
which still does not equal 50% in British/international scales. Which means the standards used for Indians are true for Germans as well since 60% in Indian terms is roughly 8 in German terms.
which still does not equal 50% in British/international scales. Which means the standards used for Indians are true for Germans as well since 60% in Indian terms is roughly 8 in German terms.
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DerekLLM
Thanks for the clarification, Bolivia!
Thanks for the clarification, Bolivia!
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Bolivia!
I've got a question regarding the word limit for UCL.

It says it shouldn't be longer than 3000 characters - but that's hardly 500 words! For LSE the word limit is around 1,000-1,500 words.

Alternatively, I can attach a document if it's above 3,000 characters. But it doesn't say how long it can be max. What did you guys do about that?
I've got a question regarding the word limit for UCL.

It says it shouldn't be longer than 3000 characters - but that's hardly 500 words! For LSE the word limit is around 1,000-1,500 words.

Alternatively, I can attach a document if it's above 3,000 characters. But it doesn't say how long it can be max. What did you guys do about that?
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ShivaniJ.
I will be applying in September 2012 for the 13-14 session.
what I wanted to know is how important are the SOP and Letter of Recommendations as for as admission at UCL and LSE is concerned.
I have an aggregate of 63% and this is what I will be applying with. Despite having two more exams to give, as it will be too late if I apply later.
Is their a criteria on which conditional acceptance is given ?
also, i have a list of 8 internships and 3 internships with NGOs and community service.
Does that add at all? What else can I do till September to secure me a good university.
Should I consider applying to US colleges as well? is it worth the money spent, and will i get admission in the top 10?
I will be applying in September 2012 for the 13-14 session.
what I wanted to know is how important are the SOP and Letter of Recommendations as for as admission at UCL and LSE is concerned.
I have an aggregate of 63% and this is what I will be applying with. Despite having two more exams to give, as it will be too late if I apply later.
Is their a criteria on which conditional acceptance is given ?
also, i have a list of 8 internships and 3 internships with NGOs and community service.
Does that add at all? What else can I do till September to secure me a good university.
Should I consider applying to US colleges as well? is it worth the money spent, and will i get admission in the top 10?
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fhk
Yo guyz I found this page really helpful. I just applied to UCL yesturday, yes, yesturday and I am wondering whether I've got any chance to get into UCL. I am from Pakistan. I got a 2:1in an LLB( hons) from an ok UK university(top 50). At the moment doing my Bar (BPTC) course and I've got 7.5 overall in ielts (as well as in each component). oh and I also forgot to submit my CV. Would love to hear from you guys.
Yo guyz I found this page really helpful. I just applied to UCL yesturday, yes, yesturday and I am wondering whether I've got any chance to get into UCL. I am from Pakistan. I got a 2:1in an LLB( hons) from an ok UK university(top 50). At the moment doing my Bar (BPTC) course and I've got 7.5 overall in ielts (as well as in each component). oh and I also forgot to submit my CV. Would love to hear from you guys.
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I will be applying in September 2012 for the 13-14 session.
what I wanted to know is how important are the SOP and Letter of Recommendations as for as admission at UCL and LSE is concerned.
I have an aggregate of 63% and this is what I will be applying with. Despite having two more exams to give, as it will be too late if I apply later.
Is their a criteria on which conditional acceptance is given ?
also, i have a list of 8 internships and 3 internships with NGOs and community service.
Does that add at all? What else can I do till September to secure me a good university.
Should I consider applying to US colleges as well? is it worth the money spent, and will i get admission in the top 10?

I have been told that apart from grades, LORs and PS are equally important in securing a place at any institution, including UCL. With regard to your aggregate, I do not think it should discourage you from applying because an offer is not made solely on what kind of grades you received. You could consider US Colleges as well. Howevever, the cost is likely to be three times more than the cost at a UK institution. It would be interesting to hear other people's views.
<blockquote>I will be applying in September 2012 for the 13-14 session.
what I wanted to know is how important are the SOP and Letter of Recommendations as for as admission at UCL and LSE is concerned.
I have an aggregate of 63% and this is what I will be applying with. Despite having two more exams to give, as it will be too late if I apply later.
Is their a criteria on which conditional acceptance is given ?
also, i have a list of 8 internships and 3 internships with NGOs and community service.
Does that add at all? What else can I do till September to secure me a good university.
Should I consider applying to US colleges as well? is it worth the money spent, and will i get admission in the top 10? </blockquote>
I have been told that apart from grades, LORs and PS are equally important in securing a place at any institution, including UCL. With regard to your aggregate, I do not think it should discourage you from applying because an offer is not made solely on what kind of grades you received. You could consider US Colleges as well. Howevever, the cost is likely to be three times more than the cost at a UK institution. It would be interesting to hear other people's views.
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kibh
@fhk

I'm also from Pakistan and I got an unconditional offer from UCL after having applied in February 2012. I had a decent, though not a very high 2:1 from the University of London International Programmes.

So if you're doing the bar as well, I'm sure you stand an even better chance of admission. All the best!
@fhk

I'm also from Pakistan and I got an unconditional offer from UCL after having applied in February 2012. I had a decent, though not a very high 2:1 from the University of London International Programmes.

So if you're doing the bar as well, I'm sure you stand an even better chance of admission. All the best!
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