New UK Law rankings!!!


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http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/single.htm?ipg=8727

Great to see UCL up there and Durham hanging in there!!! ;)

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/single.htm?ipg=8727

Great to see UCL up there and Durham hanging in there!!! ;)
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banker3

UCL before Oxbridge and LSE?
and Glasgow, Nottingham, Durham before KCL???

UCL before Oxbridge and LSE?
and Glasgow, Nottingham, Durham before KCL???
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QSWE

I guess the changings have been more to break monotony than any thing else. It would have been a diiferent thing if the changes were in consonance with the Research Exercise Ratings. But that movements represent no pattern at all shows that the changes are more for the sake of it.

I guess the changings have been more to break monotony than any thing else. It would have been a diiferent thing if the changes were in consonance with the Research Exercise Ratings. But that movements represent no pattern at all shows that the changes are more for the sake of it.
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UCL does have a fantastic law school, whether it is the very best is open to debate. Surprised to see Kings so far down the list. Can anyone explain in simple terms how they assess these things? Are they really reliable/relevant?

UCL does have a fantastic law school, whether it is the very best is open to debate. Surprised to see Kings so far down the list. Can anyone explain in simple terms how they assess these things? Are they really reliable/relevant?
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banker3

I prefer the Times and Guardian rankings...they are more consistent and KCL should be in the top 4.

I prefer the Times and Guardian rankings...they are more consistent and KCL should be in the top 4.
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Interalia

The problem with these sorts of rankings - especially for prospective LLMs - is that they include all sorts of irrelevant data like "entry prospects" and "student satisfaction".

I personally think its more helpful just to zero in on the category which is most important to oneself. For me personally, I just choose universities based on two criteria, namely (i) the quality of publications by the faculty in my area of interest and (ii) do the faculty members in question actually teach the LLM class.

The problem with these sorts of rankings - especially for prospective LLMs - is that they include all sorts of irrelevant data like "entry prospects" and "student satisfaction".

I personally think its more helpful just to zero in on the category which is most important to oneself. For me personally, I just choose universities based on two criteria, namely (i) the quality of publications by the faculty in my area of interest and (ii) do the faculty members in question actually teach the LLM class.
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jackoune

I think that the most important is the area U wanna specialize in and this statement is true for all the universities all over the world.
Each uni has got its own area of excellence.
So, the question is rather about the LLM focus than the uni itself.

I think that the most important is the area U wanna specialize in and this statement is true for all the universities all over the world.
Each uni has got its own area of excellence.
So, the question is rather about the LLM focus than the uni itself.
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Kerfuffle

Specialisation is definitely the key for anyone planning to practice law after their LLM - otherwise any LLM offers little benefit (just ask the recruiters).

The rankings are crap, and are really only helpful for students obsessed with status, and UG's choosing their first university.

The rankings for the LLM are simple: go to Oxbridge or the top four UoL law schools.

Specialisation is definitely the key for anyone planning to practice law after their LLM - otherwise any LLM offers little benefit (just ask the recruiters).

The rankings are crap, and are really only helpful for students obsessed with status, and UG's choosing their first university.

The rankings for the LLM are simple: go to Oxbridge or the top four UoL law schools.

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jackoune

Specialisation is definitely the key for anyone planning to practice law after their LLM - otherwise any LLM offers little benefit (just ask the recruiters).

The rankings are crap, and are really only helpful for students obsessed with status, and UG's choosing their first university.

The rankings for the LLM are simple: go to Oxbridge or the top four UoL law schools.



totally agree with U.
It U are looking for reputation go to oxbridge.
If U wanna specialise try to have a look to other opportunities!

<blockquote>Specialisation is definitely the key for anyone planning to practice law after their LLM - otherwise any LLM offers little benefit (just ask the recruiters).

The rankings are crap, and are really only helpful for students obsessed with status, and UG's choosing their first university.

The rankings for the LLM are simple: go to Oxbridge or the top four UoL law schools.

</blockquote>

totally agree with U.
It U are looking for reputation go to oxbridge.
If U wanna specialise try to have a look to other opportunities!
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Legal_Indi...

I think this new ranking makes more sense...!
Because....most universities were surviving on their old reputation and prestige. However, the Universities which have recently come up have actually made many neccessary changes for improving to that level. Just because a particular University is on the top for decades does not rule out the possibility that UCL cannot be graded above it. Probably Oxford and Cambridge are really good but probably UCL has had better things in the last 2-3 years.

Similarly in the case of Glasgow. Glasgow has had loads of important in the last few years. And the quality of students that graduated from there has been really impressive.

Likewise, Manchester has been dropped right down to 22....I had been arguing since the last one month that Manchester is over-ranked....it should be ranked much below...It has only been surviving on its old reputation. And finally i see that Guardian really considered the true value of Manchester.

however, having said the above, I won't argue that these are appropriate for an LLM course. But that does not mean that these rankings are wrong. They are right for LLB students....and an good guide for LLM students.

I think this new ranking makes more sense...!
Because....most universities were surviving on their old reputation and prestige. However, the Universities which have recently come up have actually made many neccessary changes for improving to that level. Just because a particular University is on the top for decades does not rule out the possibility that UCL cannot be graded above it. Probably Oxford and Cambridge are really good but probably UCL has had better things in the last 2-3 years.

Similarly in the case of Glasgow. Glasgow has had loads of important in the last few years. And the quality of students that graduated from there has been really impressive.

Likewise, Manchester has been dropped right down to 22....I had been arguing since the last one month that Manchester is over-ranked....it should be ranked much below...It has only been surviving on its old reputation. And finally i see that Guardian really considered the true value of Manchester.

however, having said the above, I won't argue that these are appropriate for an LLM course. But that does not mean that these rankings are wrong. They are right for LLB students....and an good guide for LLM students.
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beicon

I know most people don't like rankings and I'm also aware that they aren't to be taken as an irrefutable truth, but did you see the new Guardian ranking (for 2010)?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2009/may/12/university-guide-law

I know most people don't like rankings and I'm also aware that they aren't to be taken as an irrefutable truth, but did you see the new Guardian ranking (for 2010)?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2009/may/12/university-guide-law
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nok

Well the new ranking seem reasonable enough
but I would put KCL ahead of Edinburgh and on par with UCL.

Well the new ranking seem reasonable enough
but I would put KCL ahead of Edinburgh and on par with UCL.
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jackoune

Aberdeen 19th.......with Lancaster university before...let me laugh pleazzzzzzzz
This ranking is bullshit!

Aberdeen 19th.......with Lancaster university before...let me laugh pleazzzzzzzz
This ranking is bullshit!
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beicon

I agree with jackoune on this one. Aberdeen deserves to be much higher up in the ranking. But rankings aside, it's obviou no one would turn down Oxbridge for UCL... or Aberdeen for Lancaster... at least not when entering the LLM...

I agree with jackoune on this one. Aberdeen deserves to be much higher up in the ranking. But rankings aside, it's obviou no one would turn down Oxbridge for UCL... or Aberdeen for Lancaster... at least not when entering the LLM...
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banker3

Edinburgh should be lower than KCL and LSE

Edinburgh should be lower than KCL and LSE
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jackoune

Rankings can tell whatever they want, I agree with baicon, nobody agrees about the oxbridge and london supremacy.
Then, it really depends on the ranking.
I mean for instance how is it possible to see Aberdeen ranked second in a 2008 ranking and then 19th...what happened in a year...isn't it ridiculous...
I think that again, U should focus on Ur concentration.
Each uni has got its strong argument, no matter what x or y can say about it!

Rankings can tell whatever they want, I agree with baicon, nobody agrees about the oxbridge and london supremacy.
Then, it really depends on the ranking.
I mean for instance how is it possible to see Aberdeen ranked second in a 2008 ranking and then 19th...what happened in a year...isn't it ridiculous...
I think that again, U should focus on Ur concentration.
Each uni has got its strong argument, no matter what x or y can say about it!
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jackoune

sorry wanted to say that everybody agreed on the supremacy, sorry about that

sorry wanted to say that everybody agreed on the supremacy, sorry about that
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appu.apsi

hi all!!!

I got into Warwick for Int Corporate Governance and Financial Regulations. I intend to go on a loan. its a huge amount that i'll be borrowing. I want to know how good is the course, about the Univ, about the faculty and the job prospects? I am way too confused mainly cuz of the recession. I also want to know whether its feasible to work part time? kindly advice.

Regards
Aparna

hi all!!!

I got into Warwick for Int Corporate Governance and Financial Regulations. I intend to go on a loan. its a huge amount that i'll be borrowing. I want to know how good is the course, about the Univ, about the faculty and the job prospects? I am way too confused mainly cuz of the recession. I also want to know whether its feasible to work part time? kindly advice.

Regards
Aparna
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P_Martini

Look, I think UCL is fantastic, and I don't know what the ".00" means under "Student Satisfaction" for UCL and Oxford, but unless it means it's a perfect score (Can someone answer this for me, please?), how can UCL be ranked first overall when it doesn't have the top score in any of the individual categories? I suppose, mathematically, the average of its scores still can be the highest, but when we're already engaged in such a subjective process as ranking law departments, shouldn't you at least be able to say that within your survey, UCL is the best in a given category?

Look, I think UCL is fantastic, and I don't know what the ".00" means under "Student Satisfaction" for UCL and Oxford, but unless it means it's a perfect score (Can someone answer this for me, please?), how can UCL be ranked first overall when it doesn't have the top score in any of the individual categories? I suppose, mathematically, the average of its scores still can be the highest, but when we're already engaged in such a subjective process as ranking law departments, shouldn't you at least be able to say that within your survey, UCL is the best in a given category?
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jackoune

Look, I think UCL is fantastic, and I don't know what the ".00" means under "Student Satisfaction" for UCL and Oxford, but unless it means it's a perfect score (Can someone answer this for me, please?), how can UCL be ranked first overall when it doesn't have the top score in any of the individual categories? I suppose, mathematically, the average of its scores still can be the highest, but when we're already engaged in such a subjective process as ranking law departments, shouldn't you at least be able to say that within your survey, UCL is the best in a given category?

I think that 0.0 means that they refused to answer the questions.

<blockquote>Look, I think UCL is fantastic, and I don't know what the ".00" means under "Student Satisfaction" for UCL and Oxford, but unless it means it's a perfect score (Can someone answer this for me, please?), how can UCL be ranked first overall when it doesn't have the top score in any of the individual categories? I suppose, mathematically, the average of its scores still can be the highest, but when we're already engaged in such a subjective process as ranking law departments, shouldn't you at least be able to say that within your survey, UCL is the best in a given category?</blockquote>
I think that 0.0 means that they refused to answer the questions.
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