popular perception in India would perhaps rank oxford at th top followed closely by cambridge..LSE would most likely occupy th third place..thez ranking perceptions are more or less shared by majority here..
however as far ranks fourth n fifth are concerned there could a wide mixture of views..for instance those who want to specialise in Interdisciplinary or developmental studies would anyday prefer Warwick or SOAS (as 4th and 5th),,then ther are others who think that there's no point studying in UK if you dont study in london!! and accordingly UCL & King's would occupy 4th and 5th slots..
in my friends circle UCL & Warwick both have great reputation for their respective fields..
Most highly regarded internationally
Posted Jan 23, 2006 14:32
however as far ranks fourth n fifth are concerned there could a wide mixture of views..for instance those who want to specialise in Interdisciplinary or developmental studies would anyday prefer Warwick or SOAS (as 4th and 5th),,then ther are others who think that there's no point studying in UK if you dont study in london!! and accordingly UCL & King's would occupy 4th and 5th slots..
in my friends circle UCL & Warwick both have great reputation for their respective fields..
Posted Jan 23, 2006 17:13
Hi friends,
Where is all this leading us to? A reasonable person who wants to know the standings of any entity be it a university or anything else for that matter will look up the relevant standard appraising body for that particular filed. Perceptions are one thing and reality can be pretty different. Granted that elite institutions have thir own aura perhaps there may not be much to differentiate between nth ranked and n+1 th ranked institute and what may matter more is the qualities of the individual -- not that I am saying anything profound or remotely near it but what exactly are we trying to arrive at in this thread.
Not meant to tread on any ones feelings please.
Where is all this leading us to? A reasonable person who wants to know the standings of any entity be it a university or anything else for that matter will look up the relevant standard appraising body for that particular filed. Perceptions are one thing and reality can be pretty different. Granted that elite institutions have thir own aura perhaps there may not be much to differentiate between nth ranked and n+1 th ranked institute and what may matter more is the qualities of the individual -- not that I am saying anything profound or remotely near it but what exactly are we trying to arrive at in this thread.
Not meant to tread on any ones feelings please.
Posted Jan 23, 2006 17:39
I am trying to draw up a shortlist of unis that I should be looking at.
What is your career goal? What subjects do you wish to study to take reach it? Where do you want to work in the world? I presume you want to study in the UK rather than via distanc learning?
Some higher education institutions have supreme law faculties or schools, but only specialise in particular subject areas; other HEIs will have very good relationships with certain countries, and the graduates always do very well there, but not so in others.
Your goal should be to first consider your career ambitions then limit your choice of institutions based on that selection, rather than the other way round.
I am trying to draw up a shortlist of unis that I should be looking at. </blockquote>
What is your career goal? What subjects do you wish to study to take reach it? Where do you want to work in the world? I presume you want to study in the UK rather than via distanc learning?
Some higher education institutions have supreme law faculties or schools, but only specialise in particular subject areas; other HEIs will have very good relationships with certain countries, and the graduates always do very well there, but not so in others.
Your goal should be to first consider your career ambitions then limit your choice of institutions based on that selection, rather than the other way round.
Posted Jan 24, 2006 11:04
Hi,
my take on your querry basing on most perceptions around African countries that i have visited is as follows;
1Cambridge
2.Oxford
3.LSE
4.UCL
5.Manchester
Others like warwick,Durham,Birmingham ,SOAS and Bristol round up the other slots.
This inforamtion however becomes relevant only after you have identified your LLM because not all these universities have similar programmes.
As for pappu or whatever his signature is,perceptions will count when a scholar finally returns to their country because employers out here also thrive on perception.
Greetings from Uganda
my take on your querry basing on most perceptions around African countries that i have visited is as follows;
1Cambridge
2.Oxford
3.LSE
4.UCL
5.Manchester
Others like warwick,Durham,Birmingham ,SOAS and Bristol round up the other slots.
This inforamtion however becomes relevant only after you have identified your LLM because not all these universities have similar programmes.
As for pappu or whatever his signature is,perceptions will count when a scholar finally returns to their country because employers out here also thrive on perception.
Greetings from Uganda
Posted Jan 24, 2006 12:07
Accordingly, Warwick is unheard of among many and thus does not carry the same panache.
... hmmm, sayaks from Warwick Law School will hit back at your classification of Warwick.
He or she can hit back as much as they like. I'm only stating a fact. I never heard of Warwick before my LLM search nor have any of my friends. It may be very good but it lacks prestige.
Accordingly, Warwick is unheard of among many and thus does not carry the same panache.
... hmmm, sayaks from Warwick Law School will hit back at your classification of Warwick.</blockquote>
He or she can hit back as much as they like. I'm only stating a fact. I never heard of Warwick before my LLM search nor have any of my friends. It may be very good but it lacks prestige.
Posted Jan 24, 2006 12:24
Hi,
my take on your querry basing on most perceptions around African countries that i have visited is as follows;
1Cambridge
2.Oxford
3.LSE
4.UCL
5.Manchester
Others like warwick,Durham,Birmingham ,SOAS and Bristol round up the other slots.
This inforamtion however becomes relevant only after you have identified your LLM because not all these universities have similar programmes.
As for pappu or whatever his signature is,perceptions will count when a scholar finally returns to their country because employers out here also thrive on perception.
Greetings from Uganda
No Edinburgh or Kings?
my take on your querry basing on most perceptions around African countries that i have visited is as follows;
1Cambridge
2.Oxford
3.LSE
4.UCL
5.Manchester
Others like warwick,Durham,Birmingham ,SOAS and Bristol round up the other slots.
This inforamtion however becomes relevant only after you have identified your LLM because not all these universities have similar programmes.
As for pappu or whatever his signature is,perceptions will count when a scholar finally returns to their country because employers out here also thrive on perception.
Greetings from Uganda</blockquote>
No Edinburgh or Kings?
Posted Jan 25, 2006 11:59
Hi, as i had pointed out before,you as an individual have to first of all choose a programme. you can then proceed to look at these universities.You will also note that the universities that fall in the top ten or top twenty for that matter will have little or nothing between them.
Kings has recieved some good reviews over the years but as for reputation the earlier list actually still stands.
Edinburgh is a pretty good university as it and Glasgow are power houses in their area.These however are widely percieved as mostly academic and not practical.
Kings has recieved some good reviews over the years but as for reputation the earlier list actually still stands.
Edinburgh is a pretty good university as it and Glasgow are power houses in their area.These however are widely percieved as mostly academic and not practical.
Posted Jan 25, 2006 20:23
Accordingly, Warwick is unheard of among many and thus does not carry the same panache.
This shows your and your friends' ignorance.If you like millions other believe in "all that glitters is gold" then go ahead and fall in the pitfalls destined for people like you.Dig beneath the surface,question,analyze, collect information from reliable people,people those who have studied/studying at the various institutions.
For your information I had got through 14 universities in UK and chose Warwick over all others because of certain reasons.
Make whatever you are capable making out of it.
Accordingly, Warwick is unheard of among many and thus does not carry the same panache.
This shows your and your friends' ignorance.If you like millions other believe in "all that glitters is gold" then go ahead and fall in the pitfalls destined for people like you.Dig beneath the surface,question,analyze, collect information from reliable people,people those who have studied/studying at the various institutions.
For your information I had got through 14 universities in UK and chose Warwick over all others because of certain reasons.
Make whatever you are capable making out of it.
Posted Jan 25, 2006 22:07
...Sayaks hits back!!!
I warned you!
I warned you!
Posted Jan 26, 2006 10:35
Hey sayaks, dont get emotional. Like gaya says, its all perception, the real thing might be way different. I feel you though - a UK education (even in Warwick) is expensive and it doesnt do your ego any good for someone to so easily put down what you are paying so much for!
But you would agree that altho u gave up 14 universities for Warwick, schools like Oxbridge, UCL and LSE were not on the list of 14...
But you would agree that altho u gave up 14 universities for Warwick, schools like Oxbridge, UCL and LSE were not on the list of 14...
Posted Jan 26, 2006 11:33
Yep - u told me so bardiva ;-)
Sayaks - relax. This is not ignorance, it is general perception. I'm sorry but you cannot change the prestige of Warwick; it is unheard of here in Australia.
I asked around about Warwick and no one knew what it was. Afew guys thought it was a fictional character from Witches of Eastwick.
I'm sure it has a world class rep in Europe. But, not here in Oz. This thread is "most highly regarded internationally".
Also, choose your words more wisely mate. No ignorance just perception.
Sayaks - relax. This is not ignorance, it is general perception. I'm sorry but you cannot change the prestige of Warwick; it is unheard of here in Australia.
I asked around about Warwick and no one knew what it was. Afew guys thought it was a fictional character from Witches of Eastwick.
I'm sure it has a world class rep in Europe. But, not here in Oz. This thread is "most highly regarded internationally".
Also, choose your words more wisely mate. No ignorance just perception.
Posted Jan 26, 2006 15:15
Sorcerer initiated this thread thus:
"Hi everyone,
I am trying to draw up a shortlist of unis that I should be looking at. So I am hoping everyone here can help me out by just stating listing the top five British universities / law schools (in order beginning with the highest).
Please also state which country are you from and comment on whether your ranking reflects the perception in your own country. "
From there where are we heading to?
Is so much of argument neccessary?
one may be open to the fact that just because one has not heard of Euler or Lagrange they are non existant or nondescript .
May one ask what is the research methodology used in coming to a lot of generalisations which are being pontificated all round. What is the sample size? What means of testing of the hypothsis has been done?
Questions galore -- with very few convincing and reliable substantiation.
Perceptions matter a great deal granted ,but whose perceptions is the question and as students of law whose evidence is acceptable need not be elaborated here.
There are still people who beleive that that the earth is flat but I am sure it does not make it so.
I can understand Sayaks taking umbrage, nobody likes his alma mater to be taken lightly and with great respect to the various people anyone worth his salt with regard to legal education in UK would know that Warwick is good by any yardstick.
I will be surprised if someone or the other does not lambast me.
!!!
"Hi everyone,
I am trying to draw up a shortlist of unis that I should be looking at. So I am hoping everyone here can help me out by just stating listing the top five British universities / law schools (in order beginning with the highest).
Please also state which country are you from and comment on whether your ranking reflects the perception in your own country. "
From there where are we heading to?
Is so much of argument neccessary?
one may be open to the fact that just because one has not heard of Euler or Lagrange they are non existant or nondescript .
May one ask what is the research methodology used in coming to a lot of generalisations which are being pontificated all round. What is the sample size? What means of testing of the hypothsis has been done?
Questions galore -- with very few convincing and reliable substantiation.
Perceptions matter a great deal granted ,but whose perceptions is the question and as students of law whose evidence is acceptable need not be elaborated here.
There are still people who beleive that that the earth is flat but I am sure it does not make it so.
I can understand Sayaks taking umbrage, nobody likes his alma mater to be taken lightly and with great respect to the various people anyone worth his salt with regard to legal education in UK would know that Warwick is good by any yardstick.
I will be surprised if someone or the other does not lambast me.
!!!
Posted Jan 26, 2006 15:46
James
UCL and Kings were there in the list of 14 univs.As far as LSE is concerned I already had a senior of mine studying there and whatever LSE might me good for, LLM is not its mug of beer.
UCL and Kings were there in the list of 14 univs.As far as LSE is concerned I already had a senior of mine studying there and whatever LSE might me good for, LLM is not its mug of beer.
Posted Jan 26, 2006 15:52
Capa
I am as relaxed as an Australian in a sunny beach with a Fosters in hand.
Caution needs to be exercised when dealing with potentially controversial/emotive subjects.
You and "your mates" around you have a twisted sense of perception.
I was saving this for the last and please devour it now.
RAE is the only Government agency drawing up a list of Reputed unis every 5/6/7 years on behalf of the UK government.Please do lark around in the vast world of internet a little bit more and find out Warwick's RAE ranking.
I am more than sure that prospective students from Australia will be guided by hard and reliable facts and not by sparrings of people like us.
I am as relaxed as an Australian in a sunny beach with a Fosters in hand.
Caution needs to be exercised when dealing with potentially controversial/emotive subjects.
You and "your mates" around you have a twisted sense of perception.
I was saving this for the last and please devour it now.
RAE is the only Government agency drawing up a list of Reputed unis every 5/6/7 years on behalf of the UK government.Please do lark around in the vast world of internet a little bit more and find out Warwick's RAE ranking.
I am more than sure that prospective students from Australia will be guided by hard and reliable facts and not by sparrings of people like us.
Posted Jan 26, 2006 23:39
Sayaks, pipe down - these guys are just pulling your legs waiting to see your reaction. And you re falling for it!
Warwicks is a good school(even if I think you over rate it), so ignore the jibes! Ha!
Warwicks is a good school(even if I think you over rate it), so ignore the jibes! Ha!
Posted Jan 27, 2006 00:47
I think some of you people to chill a little! :-) Why get so stressed out and hostile in these forums?
For the record:
1. I don't think questions like 'which unis are the most highly regarded internationally' are redundant and worthless. On the contrary, I think it is extremely helpful to potential LLM students. For my part, I came here to seek views when I had to choose where to go, and I daresay I received a lot of useful advice/views, which were valuable in helping me choose Harvard over Oxford.
2. I think there is nothing wrong at all with 'perception'. Indeed, with regards to university rankings, 'perception' is sometimes more important than 'facts'. The latest Guardian rankings tell me that Manchester is a better law school than Cambridge - do you think anyone in the UK (or anywhere else) will believe that? The 2001 RAE law ranking puts Keele ahead of King's College London - again, does that matter? Magic Circle law firms will continue to target their traditional universities, irrespective of which universities have 'better teaching quality'.
Prestige is very important in a law school, all the more so for international students. In Hong Kong, UCL and KCL law graduates dominate the judiciary and the Bar - so, of course these universities are more 'prestigious' there. By definition, the prestige of a law school is necessarily subjective. What the original poster asked for was a (necessarily subjective) view of individuals as to which law schools in England were regarded as prestigious in various countries.
This is extremely important to a person who plans to return to his home country. For example, however outstanding a law school Durham might be, if it is completely unheard of by the 'ignorant' people of Ruritania, then a Durham LLM is not very useful to a person from Ruritania. Conversely, if UCL is highly regarded by the 'ignorant' people of Ruritania (who are 'foolish' enough not to know how 'poorly taught' the UCL LLM is), then a UCL LLM is nonetheless more useful to a person from Ruritania.
With regards to prestige, there is no right or wrong.
For the record:
1. I don't think questions like 'which unis are the most highly regarded internationally' are redundant and worthless. On the contrary, I think it is extremely helpful to potential LLM students. For my part, I came here to seek views when I had to choose where to go, and I daresay I received a lot of useful advice/views, which were valuable in helping me choose Harvard over Oxford.
2. I think there is nothing wrong at all with 'perception'. Indeed, with regards to university rankings, 'perception' is sometimes more important than 'facts'. The latest Guardian rankings tell me that Manchester is a better law school than Cambridge - do you think anyone in the UK (or anywhere else) will believe that? The 2001 RAE law ranking puts Keele ahead of King's College London - again, does that matter? Magic Circle law firms will continue to target their traditional universities, irrespective of which universities have 'better teaching quality'.
Prestige is very important in a law school, all the more so for international students. In Hong Kong, UCL and KCL law graduates dominate the judiciary and the Bar - so, of course these universities are more 'prestigious' there. By definition, the prestige of a law school is necessarily subjective. What the original poster asked for was a (necessarily subjective) view of individuals as to which law schools in England were regarded as prestigious in various countries.
This is extremely important to a person who plans to return to his home country. For example, however outstanding a law school Durham might be, if it is completely unheard of by the 'ignorant' people of Ruritania, then a Durham LLM is not very useful to a person from Ruritania. Conversely, if UCL is highly regarded by the 'ignorant' people of Ruritania (who are 'foolish' enough not to know how 'poorly taught' the UCL LLM is), then a UCL LLM is nonetheless more useful to a person from Ruritania.
With regards to prestige, there is no right or wrong.
Posted Jan 27, 2006 03:48
Kazaf - nice answer! Also, congrats on Harvard admission!!! I think most of us would love to have that option! Harvard or Oxford...
Posted Jan 27, 2006 12:32
Hiya Bechham...you thought I did not know that? LOL...
But just wanted to make sure that prospective students visiting the site(who presumably are greenhorns) do not limit their choices based on the glitz of London.
Kazaf your post is nice and realistic.A good read.
But just wanted to make sure that prospective students visiting the site(who presumably are greenhorns) do not limit their choices based on the glitz of London.
Kazaf your post is nice and realistic.A good read.
Posted Jan 27, 2006 18:57
Kazaf, nice post. Would have been perfect but for your erroneous calssification of UCL's LLM as being poorly taught. Nothing could be farther from the truth and you do great lecturers like Michael Bridge, Ronald Dworking, Ian Fletcher and Philippe Sands such injustice by so putting down a programme which they teach!
Posted Jan 27, 2006 20:03
As a matter of fact how many people know that there are very few classes to attend and very few exams to give in the UCL LLM?
A batch-mate of mine from my Indian Law school is studying in the present batch and she is far from being happy or impressed about the course.
A batch-mate of mine from my Indian Law school is studying in the present batch and she is far from being happy or impressed about the course.
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