JJ2009.. what is your openion regarding this issue?.. and i believe many appplicants do have the same issues as i have... i request them to post what they think over this issue.
Loan Vs. US top 15 Vs. UK top 10
Posted Feb 22, 2009 19:27
Posted Feb 22, 2009 21:46
1-Georgetown*
2-Vander
3-King's
2-Vander
3-King's
Posted Feb 23, 2009 06:36
Without any doubt...GULC and Vandy!!!!
LLM's in the U.S from any top 50 school are well worth it!!! You have broad curriculum...evaluation takes place in two semesters...!
Kings...4 5 modules yearly and lets face it...UK legal profession does not give a fig about LLM's... I would always pick a U.S LLM over a UK!!!! The nature of the UK profession is not very receptive of LLM's.
Come to the U.S and you won't regret!
LLM's in the U.S from any top 50 school are well worth it!!! You have broad curriculum...evaluation takes place in two semesters...!
Kings...4 5 modules yearly and lets face it...UK legal profession does not give a fig about LLM's... I would always pick a U.S LLM over a UK!!!! The nature of the UK profession is not very receptive of LLM's.
Come to the U.S and you won't regret!
Posted Feb 23, 2009 07:37
JJ2009.. what is your openion regarding this issue?.. and i believe many appplicants do have the same issues as i have... i request them to post what they think over this issue.
I said earlier that KCL is much more worth it.
But it would certainly make a difference if your aim is to get a job in a US law firm. In that case, a LLM in US would definitely serve your purpose better (though personally I don't think doing a LLM in US is that intellectually challenging--I didn't apply for a LLM in US).
I said earlier that KCL is much more worth it.
But it would certainly make a difference if your aim is to get a job in a US law firm. In that case, a LLM in US would definitely serve your purpose better (though personally I don't think doing a LLM in US is that intellectually challenging--I didn't apply for a LLM in US).
Posted Feb 23, 2009 07:47
are you kidding?
US profession in not LLM receptive
it's common knowledge that US law market prefers a US J.D and not an LLM!
As for the module difference it relates to the different approach to Law teaching....!
US profession in not LLM receptive
it's common knowledge that US law market prefers a US J.D and not an LLM!
As for the module difference it relates to the different approach to Law teaching....!
Posted Feb 23, 2009 07:54
if you have an offer from a top 7 US university and you have the funds, go for it
if not KCL/UCL is a better choice (depending on the subject)
LLM's are almost useless (especially in this crisis) in the US even with a Bar, a US JD is a must if you want to work there.
if not KCL/UCL is a better choice (depending on the subject)
LLM's are almost useless (especially in this crisis) in the US even with a Bar, a US JD is a must if you want to work there.
Posted Feb 23, 2009 07:58
Different opinions and views..
I would certainly pick an LLM in the US over the UK. UK LLM's are a waste of money
In the U.S you have a good input. Spend 8,000 pounds for 5 modules? not my cup of tea!!!
UK legal profession does not give a fig about LLM courses...this is a reality!
I would certainly pick an LLM in the US over the UK. UK LLM's are a waste of money
In the U.S you have a good input. Spend 8,000 pounds for 5 modules? not my cup of tea!!!
UK legal profession does not give a fig about LLM courses...this is a reality!
Posted Feb 23, 2009 08:09
This is an argument about the name and not the course content.
Some of these people don't give a fig if they are studying for F Y or Z as long as they have a huge name on the CV.
Sadly, It is the way it works in this profession. The truth is, if you want to experience a different environment, friendly and college experience come to the U.S. If you don't give a damn of what you study, just pay 60,000 and go to a huge name school but don't expect to be treated as an associate in the U.S.
London is great as well...but the weather and the over pricing is a huge turn off. Legal profession, again super inclusive.
All of those schools are good, but what do you want exactly with all this offers? If you want to work in the U.S be aware that the market is not good now! In London, things are worse and the fact that the profession is so inclusive, does not help at all.
Diversity, international practice, all great selling material! In reality they don't hire LLM's because the sort of exposure in an LLM for UK lawyers is useless, as they done it in the LLB. People from civil law, need the background and that is why they tend to do it!.
Plus, if you have an accent, some firms pick on this as well. I know it sounds crazy, but it is the way it works.
For the safe side, oyu might consider stay in Europe and then later come to the U.S if you are really keen in working here.
I hope this helps.!!!
Some of these people don't give a fig if they are studying for F Y or Z as long as they have a huge name on the CV.
Sadly, It is the way it works in this profession. The truth is, if you want to experience a different environment, friendly and college experience come to the U.S. If you don't give a damn of what you study, just pay 60,000 and go to a huge name school but don't expect to be treated as an associate in the U.S.
London is great as well...but the weather and the over pricing is a huge turn off. Legal profession, again super inclusive.
All of those schools are good, but what do you want exactly with all this offers? If you want to work in the U.S be aware that the market is not good now! In London, things are worse and the fact that the profession is so inclusive, does not help at all.
Diversity, international practice, all great selling material! In reality they don't hire LLM's because the sort of exposure in an LLM for UK lawyers is useless, as they done it in the LLB. People from civil law, need the background and that is why they tend to do it!.
Plus, if you have an accent, some firms pick on this as well. I know it sounds crazy, but it is the way it works.
For the safe side, oyu might consider stay in Europe and then later come to the U.S if you are really keen in working here.
I hope this helps.!!!
Posted Feb 23, 2009 08:53
is the name of UCL/KCL/LSE not prestigious enough? ( I will not mention Oxbridge which is, in my humble opinion better thn HLS/YLS
Posted Feb 23, 2009 13:34
I have not said that the US LLM is far better than that in KCL, however i come to know about that we may opt six modules in KCL.. the only aspect is that ,in Top law schools at USA, we do have to spend twice ( 63,000$ with living and tuition fee) than in KCL ( 30,000$) at London.. Means we can do another LLM from UK... but in USA, LLM is more prcatical course.. Do you think LLM in USA is really a significant aspect that is really worth of such an extent that we should pursue it,even we'll not get chance to get any kind of work ex. in USA , since it will be better for our respective countries.. Is that so... that we should spend 30,000$ extra for an year..
Now i think that the person who has a mix experience of both US and Uk legal education or working experience, can tell me the best option...
What do you all think on this matter? and i have seen more mature people inclined for a US LLM,than those of young graduate for LLM from UK... That still i am not able to find the positive reasoning behind it?...
Now i think that the person who has a mix experience of both US and Uk legal education or working experience, can tell me the best option...
What do you all think on this matter? and i have seen more mature people inclined for a US LLM,than those of young graduate for LLM from UK... That still i am not able to find the positive reasoning behind it?...
Posted Feb 23, 2009 16:10
USA law firms do not particularly value the LLM. The primary exception is tax law. However, one of my friends (who is a native of the USA) received a tax law LLM from Georgetown with top honors, and even he had difficulty securing a job with a tax firm two years ago...before the recession.
In general (with exceptions, of course), I do not think that earning an LLM from a top law school in the USA is worthwhile for a newer law school graduate -- regardless of the graduate's country of origin.
In general (with exceptions, of course), I do not think that earning an LLM from a top law school in the USA is worthwhile for a newer law school graduate -- regardless of the graduate's country of origin.
Posted Feb 23, 2009 16:17
I completely agree with LawyerinUSA. LLM is , in these difficult times, LLM is practically worthless in the quest of securing a job as in the US. It could get you a paralegal position. Tax LLM used to be an exception.
Posted Feb 23, 2009 16:21
LawyerinUSA: you are obviously right
nicktracy:it common knowldge that US market is not LLM receptive...not at all...........
nicktracy:it common knowldge that US market is not LLM receptive...not at all...........
Posted Feb 23, 2009 16:42
And what is your openion about for a person having three years of work ex. in his/her respective country in International commercial transactions and Litigation.. applying in his/her country in a US based law firm or company for a job , after an LLM from USA in International Business and Economical laws from top law schools ( ranked between 9 to 14) (include Georgetown,Northwestern/Kellogg in this list)... or an UK LLM from KCL will carry the equal weight while applying positions in native country in US based firms (not a law firm in all cases)..
However my second question is related to the impact of advance studies in your career with a LLM from USA or UK?
I believe that certainly, in most of the cases you will study the advance subjects in law, which you cant learn in your countries ( like competition laws,M&A,International tax..) , so i believe that certainly the firms will consider such an international exposure in your resume ,when you apply for a position in foreign companies/MNC in your country.. what do you think in this case?
However my second question is related to the impact of advance studies in your career with a LLM from USA or UK?
I believe that certainly, in most of the cases you will study the advance subjects in law, which you cant learn in your countries ( like competition laws,M&A,International tax..) , so i believe that certainly the firms will consider such an international exposure in your resume ,when you apply for a position in foreign companies/MNC in your country.. what do you think in this case?
Posted Feb 23, 2009 16:50
US law firms would obviously prefers US education
choosing to go to the US or to the UK for postgraduate studies depends on your aims and objectives but in general in term of which is more "prestigious", I think KCL competes with the best in the US other than top 5.
choosing to go to the US or to the UK for postgraduate studies depends on your aims and objectives but in general in term of which is more "prestigious", I think KCL competes with the best in the US other than top 5.
Posted Feb 25, 2009 23:39
nicktracy, in all your post you have been writing that your country has more US law firms ....and of course, you are from Asia...I guess, its time you should let us know, which country in asia you are talking so much about which has so many US law firms? The discussions then will be better coz ppl know the facts/state of the countries/cities in Asia....
Last time I asked you whther u are from Singapore or Hongkong?.....U denied that.....
In my opinion, theres nothing to hide and u must let ppl on this forum know which country in asia has more US law firms....:) It will be a general knowledge for all of us.....:) coz if by any chance you are from China, then I would say that I didnt know that China has so many US based law firms.
ppl in this forum are very open about the identity of their country.
Am forced to ask the question again coz...all your post I always read that "my city has a lot of US based law firm"....so pls enlighten us with the name of the city in Asia which has so many US based law firms other than Singapore and Hongkong....:)....and think you should not mind this at all!!!
Last time I asked you whther u are from Singapore or Hongkong?.....U denied that.....
In my opinion, theres nothing to hide and u must let ppl on this forum know which country in asia has more US law firms....:) It will be a general knowledge for all of us.....:) coz if by any chance you are from China, then I would say that I didnt know that China has so many US based law firms.
ppl in this forum are very open about the identity of their country.
Am forced to ask the question again coz...all your post I always read that "my city has a lot of US based law firm"....so pls enlighten us with the name of the city in Asia which has so many US based law firms other than Singapore and Hongkong....:)....and think you should not mind this at all!!!
Posted Feb 25, 2009 23:43
I hope you are not talking abt LPOs.....when you say "US based firms (not really law firms)"?
Posted Feb 26, 2009 03:47
hehe my guess is philippines
Posted Feb 26, 2009 09:03
lets see when does our friend reveal which city he/she belongs to.......till that time we all can keep guessing....:):):)
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