LLM in Maritime Law


mandavi
hi .. i intend to pursue LLM in Maritime law and i m extrmely confused about d choice to make between Southampton, UCL, Brisol.
if one had to rank these colleges could anyone please help me out with that. Anyone who has an idea about d reputation n recognition of NUS for its maritime law ?? i would be really grateful id sumone could help me with tht !
hi .. i intend to pursue LLM in Maritime law and i m extrmely confused about d choice to make between Southampton, UCL, Brisol.
if one had to rank these colleges could anyone please help me out with that. Anyone who has an idea about d reputation n recognition of NUS for its maritime law ?? i would be really grateful id sumone could help me with tht !
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bazzy
Hi Mandavi!

If you can get into UCL that's great! But otherwise try for Southampton or Swansea both are really good! One thing I have heard specially about maritime Law courses is that there are two types of colleges: First where the teaching staff is full time a considerable number of students study and have a good support staff (Southampton and Swansea belongs to this category). The other is a very small staff some visiting lecturers and a meagre library, not a proper place to learn the discipline but get a vocational course at the most (UCL is one of them) but this what i have heard! as far as NUS is concerned if you can manage it i would advise don't think twice about anything else and go there! Remember, the world economy is moving towards Asia and companies would definitely prefer students graduated from a South East Asian Country! also the job market is better in South East Asia than Europe any day! But time is not on your side I am afraid the Application for NUS closes 1st December and they really insist on 1st Class percentage.Also Why don't you try for IMLI, Malta or University of Oslo? if you can manage in any one of them, nothing like it. Incidentally i have Applied to Southampton and Swansea for 2011-2012 and i am keeping my fingers tightly crossed! Hope the info helps! All the Best!
Hi Mandavi!

If you can get into UCL that's great! But otherwise try for Southampton or Swansea both are really good! One thing I have heard specially about maritime Law courses is that there are two types of colleges: First where the teaching staff is full time a considerable number of students study and have a good support staff (Southampton and Swansea belongs to this category). The other is a very small staff some visiting lecturers and a meagre library, not a proper place to learn the discipline but get a vocational course at the most (UCL is one of them) but this what i have heard! as far as NUS is concerned if you can manage it i would advise don't think twice about anything else and go there! Remember, the world economy is moving towards Asia and companies would definitely prefer students graduated from a South East Asian Country! also the job market is better in South East Asia than Europe any day! But time is not on your side I am afraid the Application for NUS closes 1st December and they really insist on 1st Class percentage.Also Why don't you try for IMLI, Malta or University of Oslo? if you can manage in any one of them, nothing like it. Incidentally i have Applied to Southampton and Swansea for 2011-2012 and i am keeping my fingers tightly crossed! Hope the info helps! All the Best!
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mandavi
hey bazzy thanks a ton for tht info...
well i was lookin at Oslo bt haven applied yet only cs its d EU n job opportunities thr r very very limited..
for me my main criteria is to look at d job market aftr dis course. if u ve any info on tht i would b highly grateful. well for NUS i do ve a first class n d 1st dec shud nt really b a difficult target to meet cs Oslo also closes on d 1st Dec but m only apprehensive about d job opportunities tht one has aftr doin d course. if u have any clue bout tht plslet me no...
hey bazzy thanks a ton for tht info...
well i was lookin at Oslo bt haven applied yet only cs its d EU n job opportunities thr r very very limited..
for me my main criteria is to look at d job market aftr dis course. if u ve any info on tht i would b highly grateful. well for NUS i do ve a first class n d 1st dec shud nt really b a difficult target to meet cs Oslo also closes on d 1st Dec but m only apprehensive about d job opportunities tht one has aftr doin d course. if u have any clue bout tht plslet me no...
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bazzy
Hi Mandavi,

You see the job opportunities is the only thing I am still not clear about, though people are saying that the job opportunity is good in this branch of law, what being about the only industry which has not been affected overmuch by the recession and everything, but I guess that's the part of the risk we all need to take, but it seems NUS would surely have better opportunity. By the way are youa student or are you practicing?
Hi Mandavi,

You see the job opportunities is the only thing I am still not clear about, though people are saying that the job opportunity is good in this branch of law, what being about the only industry which has not been affected overmuch by the recession and everything, but I guess that's the part of the risk we all need to take, but it seems NUS would surely have better opportunity. By the way are youa student or are you practicing?
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kosta
My friend bazzy (galoston) and the others

I completed my LLM studies at Swansea a few years ago. When I was there, I was plasantly suprised of the high quality of teaching but what suprised me most is the reputation the degree and Swansea enjoy outside Swansea. The Shipping and Trade Law and Swansea are well-known and regarded in Greece, Australia, India, China, Singapore and even the States. After completing my degree it opened the doors for me to have a job in a Law Firm specialising in shipping in Greece. from thereonwards, I got a job in an international law firm based in Melborne. I am now moving to Singapore to a better job. The teaching is not only perfect at Swansea but is also practice oriented. Once I got a job in a shipping firm I noticed how much practical knowledge our l;ecturers passed on to us. I also heard that the School has done very well in the most recent Resaerch Exercise- 95 % of its research has been graded as achieving international standards. That was not of course a suprise to me as I witnessed first hand how good it was. In short, if you looking for a career in maritime law in a respectable institution my advice is consider going to Swansea. It was the right choice for me!

Kosta
My friend bazzy (galoston) and the others

I completed my LLM studies at Swansea a few years ago. When I was there, I was plasantly suprised of the high quality of teaching but what suprised me most is the reputation the degree and Swansea enjoy outside Swansea. The Shipping and Trade Law and Swansea are well-known and regarded in Greece, Australia, India, China, Singapore and even the States. After completing my degree it opened the doors for me to have a job in a Law Firm specialising in shipping in Greece. from thereonwards, I got a job in an international law firm based in Melborne. I am now moving to Singapore to a better job. The teaching is not only perfect at Swansea but is also practice oriented. Once I got a job in a shipping firm I noticed how much practical knowledge our l;ecturers passed on to us. I also heard that the School has done very well in the most recent Resaerch Exercise- 95 % of its research has been graded as achieving international standards. That was not of course a suprise to me as I witnessed first hand how good it was. In short, if you looking for a career in maritime law in a respectable institution my advice is consider going to Swansea. It was the right choice for me!

Kosta
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bazzy
Hey Kosta! I really don't know what to say to you dude! This is exactly what I was looking for when I joined this forum, someone who can actually tell me first hand about the maritime law course and job opportunities after wards. Thanks a Lot mate! that was just awesome!
Hey Kosta! I really don't know what to say to you dude! This is exactly what I was looking for when I joined this forum, someone who can actually tell me first hand about the maritime law course and job opportunities after wards. Thanks a Lot mate! that was just awesome!
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Hi there, I am a Master Mariner with 17 years experience sailing cargo vessels all over the world. I am quite keen to persue the LLM Maritime law at Southampton University. My only hesitation is the job scene after the LLM course.
I would much appreciate any comments / feedback
Hi there, I am a Master Mariner with 17 years experience sailing cargo vessels all over the world. I am quite keen to persue the LLM Maritime law at Southampton University. My only hesitation is the job scene after the LLM course.
I would much appreciate any comments / feedback
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Dear Capt Samir,

When you start your master at the university of southampton you can be very sure that you will find a job as a foreign lawyer, as maritime law is dominated by english tradition. I'm currently persuing the master at the university of Oslo and I'm not that happy with the LLM. It is very poor organized and the courses focus too much on the Scandinavian perspective. Practically you just need to know your book by heart and then you pass all exams. Lectures are just a recapitulation of the book. There is not a lot of practise eather. Although this institute in Oslo has rather an academic reputation, you don't need to write any papers and if you do, they are not graded. I advise you not to apply to Oslo and its Scandinavian institute for maritime law if you want to have a practical view on maritime law and not just fill your year with reading books and following few lectures repeating those books you read literally.

The university of Cape Town is also very good for maritime law. Prof. Hare is a very good professor but he retired some time ago. If I could choose again, I would pick southampton for sure!

Good luck with your choice!
Dear Capt Samir,

When you start your master at the university of southampton you can be very sure that you will find a job as a foreign lawyer, as maritime law is dominated by english tradition. I'm currently persuing the master at the university of Oslo and I'm not that happy with the LLM. It is very poor organized and the courses focus too much on the Scandinavian perspective. Practically you just need to know your book by heart and then you pass all exams. Lectures are just a recapitulation of the book. There is not a lot of practise eather. Although this institute in Oslo has rather an academic reputation, you don't need to write any papers and if you do, they are not graded. I advise you not to apply to Oslo and its Scandinavian institute for maritime law if you want to have a practical view on maritime law and not just fill your year with reading books and following few lectures repeating those books you read literally.

The university of Cape Town is also very good for maritime law. Prof. Hare is a very good professor but he retired some time ago. If I could choose again, I would pick southampton for sure!

Good luck with your choice!
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maritimeco...
Maritime Law is a distinct body of law which governs maritime questions and offenses. It is a body of both domestic law governing maritime activities, and private international law governing the relationships between private entities which operate vessels on the oceans. It deals with matters including marine commerce, marine navigation, shipping, sailors, and the transportation of passengers and goods by sea. Admiralty law also covers many commercial activities, although land based or occurring wholly on land, that are maritime in character.
Maritime Law is a distinct body of law which governs maritime questions and offenses. It is a body of both domestic law governing maritime activities, and private international law governing the relationships between private entities which operate vessels on the oceans. It deals with matters including marine commerce, marine navigation, shipping, sailors, and the transportation of passengers and goods by sea. Admiralty law also covers many commercial activities, although land based or occurring wholly on land, that are maritime in character.
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hi,

I am currently working as a second officer onboard Maersk vessels. I am planning to complete my Masters exam from southampton UK in April 2013. After that I am currently planning to do my LLM (maritime law). I would like to know which are the best places to do LLM from and what are my career prospects (having a background in the merchant navy). Also how much will it cost (rough estimate)?
hi,

I am currently working as a second officer onboard Maersk vessels. I am planning to complete my Masters exam from southampton UK in April 2013. After that I am currently planning to do my LLM (maritime law). I would like to know which are the best places to do LLM from and what are my career prospects (having a background in the merchant navy). Also how much will it cost (rough estimate)?
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Raking up and old thread. I'm a seafarer too (chief engineer) and was wondering if any of the earlier contributors to this thread went on to earned their llm maritime law degree and what their employment prospects turned out to be?

any feedback or just general advice would be greatly appreciated guys.
Raking up and old thread. I'm a seafarer too (chief engineer) and was wondering if any of the earlier contributors to this thread went on to earned their llm maritime law degree and what their employment prospects turned out to be?

any feedback or just general advice would be greatly appreciated guys.
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Please dont pursue maritime law..its a waste of time and MONEY..no jobs in India and abroad they want experience...not easy for Indians
Please dont pursue maritime law..its a waste of time and MONEY..no jobs in India and abroad they want experience...not easy for Indians
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Hi

I am wondering if anybody could advise me whether Nottingham is a good place to study Maritime Law? Which should I choose between Nottingham and UCL? as I see their website that UCL got no full time professor at all. Anybody has had their experience studying there for Maritime Law?

Thanks!
Hi

I am wondering if anybody could advise me whether Nottingham is a good place to study Maritime Law? Which should I choose between Nottingham and UCL? as I see their website that UCL got no full time professor at all. Anybody has had their experience studying there for Maritime Law?

Thanks!
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flori
Hello,

Hi
I am wondering if anybody could advise me whether Nottingham is a good place to study Maritime Law?
Thanks!


Nottingham University is generally an excellent place to study law and as long as Prof. Bennett continues to be responsible for some modules of the LLM maritime law, it will remain a very good place to study maritime law...

Bye
flori
Hello,

<blockquote>Hi
I am wondering if anybody could advise me whether Nottingham is a good place to study Maritime Law?
Thanks!</blockquote>

Nottingham University is generally an excellent place to study law and as long as Prof. Bennett continues to be responsible for some modules of the LLM maritime law, it will remain a very good place to study maritime law...

Bye
flori
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kevin72
Hi Flori,
Kindly share your thoughts regarding an LLM in Maritime law from NUS Singapore.
I am a Chief Engineer in Merchant Ships and have sufficient shore experience under various domains like ship construction/ ship management/ Maritime training etc. Apart from this i do have an LLB degree and has a license to practice in India.
My area of interest is Marine Insurance though not necessarily restricted to the same , which i intend to pursue in this part of the globe. My expectations are in being an In-house counsel for a shipping company / Marine arbitration / P&I Clubs etc.
Kindly advice my scope in the field and whether an LLM in maritime law from NUS will be of any help for the same. Since I would prefer to work in the Indian Sub Continent , dont you feel I would be better of doing the LLM at singapore.
Many thnx in advance.
Hi Flori,
Kindly share your thoughts regarding an LLM in Maritime law from NUS Singapore.
I am a Chief Engineer in Merchant Ships and have sufficient shore experience under various domains like ship construction/ ship management/ Maritime training etc. Apart from this i do have an LLB degree and has a license to practice in India.
My area of interest is Marine Insurance though not necessarily restricted to the same , which i intend to pursue in this part of the globe. My expectations are in being an In-house counsel for a shipping company / Marine arbitration / P&I Clubs etc.
Kindly advice my scope in the field and whether an LLM in maritime law from NUS will be of any help for the same. Since I would prefer to work in the Indian Sub Continent , dont you feel I would be better of doing the LLM at singapore.
Many thnx in advance.
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ftakd
Hello everyone,

I've just applied the LLM programmes listed below:
Southampton (Maritime Law)
Swansea (International Commercial and Maritime Law)
QMUL (International Shipping Law)
City University London (Maritime Law)

Can any of you suggest me that Which one would be the best choice in order to reach P&I Clubs (or able to do internship in P&I Clubs) ?

I think this subject will help those who want to be a maritime lawyer and seek the client for it.
Hello everyone,

I've just applied the LLM programmes listed below:
Southampton (Maritime Law)
Swansea (International Commercial and Maritime Law)
QMUL (International Shipping Law)
City University London (Maritime Law)

Can any of you suggest me that Which one would be the best choice in order to reach P&I Clubs (or able to do internship in P&I Clubs) ?

I think this subject will help those who want to be a maritime lawyer and seek the client for it.
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kosta
I did my llm At swansea and that enabled me to get a job in p @ I sector straight after. They have very serious and genuine links with the sector and practice, the employers appreciate them and they have fantastic lecturers something which London universities are thin on ground for! Just check the named involved in teaching.

Anyway, that is my experience. I strongly recommend swansea to you.

Best

Kota
I did my llm At swansea and that enabled me to get a job in p @ I sector straight after. They have very serious and genuine links with the sector and practice, the employers appreciate them and they have fantastic lecturers something which London universities are thin on ground for! Just check the named involved in teaching.

Anyway, that is my experience. I strongly recommend swansea to you.

Best

Kota
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flori
Hello Kevin72,

Hi Flori,
Kindly share your thoughts regarding an LLM in Maritime law from NUS Singapore.

(...)

Kindly advice my scope in the field and whether an LLM in maritime law from NUS will be of any help for the same. Since I would prefer to work in the Indian Sub Continent , dont you feel I would be better of doing the LLM at singapore.
Many thnx in advance.


Frank disclosure:
I have no clue about the job market for LLM graduates in India.

Consequently I do not know, whether
a) the LLM would work as an entry-ticket to the described job positions,
b) if so, whether Singapore or Great Britain would be the the more suitable choice.

Do you have any industry contacts? It is probably the best thing to ask people with specific knowledge regarding this particular area (Shipping company AND India).

Apart from that NUS is a reputable university and you probably would not go wrong with this choice...

Bye
flori
Hello Kevin72,

<blockquote>Hi Flori,
Kindly share your thoughts regarding an LLM in Maritime law from NUS Singapore.

(...)

Kindly advice my scope in the field and whether an LLM in maritime law from NUS will be of any help for the same. Since I would prefer to work in the Indian Sub Continent , dont you feel I would be better of doing the LLM at singapore.
Many thnx in advance.</blockquote>

Frank disclosure:
I have no clue about the job market for LLM graduates in India.

Consequently I do not know, whether
a) the LLM would work as an entry-ticket to the described job positions,
b) if so, whether Singapore or Great Britain would be the the more suitable choice.

Do you have any industry contacts? It is probably the best thing to ask people with specific knowledge regarding this particular area (Shipping company AND India).

Apart from that NUS is a reputable university and you probably would not go wrong with this choice...

Bye
flori
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ftakd
I did my llm At swansea and that enabled me to get a job in p @ I sector straight after. They have very serious and genuine links with the sector and practice, the employers appreciate them and they have fantastic lecturers something which London universities are thin on ground for! Just check the named involved in teaching.

Anyway, that is my experience. I strongly recommend swansea to you.


Best

Kota


hello kosta,

Thank you so much for your kind message.

I am wondering if you give some information about your P&I experience?

- When and which club did you work?
- Did you apply clubs for job or did they find you before your graduation? How could you succeed it? :)
- Finally how about your graduation degree at swansea? İs this very good or average level?

Thank you so much again.
<blockquote>I did my llm At swansea and that enabled me to get a job in p @ I sector straight after. They have very serious and genuine links with the sector and practice, the employers appreciate them and they have fantastic lecturers something which London universities are thin on ground for! Just check the named involved in teaching.

Anyway, that is my experience. I strongly recommend swansea to you.


Best

Kota</blockquote>

hello kosta,

Thank you so much for your kind message.

I am wondering if you give some information about your P&I experience?

- When and which club did you work?
- Did you apply clubs for job or did they find you before your graduation? How could you succeed it? :)
- Finally how about your graduation degree at swansea? İs this very good or average level?

Thank you so much again.
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