Is it the right time?


Is it the right time to study for an LLM in this recession or should we be looking for work placements.

In the UK there is a great problem in finding training contracts, and law graduates are just jumping in the pool of competition for a minimum level of training contracts.

I am due to start my LLM in International Law in one week!!! But I am tempted to defer the year or even cancel the course!!!

Reason being, I have heard far too many times that the LLM is a waste of time and money in this recession!
Please tell me what the best option is for people in my situation.

I have just completed my LLB and should have went on to fulfil the LPC, but I have avoided that for now due to the economic climate and the lack of training contracts in the UK.

To LLM or not to LLM?

Is it the right time to study for an LLM in this recession or should we be looking for work placements.

In the UK there is a great problem in finding training contracts, and law graduates are just jumping in the pool of competition for a minimum level of training contracts.

I am due to start my LLM in International Law in one week!!! But I am tempted to defer the year or even cancel the course!!!

Reason being, I have heard far too many times that the LLM is a waste of time and money in this recession!
Please tell me what the best option is for people in my situation.

I have just completed my LLB and should have went on to fulfil the LPC, but I have avoided that for now due to the economic climate and the lack of training contracts in the UK.

To LLM or not to LLM?
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Interalia

Pragmatically, LLMs are not really career enhancers. So if you're worried about the pragmatic stuff - jobs, money, paying bills etc - then you should just do the training contract.

This is not to say an LLM is useless; there are other reasons besides purely career enhancement to do a LLM. But career wise, I personally think the supposed capacity of an LLM to open doors is vastly over-rated.

Pragmatically, LLMs are not really career enhancers. So if you're worried about the pragmatic stuff - jobs, money, paying bills etc - then you should just do the training contract.

This is not to say an LLM is useless; there are other reasons besides purely career enhancement to do a LLM. But career wise, I personally think the supposed capacity of an LLM to open doors is vastly over-rated.
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Floris

If you are a british law graduate - I would never consider to do an LL.M. at least not in the United Kingdom.

The courses are mainly constructed for foreigners / international students to get a short insight into common law jurisdictions - and for the universities to raise money. Many universities offer only two courses per term, what is a joke - if you are a native speaker.... familiar with common law. The knowledge that you will gain is superficial and too broad, because the courses are adjusted for non-native speakers from all over the world (also from low level jurisdictions)... If you are a British graduate, you should go for an LL.M. in France, Spain, Italy, Germany or even China.

I had very few British students in my UK LLM program, and they were mainly hanging around, because they were mothers with a child or for some other reason unemplyoed and had nothing else to do...

If you are a british law graduate - I would never consider to do an LL.M. at least not in the United Kingdom.

The courses are mainly constructed for foreigners / international students to get a short insight into common law jurisdictions - and for the universities to raise money. Many universities offer only two courses per term, what is a joke - if you are a native speaker.... familiar with common law. The knowledge that you will gain is superficial and too broad, because the courses are adjusted for non-native speakers from all over the world (also from low level jurisdictions)... If you are a British graduate, you should go for an LL.M. in France, Spain, Italy, Germany or even China.

I had very few British students in my UK LLM program, and they were mainly hanging around, because they were mothers with a child or for some other reason unemplyoed and had nothing else to do...
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johannahj

In the last two years I have actually noticed a sharp increase in the number of English background LLMs. This is a generation of LLB graduates who were caught in the big squeeze of TCs a couple of years ago, but are otherwise qualified, capable and motivated. They do an LLM within the legal specialisation they aim to practise in order to improve their chances of getting a TC and while I don't know if it's the LLM or their persistence or something else that's opening the doors, as far as I can tell it seems to be working. I can't say the same for pupillages though, that entrance seems to be as narrow as ever.

In the last two years I have actually noticed a sharp increase in the number of English background LLMs. This is a generation of LLB graduates who were caught in the big squeeze of TCs a couple of years ago, but are otherwise qualified, capable and motivated. They do an LLM within the legal specialisation they aim to practise in order to improve their chances of getting a TC and while I don't know if it's the LLM or their persistence or something else that's opening the doors, as far as I can tell it seems to be working. I can't say the same for pupillages though, that entrance seems to be as narrow as ever.
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Pluto

If you are a british law graduate - I would never consider to do an LL.M. at least not in the United Kingdom.

The courses are mainly constructed for foreigners / international students to get a short insight into common law jurisdictions - and for the universities to raise money. Many universities offer only two courses per term, what is a joke - if you are a native speaker.... familiar with common law. The knowledge that you will gain is superficial and too broad, because the courses are adjusted for non-native speakers from all over the world (also from low level jurisdictions)... If you are a British graduate, you should go for an LL.M. in France, Spain, Italy, Germany or even China.

I had very few British students in my UK LLM program, and they were mainly hanging around, because they were mothers with a child or for some other reason unemplyoed and had nothing else to do...


Your comments are generalised and way off base.

There is no point in a British student pursuing an LLM in France, Spain, China etc. unless they specifically want to gain skills from that country (i.e., their company wants them to work in a foreign jurisdiction, they want a new language etc). The same advice can be said for international students wanting to study in the UK.

Some UK LLMs offer excellent courses for domestic students (you just have to look past law schools which are cash cows aimed at attracting international students and passing everyone at the end of the year).

British students generally don't pursue LLMs to 'hang around' - at least not the ones I've met. They are motivated individuals looking to advance their careers (i.e. LLB grads looking for TCs or pupillage), established professionals looking to change their specialism, or they've simply been sent to gain specialist knowledge by their law firm.

Studying an LLM is an expensive pursuit (even at domestic fee level; remember there are no student loans for domestic students at postgrad level). A British grad would not do an LLM to simply 'hang around' or because they are 'unemployed' (unless they have more money than sense).

<blockquote>If you are a british law graduate - I would never consider to do an LL.M. at least not in the United Kingdom.

The courses are mainly constructed for foreigners / international students to get a short insight into common law jurisdictions - and for the universities to raise money. Many universities offer only two courses per term, what is a joke - if you are a native speaker.... familiar with common law. The knowledge that you will gain is superficial and too broad, because the courses are adjusted for non-native speakers from all over the world (also from low level jurisdictions)... If you are a British graduate, you should go for an LL.M. in France, Spain, Italy, Germany or even China.

I had very few British students in my UK LLM program, and they were mainly hanging around, because they were mothers with a child or for some other reason unemplyoed and had nothing else to do...</blockquote>

Your comments are generalised and way off base.

There is no point in a British student pursuing an LLM in France, Spain, China etc. unless they specifically want to gain skills from that country (i.e., their company wants them to work in a foreign jurisdiction, they want a new language etc). The same advice can be said for international students wanting to study in the UK.

Some UK LLMs offer excellent courses for domestic students (you just have to look past law schools which are cash cows aimed at attracting international students and passing everyone at the end of the year).

British students generally don't pursue LLMs to 'hang around' - at least not the ones I've met. They are motivated individuals looking to advance their careers (i.e. LLB grads looking for TCs or pupillage), established professionals looking to change their specialism, or they've simply been sent to gain specialist knowledge by their law firm.

Studying an LLM is an expensive pursuit (even at domestic fee level; remember there are no student loans for domestic students at postgrad level). A British grad would not do an LLM to simply 'hang around' or because they are 'unemployed' (unless they have more money than sense).
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Some excellent responses!! Thank you.

Overall, I believe the legal profession is in a mess for prospective graduates on the LPC course unless they have a TC.

LLB grads have been taking the LLM route to develop their interests in an area and hoping for that to shine in applications for TCs.

In my opinion, LLM is a good way forward for UK grads to pursue alternative legal careers such as academia, NGO's and so on. However, the downside is that its very expensive, especially if you have not completed the LPC.

Some excellent responses!! Thank you.

Overall, I believe the legal profession is in a mess for prospective graduates on the LPC course unless they have a TC.

LLB grads have been taking the LLM route to develop their interests in an area and hoping for that to shine in applications for TCs.

In my opinion, LLM is a good way forward for UK grads to pursue alternative legal careers such as academia, NGO's and so on. However, the downside is that its very expensive, especially if you have not completed the LPC.

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