Hi everyone !
I would like to know if someone can inform me about the equivalent between UK or Ireland's grades and French's grades.

For example I found on Queen Mary's website that their applicant are normally expected to have achieved an Upper Second Class and then for french people it says that "postgraduate taught law courses require students to have a Licence with a minimum of 13/20 overall or a M1 with a minimum of 11/20 overall "

But I believe that 11/20 or 13/20 isn't enough to be considered as " upper second class" am I wrong ?

Thank you so much for your reply !

LSH

Hi everyone !
I would like to know if someone can inform me about the equivalent between UK or Ireland's grades and French's grades.

For example I found on Queen Mary's website that their applicant are normally expected to have achieved an Upper Second Class and then for french people it says that "postgraduate taught law courses require students to have a Licence with a minimum of 13/20 overall or a M1 with a minimum of 11/20 overall "

But I believe that 11/20 or 13/20 isn't enough to be considered as " upper second class" am I wrong ?

Thank you so much for your reply !

LSH

Hi everyone !
I would like to know if someone can inform me about the equivalent between UK or Ireland's grades and French's grades.

For example I found on Queen Mary's website that their applicant are normally expected to have achieved an Upper Second Class and then for french people it says that "postgraduate taught law courses require students to have a Licence with a minimum of 13/20 overall or a M1 with a minimum of 11/20 overall "

But I believe that 11/20 or 13/20 isn't enough to be considered as " upper second class" am I wrong ?

Thank you so much for your reply !

LSH

Hi there,

I personally think that 13/20 for a Licence or 11/20 in case of an M1 are fair enough. I'm currently undertaking a double-degree in France and the UK so I'm quite familiar with both systems' grades, which is why I personally think that that QMUL's conversion system is fair :)

However, if you apply for other universities, you may want to check individually their own conversion systems. Universities usually have their own grid of conversion for their requirements regarding non-UK degrees (such as QMUL's conversion system you mentioned), so they may differ from one another :)

Hope this helps!

[Edited by LSH on Mar 05, 2017]

I don't think it varies a lot.

It also depends on whether the universities you are aiming for are requiring a 2.1 (<60), a high 2.1 (<65), or a 1st class degree (<70).

For instance:
- KCL will consider French applicants with at least 13/20 for degrees requiring a 2.1, and a 14/20 for degrees requiring a high 2.1.
- UCL asks for a 2.1 for their LLM, but requires a Licence/M1 with a 14/20.
- LSE will usually consider French applications with at least 13.5/20.

It also depends on whether you hold a degree from a university, or from a Grande Ecole. They are usually a tad more "relaxed" with students who have studied at a Grande Ecole (for example, LSE requires a 12.5/20 instead of a 13.5/20 for those who have studied at a Grande Ecole).

I don't think it varies a lot.

It also depends on whether the universities you are aiming for are requiring a 2.1 (<60), a high 2.1 (<65), or a 1st class degree (<70).

For instance:
- KCL will consider French applicants with at least 13/20 for degrees requiring a 2.1, and a 14/20 for degrees requiring a high 2.1.
- UCL asks for a 2.1 for their LLM, but requires a Licence/M1 with a 14/20.
- LSE will usually consider French applications with at least 13.5/20.

It also depends on whether you hold a degree from a university, or from a Grande Ecole. They are usually a tad more "relaxed" with students who have studied at a Grande Ecole (for example, LSE requires a 12.5/20 instead of a 13.5/20 for those who have studied at a Grande Ecole).

[Edited by LSH on Mar 05, 2017]

Depending on which LLM you are applying to at Trinity they will ask for different 2:1

I asked specifically about their IP LLM and was told they require a 2:1 which, from my understanding, would be at least a 14/20 in France.

Depending on which LLM you are applying to at Trinity they will ask for different 2:1

I asked specifically about their IP LLM and was told they require a 2:1 which, from my understanding, would be at least a 14/20 in France.

Depending on which LLM you are applying to at Trinity they will ask for different 2:1

I asked specifically about their IP LLM and was told they require a 2:1 which, from my understanding, would be at least a 14/20 in France.

Oh thanks... 14/20 in Master 2 is à very good grade. So I think I won't get an offer from them !
Thank you for your information !

Depending on which LLM you are applying to at Trinity they will ask for different 2:1

I asked specifically about their IP LLM and was told they require a 2:1 which, from my understanding, would be at least a 14/20 in France.

Oh thanks... 14/20 in Master 2 is à very good grade. So I think I won't get an offer from them !
Thank you for your information !

These equivalences are very misleading. At the better UK universities most students will receive a 2:1. I am fairly certain that fewer students in France receive 14/20.

Oh thanks... 14/20 in Master 2 is à very good grade. So I think I won't get an offer from them !
Thank you for your information !

These equivalences are very misleading. At the better UK universities most students will receive a 2:1. I am fairly certain that fewer students in France receive 14/20.

I agree with you, it might be harder to get 14/20 in France especially in Master.