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dare.devil

Hi 

i'm currently pursuing a degree in law from india. my total average at the end of 7semesters is 62%(first class). i wanted to know whether i stand a chance in colleges like LSE,UCL,Kings and Queen Mary. 

Also, does anyone know anything about the law school at trinity college dublin. i shall be passing out of bangalore university where 60%+ is regarded as very good, somewhat like an (A). what are my chances in the above mentioned colleges and could you rank  the same(including trinity college)in order of prestige.

 

Cheers 

<p>Hi </p><p>i'm currently pursuing a degree in law from india. my total average at the end of 7semesters is 62%(first class). i wanted to know whether i stand a chance in colleges like LSE,UCL,Kings and Queen Mary. </p><p>Also, does anyone know anything about the law school at trinity college dublin. i shall be passing out of bangalore university where 60%+ is regarded as very good, somewhat like an (A). what are my chances in the above mentioned colleges and could you rank  the same(including trinity college)in order of prestige.</p><p> </p><p>Cheers </p>
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D10
Dare.devil,

I presume you are doing the five year BALLB. I'd say that with a clear, comfortable first division you stand a very good shot at the University of London colleges. Your application could be beefed up with some good internships, moots and other extra-curriculars, and of course a solid SOP.

I don't know about Trinity, Dublin, but this is my ranking of the London colleges, based on what I've read and heard

1. LSE
2. KCL
3. UCL
4. QM

This is a very broad ranking though. If one looks at specific specializations, the ranking may well change. QM for instance is regarded as very good with commercial laws and is known to have the best IP faculty. Same for UCL, I think.

The course structure in most UK colleges is very similar to the Indian course structure. LSE, I understand is closer to the American model and therefore offers more options and flexibility. Also, in terms of faculty and reputation, LSE scores over the other colleges. This opinion is based purely on what I've read and hearsay, so the personal experiences of people who've studied in these places may be very different.

Good Luck!
Dare.devil,

I presume you are doing the five year BALLB. I'd say that with a clear, comfortable first division you stand a very good shot at the University of London colleges. Your application could be beefed up with some good internships, moots and other extra-curriculars, and of course a solid SOP.

I don't know about Trinity, Dublin, but this is my ranking of the London colleges, based on what I've read and heard

1. LSE
2. KCL
3. UCL
4. QM

This is a very broad ranking though. If one looks at specific specializations, the ranking may well change. QM for instance is regarded as very good with commercial laws and is known to have the best IP faculty. Same for UCL, I think.

The course structure in most UK colleges is very similar to the Indian course structure. LSE, I understand is closer to the American model and therefore offers more options and flexibility. Also, in terms of faculty and reputation, LSE scores over the other colleges. This opinion is based purely on what I've read and hearsay, so the personal experiences of people who've studied in these places may be very different.

Good Luck!
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dare.devil
hey thanks...i have interned with some of the best law firms in cities like mumbai calcutta delhi and chennai. though i have never indulged in mooting.do you think that could be an issue.i'm also into sports and have represented my university on numerous occasions.do you think that could be of any help.and does anyone know anything about trinity?
hey thanks...i have interned with some of the best law firms in cities like mumbai calcutta delhi and chennai. though i have never indulged in mooting.do you think that could be an issue.i'm also into sports and have represented my university on numerous occasions.do you think that could be of any help.and does anyone know anything about trinity?
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xdude
I really dont think that not indulging in moot courts will take away your chances from getting in the good colleges. I dont remember the deadline of the other colleges but remember that LSE admits candidates on rolling basis...so I think u can still apply. Like the others mentioned, write a good SOP and also get good reco letters.....and apply fast if u at all are aiming to get in LLM 2009-2010.

Good luck!
I really dont think that not indulging in moot courts will take away your chances from getting in the good colleges. I dont remember the deadline of the other colleges but remember that LSE admits candidates on rolling basis...so I think u can still apply. Like the others mentioned, write a good SOP and also get good reco letters.....and apply fast if u at all are aiming to get in LLM 2009-2010.

Good luck!
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PUCCA
I answered this question somewhere else but I copied and pasted it here so I hope this can help you :O)

UCL, LSE, KCL, etc. Theseuniversities will normally require a first class honours or a good upper second-class honours qualifying law degree from a UK university or an overseas qualification of an equivalent standard.

This is the scale they use:
First-Class Honours (First or 1st)
Upper Second-Class Honours (2:1 or 2i)
Lower Second-Class Honours (2:2 or 2ii)
Third-Class Honours (Third or 3rd)
Ordinary degree (Pass)
Fail (no degree is awarded)

Per example here are a few examples on how this scores thanslates into your LLB from India.

According to King's College a student from India needs:

Qualifications Required Minimum Grade Required
LLB 60% First Class Degree
Website where you can find this information: www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/law/gradstudy/llm/apply/entr

Here its what UCL says about LLB graduates from India:

www.ucl.ac.uk/prospective-students/international-s

Here is what LSE says about LBB graduates from India:

To be considered for admission to the Graduate School we require a bachelors degree with 70% for students attending the top ranked institutions. .Where a GPA system is used we require 5.5/7, 6.5/7 or 7.5/9. Applicants should have completed a minimum of three years of study.
Website:
www.lse.ac.uk/collections/studentRecruitment/count

GOOD LUCK! AND APPLY SOON!
I answered this question somewhere else but I copied and pasted it here so I hope this can help you :O)

UCL, LSE, KCL, etc. Theseuniversities will normally require a first class honours or a good upper second-class honours qualifying law degree from a UK university or an overseas qualification of an equivalent standard.

This is the scale they use:
First-Class Honours (First or 1st)
Upper Second-Class Honours (2:1 or 2i)
Lower Second-Class Honours (2:2 or 2ii)
Third-Class Honours (Third or 3rd)
Ordinary degree (Pass)
Fail (no degree is awarded)

Per example here are a few examples on how this scores thanslates into your LLB from India.

According to King's College a student from India needs:

Qualifications Required Minimum Grade Required
LLB 60% First Class Degree
Website where you can find this information: www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/law/gradstudy/llm/apply/entr…

Here its what UCL says about LLB graduates from India:

www.ucl.ac.uk/prospective-students/international-s…

Here is what LSE says about LBB graduates from India:

To be considered for admission to the Graduate School we require a bachelor’s degree with 70% for students attending the top ranked institutions. .Where a GPA system is used we require 5.5/7, 6.5/7 or 7.5/9. Applicants should have completed a minimum of three years of study.
Website:
www.lse.ac.uk/collections/studentRecruitment/count…

GOOD LUCK! AND APPLY SOON!
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Hey, if there are any indians here can they solve my query:

I received a conditional offer stating as follows:
Manchester: "the only condition is that you must obtain 55% in your present degree"
Nottingham: "You must achieve 55% in your LLB degree"

Since i am doing the LLB course (5 years course) in India LLB is considered as the entire 5 years here. But actually it is a combined degree and its truely two degrees "B.L.S.,L.L.B."

Now according to the conditions of the Universities should i count the average of all 5 years result or only the last year or otherwise something else?

I am confused of how this Indian law degree is treated by the Universities in UK?
Hey, if there are any indians here can they solve my query:

I received a conditional offer stating as follows:
Manchester: "the only condition is that you must obtain 55% in your present degree"
Nottingham: "You must achieve 55% in your LLB degree"

Since i am doing the LLB course (5 years course) in India LLB is considered as the entire 5 years here. But actually it is a combined degree and its truely two degrees "B.L.S.,L.L.B."

Now according to the conditions of the Universities should i count the average of all 5 years result or only the last year or otherwise something else?

I am confused of how this Indian law degree is treated by the Universities in UK?
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dare.devil
dude...last i remember...its the aggregate of all 5 yrs...hope this helps...bt ya u have no othr option bt to clarify with d uni..cz for all UOL colleges(QMUL KINGS LSE AND UCL) they take into consideration all five yrs:-)

cheers
dude...last i remember...its the aggregate of all 5 yrs...hope this helps...bt ya u have no othr option bt to clarify with d uni..cz for all UOL colleges(QMUL KINGS LSE AND UCL) they take into consideration all five yrs:-)

cheers
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xdude
Hey, if there are any indians here can they solve my query:

I received a conditional offer stating as follows:
Manchester: "the only condition is that you must obtain 55% in your present degree"
Nottingham: "You must achieve 55% in your LLB degree"


Since i am doing the LLB course (5 years course) in India LLB is considered as the entire 5 years here. But actually it is a combined degree and its truely two degrees "B.L.S.,L.L.B."

Now according to the conditions of the Universities should i count the average of all 5 years result or only the last year or otherwise something else?

I am confused and I don't want to clarify this with the University because I am on the edge.

I am confused of how this Indian law degree is treated by the Universities in UK?


I have done the same course as you have. I passed in 2003 from Pune University, got first class in the 1st, 2nd and 5th year (final year) and higher second in the 3rd and 4th year. My degree of LLB from Pune University stated "passed LLB with first class". However, my aggregate percentage of all the five years was 59.4% but like I said my degree mentioned First Class in Law, so it didnt matter much at all.

You will be glad to know that I have got admission in KCL and have been wait listed at LSE too.

You need to check what is the way a degree is given by your university. I mean do they take into account the average of all the five years before qualifying passed in 1st, 2nd or pass class or do they just take marks obtained in 5th year.
<blockquote>Hey, if there are any indians here can they solve my query:

I received a conditional offer stating as follows:
Manchester: "the only condition is that you must obtain 55% in your present degree"
Nottingham: "You must achieve 55% in your LLB degree"


Since i am doing the LLB course (5 years course) in India LLB is considered as the entire 5 years here. But actually it is a combined degree and its truely two degrees "B.L.S.,L.L.B."

Now according to the conditions of the Universities should i count the average of all 5 years result or only the last year or otherwise something else?

I am confused and I don't want to clarify this with the University because I am on the edge.

I am confused of how this Indian law degree is treated by the Universities in UK?</blockquote>

I have done the same course as you have. I passed in 2003 from Pune University, got first class in the 1st, 2nd and 5th year (final year) and higher second in the 3rd and 4th year. My degree of LLB from Pune University stated "passed LLB with first class". However, my aggregate percentage of all the five years was 59.4% but like I said my degree mentioned First Class in Law, so it didnt matter much at all.

You will be glad to know that I have got admission in KCL and have been wait listed at LSE too.

You need to check what is the way a degree is given by your university. I mean do they take into account the average of all the five years before qualifying passed in 1st, 2nd or pass class or do they just take marks obtained in 5th year.

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I am glad to hear that most Universities take into consideration the average of all 5 years. Because the my University has acted a little funny this time and my precentage of this semester went right down to 47%......thats really really very sad....!!
So i would be glad if the University considers my performance over the last 5 years instead of only this last year....!!
I am glad to hear that most Universities take into consideration the average of all 5 years. Because the my University has acted a little funny this time and my precentage of this semester went right down to 47%......thats really really very sad....!!
So i would be glad if the University considers my performance over the last 5 years instead of only this last year....!!
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2:2 in India means 50%-59%
whereas, 2:1 is 60%-69%

So i think 2:2 with a excellent work experience should get you through most Universities..!
Am I right?
Any more views on this ?
2:2 in India means 50%-59%
whereas, 2:1 is 60%-69%

So i think 2:2 with a excellent work experience should get you through most Universities..!
Am I right?
Any more views on this ?
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AAravam
I do hope so! This thread, however, makes me panicked..
http://www.llm-guide.com/board/55924
The methods outlined (or speculated) in that thread are just plain scary....

Somehow I think a 2:2 (50-59%) is too low... wouldn't practically everyone who applies have 50-59%? It's difficult to say, since Indian unis don't have a standardized method of marking. 60% in one school may be excellent, but 60% in another may be mediocre.

Thoughts?
I do hope so! This thread, however, makes me panicked..
http://www.llm-guide.com/board/55924
The methods outlined (or speculated) in that thread are just plain scary....

Somehow I think a 2:2 (50-59%) is too low... wouldn't practically everyone who applies have 50-59%? It's difficult to say, since Indian unis don't have a standardized method of marking. 60% in one school may be excellent, but 60% in another may be mediocre.

Thoughts?
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yes, surely some assurances on that which I have recently understood and found out:

firstly you need to understand that Each applicant is considered on his/her own merits..they are not compared to other applicants. The University seeks if you are suitable to their academic years requirements....

Coming to your question about the grades....! In case of Indian Students especially...what is seen is his work experience and your reference letter... (obviously after the grades) !

So if your grade is 55%....but you have 3 years work experience and 2 references letters stating that you are an above average student and very good qualities, etc (will help alot if you can state that you are in the op 15% of the class)...should be sufficient enough to get into Birmingham University or Manchester or Glasgow or any of those....!

Also, then if you have Post Graduate Diploma courses in any other legal field....(it will show them your ability to research....!) and a specific work experience in those 3 years relating to the subject of your LLM....it can get you into Aberdeen, Nottingham, KCL, QMUL, City, Durham, SOAS, etc...!!

And if you want in UCL, LSE, or Oxbrige Universities....you need to be in the op 5% and also....very strong reference letter.
yes, surely some assurances on that which I have recently understood and found out:

firstly you need to understand that Each applicant is considered on his/her own merits..they are not compared to other applicants. The University seeks if you are suitable to their academic years requirements....

Coming to your question about the grades....! In case of Indian Students especially...what is seen is his work experience and your reference letter... (obviously after the grades) !

So if your grade is 55%....but you have 3 years work experience and 2 references letters stating that you are an above average student and very good qualities, etc (will help alot if you can state that you are in the op 15% of the class)...should be sufficient enough to get into Birmingham University or Manchester or Glasgow or any of those....!

Also, then if you have Post Graduate Diploma courses in any other legal field....(it will show them your ability to research....!) and a specific work experience in those 3 years relating to the subject of your LLM....it can get you into Aberdeen, Nottingham, KCL, QMUL, City, Durham, SOAS, etc...!!

And if you want in UCL, LSE, or Oxbrige Universities....you need to be in the op 5% and also....very strong reference letter.
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airwolf83
Hey all..

Im from India andf for all the Indians aspiring to get here, I hope I could be of some help..

I did a 3 yr LLB from Mumbai and I overall scored a 56% with only a 60+ in my 2nd year.

I have secured an unconditional offer from QMUL and a few others. I dont know if the entry standards are more lenient now compared to last year or not but I made sure, I really did a good job with my Resume/C.V and recommendation letters which must hav done the trick.

It also helped that I had 3 years of work experience right through my first semester of law college.

All i can say is decorate your C-V cuz Indian C-V's look very unimpressive and rudementarily made up. The format,lining, fonts all add up to building your character judgement..

Wish all the aspirants all the best !! cheers
Hey all..

Im from India andf for all the Indians aspiring to get here, I hope I could be of some help..

I did a 3 yr LLB from Mumbai and I overall scored a 56% with only a 60+ in my 2nd year.

I have secured an unconditional offer from QMUL and a few others. I dont know if the entry standards are more lenient now compared to last year or not but I made sure, I really did a good job with my Resume/C.V and recommendation letters which must hav done the trick.

It also helped that I had 3 years of work experience right through my first semester of law college.

All i can say is decorate your C-V cuz Indian C-V's look very unimpressive and rudementarily made up. The format,lining, fonts all add up to building your character judgement..

Wish all the aspirants all the best !! cheers
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sim_vs
hey,

I am a final year student of law from india. I am interested in LLM IPR/Corp law. I just want to focus on applying to Ox, Camb, LSE, UCL, n KCL. I have an aggregate of 64-65% till now...I have interned also in various Indian Companies, have one published article and have 4 diplomas including in IPR and copr laws. What else should i do to better my chances of getting thru these colleges? Also it would be really helpful if anyone could tell me if i stand any chance of getting thru any of these..
hey,

I am a final year student of law from india. I am interested in LLM IPR/Corp law. I just want to focus on applying to Ox, Camb, LSE, UCL, n KCL. I have an aggregate of 64-65% till now...I have interned also in various Indian Companies, have one published article and have 4 diplomas including in IPR and copr laws. What else should i do to better my chances of getting thru these colleges? Also it would be really helpful if anyone could tell me if i stand any chance of getting thru any of these..
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airwolf83
hey sim_vs

Firstly, 64-65% average is a very good score..u shouldn have a problem getting into KCL. Oxford,Cambridge n LSE is worth givin it a shot but dont really pin ur hopes on them. Id give it a 15% chance of gettin through. They usually need a little more than that but, u never know, a little dash of luck n u might jus scrape in since uve got additional merits such as diplomas and a article.

If u have zeroed down on IPR then Queen Marys, London & KCL are the well renowned for their IPR Faculty & Programme even more so than the others u mentioned.

If i were u, id rather do it from Queen Mary / KCL since ur intending to do a specialisation. Vis-a-vis its course speciality vs college reputation where obviously Cambridge/Oxford/LSE/UCL are ranked higher but might not be the best choices for IPR.

Hope this will satiate ur queries..cheers
hey sim_vs

Firstly, 64-65% average is a very good score..u shouldn have a problem getting into KCL. Oxford,Cambridge n LSE is worth givin it a shot but dont really pin ur hopes on them. Id give it a 15% chance of gettin through. They usually need a little more than that but, u never know, a little dash of luck n u might jus scrape in since uve got additional merits such as diplomas and a article.

If u have zeroed down on IPR then Queen Marys, London & KCL are the well renowned for their IPR Faculty & Programme even more so than the others u mentioned.

If i were u, id rather do it from Queen Mary / KCL since ur intending to do a specialisation. Vis-a-vis its course speciality vs college reputation where obviously Cambridge/Oxford/LSE/UCL are ranked higher but might not be the best choices for IPR.

Hope this will satiate ur queries..cheers
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sim_vs
Thanks a lot for the help! But I knw a few ppl who got thru Queeen's Mary for IPR with an aggregate of just 55-56% n wid no other additional qualification!..thats why i am not so sure if i should apply to Queen's Mary or not..
Thanks a lot for the help! But I knw a few ppl who got thru Queeen's Mary for IPR with an aggregate of just 55-56% n wid no other additional qualification!..thats why i am not so sure if i should apply to Queen's Mary or not..
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airwolf83
See. I got a 59% average and got an offer from Queen Mary but I know people who have got a 64 and lost out on a place.

I had three yrs of work-ex in Mumbai with 2 Solicitor Firms and I had an impressive SOP and Resume.

Infact I spoke to a few U.K graduates, not Indian but British residents and they all were thumbs up for Queen Mary for IPR.
After a fair bit of research, you will know that QMUL is highly regarded in IPR. Similarly, Manchester Univ , KCL, UCL,LSE have their own speciality modules.
See. I got a 59% average and got an offer from Queen Mary but I know people who have got a 64 and lost out on a place.

I had three yrs of work-ex in Mumbai with 2 Solicitor Firms and I had an impressive SOP and Resume.

Infact I spoke to a few U.K graduates, not Indian but British residents and they all were thumbs up for Queen Mary for IPR.
After a fair bit of research, you will know that QMUL is highly regarded in IPR. Similarly, Manchester Univ , KCL, UCL,LSE have their own speciality modules.
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sim_vs
So..u have already done your LLM from Queen Mary? How was the experience? Can u also suggest few ways to improve my SOP n LOR so as to make it up for my marks..what areas and points should i focus on and emphasize in them?
So..u have already done your LLM from Queen Mary? How was the experience? Can u also suggest few ways to improve my SOP n LOR so as to make it up for my marks..what areas and points should i focus on and emphasize in them?
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airwolf83
Nah. I havent done my LLM. Im going to either Uni of Nottingham or QMUL this year itself for the LLM. But i reckon , im eventually gonna select QMUL.

you can call me on +91 9819466606, instead of this while tedious exercise of typing here. Il try to aid you to whatever extent i can..cheers
Nah. I havent done my LLM. Im going to either Uni of Nottingham or QMUL this year itself for the LLM. But i reckon , im eventually gonna select QMUL.

you can call me on +91 9819466606, instead of this while tedious exercise of typing here. Il try to aid you to whatever extent i can..cheers
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sim_vs
Can u plz write ur email id too? thanx!
Can u plz write ur email id too? thanx!
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