Hi I have a question. I am going to aply for various LLMs in the United States. I obtained 106 in my toefl, but 22 in my writing section. Aditionally I got 29 in reading, 28 listening and 27 speaking. I want to know if this 22 subsection score is going to be a problem for Columbia or Harvard?

I would appreciate if someone knows about specific cases.

Definitely. You need to fulfill the minimum requirements in each subsection. I had the same problem with NYU.


First TOEFL 105 but 1 point less in reading...
Second TOEFL 109 but 1 point less in speaking....
Third TOEFL 115 and all subsections ok :-)

Good luck for your second try.

depends on the requirements. columbia requires this:

TOEFL iBT: 105 overall score, with 26 on Reading and Listening sections and 24 on the Speaking and Writing sections

so for columbia you gotta do it again....sorry!

I just want to let you know that I got into Columbia with my 106 TOEFL. You should be more careful about your comments.

Good morning,

Is a 97 toefl too bad?? I´ve done it several times and nothing...95,92,95...of course with different score in each subsction...It has been a waste of money for me!! Plese any advice?

I just want to let you know that I got into Columbia with my 106 TOEFL. You should be more careful about your comments.

@juandalva

I can just speak for NYU. If you do not meet ALL the requirements in ALL the subsections, you have to do it again or you are out.

That other universities with lower standards might handle it differently, is possible. That Columbia is one of them, surprises me.

my friend got into NYU with 1 point missing in speaking (overall 104) but she had to do an english course in the first two weeks of her LL.M.

depends on the requirements. columbia requires this:

TOEFL iBT: 105 overall score, with 26 on Reading and Listening sections and 24 on the Speaking and Writing sections

so for columbia you gotta do it again....sorry!

@juandalva

I can just speak for NYU. If you do not meet ALL the requirements in ALL the subsections, you have to do it again or you are out.

That other universities with lower standards might handle it differently, is possible. That Columbia is one of them, surprises me.

Sorry but either you or NYU is not saying the truth then.

I had one credit missing in one of the subsections although my overall TOEFL score was way above the requirement (112). NYU did NOT accept it and required me to do it again.

So how is it possible that they don't care about their requirements in your case?

this is common practise flo.
Unless you have like 80 points.... but with only few points missing you get into every law school.

Still had the NYU-Email saved, FYI:

Dear Florian,

Thank you for your email. As you stated in your email, the Committee on Graduate Admissions will look for scores of at least 26 in the Listening subsection. This is the minimum standard set forth by the Committee on Graduate Admissions, and unfortunately there is no conditional admission status for applicants who do not achieve this minimum standard. We advise you to take the TOEFL again if you plan on applying to NYU School of Law.

Thank you,

Fraser McCulloch
Office of Graduate Admissions
New York University School of Law
(212) 998-6060

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Although I had an overall score of 112, I had lost almost all my points in the listening subsection in this particular test and had just 25 in listening. As you see, I had to take the test again!

@juandalva

I can just speak for NYU. If you do not meet ALL the requirements in ALL the subsections, you have to do it again or you are out.

Hi, I just presented my second toefl and I achieved a score of 102 (26 reading section, 24 listening, 23 speaking and 29 writing). In my first toefl I got (23 reading, 27 listening, 23 listening and writing). With this two scores I do not have the minimum requirements in all the sections to apply to Harvard, Columbia, Chicago and NYU, but Someone told me that is possible to combine the two toefl results and send both, this is possible? How low is my score to get into this universities? (However I am planning to take the test one last time). Thanks

as a matter of personal experience, apply to law schools and let them ask you specifically to retake the toefl. they likely won't if the overall score is equal or above to the one they require

Hi, I just presented my second toefl and I achieved a score of 102 (26 reading section, 24 listening, 23 speaking and 29 writing). In my first toefl I got (23 reading, 27 listening, 23 listening and writing). With this two scores I do not have the minimum requirements in all the sections to apply to Harvard, Columbia, Chicago and NYU, but Someone told me that is possible to combine the two toefl results and send both, this is possible? How low is my score to get into this universities? (However I am planning to take the test one last time). Thanks

I have been admitted to the NYU, my overall score was higher than minimum requirements, but I didn't meet minimum requirements in speaking and writing.