Early preparation for New York Bar Exam


Hello everyone,

I am a recent law gradaute from Hong Kong and would like to sit for the New York Bar exam in the future (in 2 years)

I understand that to pass the NY Bar requires much preparation and so I want to start now by doing some pre-reading.

I have been checking at Amazon.com and they have some 2009 Barbri Conviser mini review (New York) available. I would like to buy one. Could anyone tell me if this conviser mini review will be good for a pre-reading ?
Should I also buy Multistate Volume and New York Volume ?

My another question is whether anyone knows if LLB graduate from University of London (External) is eligible to sit for the New York Bar exam ?

Many thanks for your advice.
Hello everyone,

I am a recent law gradaute from Hong Kong and would like to sit for the New York Bar exam in the future (in 2 years)

I understand that to pass the NY Bar requires much preparation and so I want to start now by doing some pre-reading.

I have been checking at Amazon.com and they have some 2009 Barbri Conviser mini review (New York) available. I would like to buy one. Could anyone tell me if this conviser mini review will be good for a pre-reading ?
Should I also buy Multistate Volume and New York Volume ?

My another question is whether anyone knows if LLB graduate from University of London (External) is eligible to sit for the New York Bar exam ?

Many thanks for your advice.
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HN
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Hi, thanks for your information. In fact, I am also thinking about doing LLM in the US before sitting for the New York Bar exam. I know the LLM in the States is very expensive but this is something I want to do.

But anyway, thanks for your advice. I will check with the New York Bar to find out more.
Hi, thanks for your information. In fact, I am also thinking about doing LLM in the US before sitting for the New York Bar exam. I know the LLM in the States is very expensive but this is something I want to do.

But anyway, thanks for your advice. I will check with the New York Bar to find out more.

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I understand that to pass the NY Bar requires much preparation and so I want to start now by doing some pre-reading.

I have been checking at Amazon.com and they have some 2009 Barbri Conviser mini review (New York) available. I would like to buy one. Could anyone tell me if this conviser mini review will be good for a pre-reading ?
Should I also buy Multistate Volume and New York Volume ?



The Conviser contains all the information you would need to pass the NY bar in condensed outline form. You won't need the other volumes for "pre-reading" purposes. While, I don't think a little pre-reading is a bad idea, assuming you mean you will do some reading to get very general familiarity with US legal concepts and rules, I think 2 years is too early to start, especially if you are going to go for an LLM in the US. The LLM should teach you those concepts in detail and put them into good context for you. After the LLM, the outlines will make much more sense conceptually than they will with naked reading.

It makes more sense to focus on other things, maybe do some pre-reading on US law as you get closer to the LLM (as preparation for the LLM, not for the bar afterward) and worry about the bar once the LLM is completed. You'll have plenty of time to study and commit the laws to memory and easy access to full review courses the summer following completion of the LLM. If your English language skills and memory are good and your understanding of general concepts are strong, 10 weeks of focused study is more than adequate preparation for the NY bar.
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I understand that to pass the NY Bar requires much preparation and so I want to start now by doing some pre-reading.

I have been checking at Amazon.com and they have some 2009 Barbri Conviser mini review (New York) available. I would like to buy one. Could anyone tell me if this conviser mini review will be good for a pre-reading ?
Should I also buy Multistate Volume and New York Volume ?

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The Conviser contains all the information you would need to pass the NY bar in condensed outline form. You won't need the other volumes for "pre-reading" purposes. While, I don't think a little pre-reading is a bad idea, assuming you mean you will do some reading to get very general familiarity with US legal concepts and rules, I think 2 years is too early to start, especially if you are going to go for an LLM in the US. The LLM should teach you those concepts in detail and put them into good context for you. After the LLM, the outlines will make much more sense conceptually than they will with naked reading.

It makes more sense to focus on other things, maybe do some pre-reading on US law as you get closer to the LLM (as preparation for the LLM, not for the bar afterward) and worry about the bar once the LLM is completed. You'll have plenty of time to study and commit the laws to memory and easy access to full review courses the summer following completion of the LLM. If your English language skills and memory are good and your understanding of general concepts are strong, 10 weeks of focused study is more than adequate preparation for the NY bar.
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Hi Shrinky Dink,

Thanks for the advice. You made a good point. While I may get a copy of the Conviser, I will also start working on the fundamentals of American law. That will make more sense to prepare myself for LLM and New York Bar exam.

Many thanks !
Hi Shrinky Dink,

Thanks for the advice. You made a good point. While I may get a copy of the Conviser, I will also start working on the fundamentals of American law. That will make more sense to prepare myself for LLM and New York Bar exam.

Many thanks !
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Hi, younglawyer,

Good luck with your studies, and please do not overwork yourself trying to teach yourself American law (that's the job of the LLM faculty or the bar review course you select) or to get too far ahead. Read those topics that interest you. Read about the American constitution or court system or comparisons to the common law. Do not sit around and memorize statutes unless you are planning to skip the LLM and go straight to the bar. Devote most of your time to completing your current professional/educational activities and enhancing your legal education generally.

I guess it's one of those things that are only clear in hindsight, but I have seen so many people try to prep for the bar far in advance only to burn out and give up when exam time finally starts. Others spend hours and hours trying to get a "perfect" understanding of a concept that snaps into place for them easily with a little rest and a 10 minute explanation from a professor. Those points are often ones that prove to be relatively unimportant in the larger scheme of American law and the bar exam.
Hi, younglawyer,

Good luck with your studies, and please do not overwork yourself trying to teach yourself American law (that's the job of the LLM faculty or the bar review course you select) or to get too far ahead. Read those topics that interest you. Read about the American constitution or court system or comparisons to the common law. Do not sit around and memorize statutes unless you are planning to skip the LLM and go straight to the bar. Devote most of your time to completing your current professional/educational activities and enhancing your legal education generally.

I guess it's one of those things that are only clear in hindsight, but I have seen so many people try to prep for the bar far in advance only to burn out and give up when exam time finally starts. Others spend hours and hours trying to get a "perfect" understanding of a concept that snaps into place for them easily with a little rest and a 10 minute explanation from a professor. Those points are often ones that prove to be relatively unimportant in the larger scheme of American law and the bar exam.

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Thanks, ShinkyDink, for giving me your wise advice. Don't worry, I won't go too far at this stage. You have made a point that there are many other things I should devote. As a foreign student, I have to keep improving my English language, especially in the legal context, extending my social network and gaining interntional exposure. I think these are equally important to build my profession.
Thanks, ShinkyDink, for giving me your wise advice. Don't worry, I won't go too far at this stage. You have made a point that there are many other things I should devote. As a foreign student, I have to keep improving my English language, especially in the legal context, extending my social network and gaining interntional exposure. I think these are equally important to build my profession.
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TOPP
Hello everyone,

I am a recent law gradaute from Hong Kong and would like to sit for the New York Bar exam in the future (in 2 years)

I understand that to pass the NY Bar requires much preparation and so I want to start now by doing some pre-reading.

I have been checking at Amazon.com and they have some 2009 Barbri Conviser mini review (New York) available. I would like to buy one. Could anyone tell me if this conviser mini review will be good for a pre-reading ?
Should I also buy Multistate Volume and New York Volume ?

My another question is whether anyone knows if LLB graduate from University of London (External) is eligible to sit for the New York Bar exam ?

Many thanks for your advice.

Very likely you need an US LLM if your external law degree is a two year one.
<blockquote>Hello everyone,

I am a recent law gradaute from Hong Kong and would like to sit for the New York Bar exam in the future (in 2 years)

I understand that to pass the NY Bar requires much preparation and so I want to start now by doing some pre-reading.

I have been checking at Amazon.com and they have some 2009 Barbri Conviser mini review (New York) available. I would like to buy one. Could anyone tell me if this conviser mini review will be good for a pre-reading ?
Should I also buy Multistate Volume and New York Volume ?

My another question is whether anyone knows if LLB graduate from University of London (External) is eligible to sit for the New York Bar exam ?

Many thanks for your advice.</blockquote>
Very likely you need an US LLM if your external law degree is a two year one.
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D1
Hello -

Kaplan PMBR has an LLM Fundamentals program that will teach you the foundational things that you need for the bar. It is designrd for foreign attorneys and sounds like it is waht you need.

I used it and passed.

See the link here

http://www.kaplanfilmcourse.net/Bar-Exam/Bar-Review-Courses/LLM/llm-ny-complete.html
Hello -

Kaplan PMBR has an LLM Fundamentals program that will teach you the foundational things that you need for the bar. It is designrd for foreign attorneys and sounds like it is waht you need.

I used it and passed.

See the link here

http://www.kaplanfilmcourse.net/Bar-Exam/Bar-Review-Courses/LLM/llm-ny-complete.html
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Thanks everyone for giving me all the information. Congratulations to those who passed the NY Bar exam.
Thanks everyone for giving me all the information. Congratulations to those who passed the NY Bar exam.
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LawMS1981
A LLM does NOT qualify you to take the NYS Bar. You must have a JD, or be approved as a foreign legal studies student. The Website and information is here.

http://www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm#F

An LLM without a JD in my opinion is a waste of time and money. Look into a JD program before making any decisions on an LLM. Further, I work with a foreign trained lawyer and the process to be approved by NY to sit for the bar is a lengthy one. She was told to apply at least a year before the exam. Again, the website above should have the answers to all your questions.

Best of luck--
A LLM does NOT qualify you to take the NYS Bar. You must have a JD, or be approved as a foreign legal studies student. The Website and information is here.

http://www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm#F

An LLM without a JD in my opinion is a waste of time and money. Look into a JD program before making any decisions on an LLM. Further, I work with a foreign trained lawyer and the process to be approved by NY to sit for the bar is a lengthy one. She was told to apply at least a year before the exam. Again, the website above should have the answers to all your questions.

Best of luck--

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juria.syna
A LLM does NOT qualify you to take the NYS Bar. You must have a JD, or be approved as a foreign legal studies student. The Website and information is here.

www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm#F

An LLM without a JD in my opinion is a waste of time and money. Look into a JD program before making any decisions on an LLM. Further, I work with a foreign trained lawyer and the process to be approved by NY to sit for the bar is a lengthy one. She was told to apply at least a year before the exam. Again, the website above should have the answers to all your questions.

Best of luck--

Does a JD absolves from Bar Exam and what is benefit of doing JD than LLM for foriegn lawyers?
A LLM does NOT qualify you to take the NYS Bar. You must have a JD, or be approved as a foreign legal studies student. The Website and information is here.

www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm#F

An LLM without a JD in my opinion is a waste of time and money. Look into a JD program before making any decisions on an LLM. Further, I work with a foreign trained lawyer and the process to be approved by NY to sit for the bar is a lengthy one. She was told to apply at least a year before the exam. Again, the website above should have the answers to all your questions.

Best of luck--

Does a JD absolves from Bar Exam and what is benefit of doing JD than LLM for foriegn lawyers?
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juria.syna
Does a JD absolves from Bar Exam and what is benefit of doing JD than LLM for foriegn lawyers?




A LLM does NOT qualify you to take the NYS Bar. You must have a JD, or be approved as a foreign legal studies student. The Website and information is here.

www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm#F

An LLM without a JD in my opinion is a waste of time and money. Look into a JD program before making any decisions on an LLM. Further, I work with a foreign trained lawyer and the process to be approved by NY to sit for the bar is a lengthy one. She was told to apply at least a year before the exam. Again, the website above should have the answers to all your questions.

Best of luck--

Does a JD absolves from Bar Exam and what is benefit of doing JD than LLM for foriegn lawyers?



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A LLM does NOT qualify you to take the NYS Bar. You must have a JD, or be approved as a foreign legal studies student. The Website and information is here.

www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm#F

An LLM without a JD in my opinion is a waste of time and money. Look into a JD program before making any decisions on an LLM. Further, I work with a foreign trained lawyer and the process to be approved by NY to sit for the bar is a lengthy one. She was told to apply at least a year before the exam. Again, the website above should have the answers to all your questions.

Best of luck--

</blockquote>
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Hi all, sorry to revive a dead thread but just wondering what it would take to make a University of London LLB acquired via the external programme eligible for the New York Bar? I've read the NYBOLE regulations and they are not entirely clear, as on the one hand they say no external programmes are eligible, but on the other, they say that foreign degrees that qualify for practice in the home jurisdiction are eligible.

Can I "cure" the deficiency of in-class learning via an ABA-approved LLM? If I took intensive sessions that UoL holds, would that qualify me?

If it doesn't qualify in NY, is there any other US (or Canadian, for that matter) jurisdiction that would accept it without work years?

(For those who would suggest a JD, I am employed full-time and also have a 3 year old, so even PT in-person degrees are not an option.)

Thanks everyone.
Hi all, sorry to revive a dead thread but just wondering what it would take to make a University of London LLB acquired via the external programme eligible for the New York Bar? I've read the NYBOLE regulations and they are not entirely clear, as on the one hand they say no external programmes are eligible, but on the other, they say that foreign degrees that qualify for practice in the home jurisdiction are eligible.

Can I "cure" the deficiency of in-class learning via an ABA-approved LLM? If I took intensive sessions that UoL holds, would that qualify me?

If it doesn't qualify in NY, is there any other US (or Canadian, for that matter) jurisdiction that would accept it without work years?

(For those who would suggest a JD, I am employed full-time and also have a 3 year old, so even PT in-person degrees are not an option.)

Thanks everyone.
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janicewty
hi feebonacci
i suppose you have settled your problem by now?
but then i have similar case as you do and i emailed my enquiry and they ask me to submit my educational record as stated, and it works!
hi feebonacci
i suppose you have settled your problem by now?
but then i have similar case as you do and i emailed my enquiry and they ask me to submit my educational record as stated, and it works!

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mrasay
Hi all, sorry to revive a dead thread but just wondering what it would take to make a University of London LLB acquired via the external programme eligible for the New York Bar? I've read the NYBOLE regulations and they are not entirely clear, as on the one hand they say no external programmes are eligible, but on the other, they say that foreign degrees that qualify for practice in the home jurisdiction are eligible.

Can I "cure" the deficiency of in-class learning via an ABA-approved LLM? If I took intensive sessions that UoL holds, would that qualify me?

If it doesn't qualify in NY, is there any other US (or Canadian, for that matter) jurisdiction that would accept it without work years?

(For those who would suggest a JD, I am employed full-time and also have a 3 year old, so even PT in-person degrees are not an option.)

Thanks everyone.


Hi,

Unfortunately, if you are planning to apply to the NY bar you need to have a JD or a non ABA accredited law school with 5 to 7 years experience.

CORRESPONDENCE STUDY, SELF-STUDY, ON-LINE LAW DEGREES

Law degrees obtained by way of correspondence, external, internet or self study do not qualify an individual to take the New York bar examination.

There are NO remedy for any law degree obtained by way of correspondence. Even if the applicant acquires an LLM in the United States.
<blockquote>Hi all, sorry to revive a dead thread but just wondering what it would take to make a University of London LLB acquired via the external programme eligible for the New York Bar? I've read the NYBOLE regulations and they are not entirely clear, as on the one hand they say no external programmes are eligible, but on the other, they say that foreign degrees that qualify for practice in the home jurisdiction are eligible.

Can I "cure" the deficiency of in-class learning via an ABA-approved LLM? If I took intensive sessions that UoL holds, would that qualify me?

If it doesn't qualify in NY, is there any other US (or Canadian, for that matter) jurisdiction that would accept it without work years?

(For those who would suggest a JD, I am employed full-time and also have a 3 year old, so even PT in-person degrees are not an option.)

Thanks everyone.</blockquote>

Hi,

Unfortunately, if you are planning to apply to the NY bar you need to have a JD or a non ABA accredited law school with 5 to 7 years experience.

CORRESPONDENCE STUDY, SELF-STUDY, ON-LINE LAW DEGREES

Law degrees obtained by way of correspondence, external, internet or self study do not qualify an individual to take the New York bar examination.

There are NO remedy for any law degree obtained by way of correspondence. Even if the applicant acquires an LLM in the United States.

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