Advance Evaluation of Eligibility for NY Bar Exam


raven
I am not sure how to apply. It says:

"This is a secure online Foreign Evaluation for the NYS bar examination. You must create a BOLE account before you may apply. Before you get started, you should have dates available regarding your law school attendance and graduation date. "

I dont know which university I will attent and I also dont know when the graduation date is. Is this a problem?

Does anyone know that?
I am not sure how to apply. It says:

"This is a secure online Foreign Evaluation for the NYS bar examination. You must create a BOLE account before you may apply. Before you get started, you should have dates available regarding your law school attendance and graduation date. "

I dont know which university I will attent and I also dont know when the graduation date is. Is this a problem?

Does anyone know that?
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putou
My understanding is that the "law school" is where the LL.B. degree you got conferred in your country.
My understanding is that the "law school" is where the LL.B. degree you got conferred in your country.
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GOG
How long does it take until the NY Board of Law Examiners complete its determination of eligibility? I submitted my request forevaluation in Dec 2010 and have not heard back. I would love to hear howlong did you haveto wait. Thank you.
How long does it take until the NY Board of Law Examiners complete its determination of eligibility? I submitted my request forevaluation in Dec 2010 and have not heard back. I would love to hear howlong did you haveto wait. Thank you.
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dggc
My understanding is that the "law school" is where the LL.B. degree you got conferred in your country.


Actually both are required when you're filling out your application. I really don't know what to do in this case: I have no idea of which school I am attending yet and, or course, I don't know what's the graduation date...

The other option is to put down my current status - not enrolled at any US accredited law school. But does that mean that when I do graduate I will have to undergo another evaluation of eligibility?
<blockquote>My understanding is that the "law school" is where the LL.B. degree you got conferred in your country. </blockquote>

Actually both are required when you're filling out your application. I really don't know what to do in this case: I have no idea of which school I am attending yet and, or course, I don't know what's the graduation date...

The other option is to put down my current status - not enrolled at any US accredited law school. But does that mean that when I do graduate I will have to undergo another evaluation of eligibility?
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raven
this is really bad. You can only reach the automatic answering machine....and no Email Adress :-(
this is really bad. You can only reach the automatic answering machine....and no Email Adress :-(
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AW
this is really bad. You can only reach the automatic answering machine....and no Email Adress :-(


Yes how awful. The only expeditious way to ensure they receive your inquiry is by fax.
<blockquote>this is really bad. You can only reach the automatic answering machine....and no Email Adress :-(</blockquote>

Yes how awful. The only expeditious way to ensure they receive your inquiry is by fax.
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Borderline
I will be graduating in July from a civil law country, and hopefully start an LLM in the fall.
How can I provide all the relevant documents by April?
I will be graduating in July from a civil law country, and hopefully start an LLM in the fall.
How can I provide all the relevant documents by April?
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C_Lawyer
How bad that we have no further info!
I was happy before bumping to this thread, thinking I still have plenty time and now I'm stressed :( But thx for the remarks putou! :)
How bad that we have no further info!
I was happy before bumping to this thread, thinking I still have plenty time and now I'm stressed :( But thx for the remarks putou! :)
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nanolo
This all thing is pretty annoying...I don't know what to choose...Even if I've chosen BU for my LLM i cannot say that I am currently enrolled, and surely I don't know the day of my graduation...So I should mark "no" on the questionnarie, but what if then they say that I didn't pass the evaluation? Does someone have an idea?
This all thing is pretty annoying...I don't know what to choose...Even if I've chosen BU for my LLM i cannot say that I am currently enrolled, and surely I don't know the day of my graduation...So I should mark "no" on the questionnarie, but what if then they say that I didn't pass the evaluation? Does someone have an idea?
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thh
This all thing is pretty annoying...I don't know what to choose...Even if I've chosen BU for my LLM i cannot say that I am currently enrolled, and surely I don't know the day of my graduation...So I should mark "no" on the questionnarie, but what if then they say that I didn't pass the evaluation? Does someone have an idea?


I marked everything with yes. Although I am currently not enrolled I thought it is better to put the name of the school and to guess the day of graduation. I don't want to take the risk to not pass the evaluation.
I am currently in my final year of study and I will graduate next month. There is no possibility to choose the date of 2011 for attended courses. I had to put 1911...

Not really customer-friendly this page!

It's getting really annoying with all these applications. I hope the evaluation process will be better, more professional and less complicated than the stupid LSAC service! :D
<blockquote>This all thing is pretty annoying...I don't know what to choose...Even if I've chosen BU for my LLM i cannot say that I am currently enrolled, and surely I don't know the day of my graduation...So I should mark "no" on the questionnarie, but what if then they say that I didn't pass the evaluation? Does someone have an idea?</blockquote>

I marked everything with yes. Although I am currently not enrolled I thought it is better to put the name of the school and to guess the day of graduation. I don't want to take the risk to not pass the evaluation.
I am currently in my final year of study and I will graduate next month. There is no possibility to choose the date of 2011 for attended courses. I had to put 1911...

Not really customer-friendly this page!

It's getting really annoying with all these applications. I hope the evaluation process will be better, more professional and less complicated than the stupid LSAC service! :D
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nanolo
This all thing is pretty annoying...I don't know what to choose...Even if I've chosen BU for my LLM i cannot say that I am currently enrolled, and surely I don't know the day of my graduation...So I should mark "no" on the questionnarie, but what if then they say that I didn't pass the evaluation? Does someone have an idea?


I marked everything with yes. Although I am currently not enrolled I thought it is better to put the name of the school and to guess the day of graduation. I don't want to take the risk to not pass the evaluation.
I am currently in my final year of study and I will graduate next month. There is no possibility to choose the date of 2011 for attended courses. I had to put 1911...

Not really customer-friendly this page!

It's getting really annoying with all these applications. I hope the evaluation process will be better, more professional and less complicated than the stupid LSAC service! :D


I must admit that your solution is quite "extreme":) I am not sure of how to proceed, for the moment I'll collect all the documents I need (official transcripts and translation, declaration that I have finished all the academics requirements to set for the Bar here...), then...I don't know. I hope that in the meantime BU lets me know the Academic calendar, or maybe I'll ask directly to them how to continue.
In your case, I understand what you did, but when it comes to rules and procedures to respect Americans are not as "flexible" as Europeans (and it is not a bad thing, at least for me, coming from Italy, the Land of "chaos"). I hope for you it'll work!
<blockquote><blockquote>This all thing is pretty annoying...I don't know what to choose...Even if I've chosen BU for my LLM i cannot say that I am currently enrolled, and surely I don't know the day of my graduation...So I should mark "no" on the questionnarie, but what if then they say that I didn't pass the evaluation? Does someone have an idea?</blockquote>

I marked everything with yes. Although I am currently not enrolled I thought it is better to put the name of the school and to guess the day of graduation. I don't want to take the risk to not pass the evaluation.
I am currently in my final year of study and I will graduate next month. There is no possibility to choose the date of 2011 for attended courses. I had to put 1911...

Not really customer-friendly this page!

It's getting really annoying with all these applications. I hope the evaluation process will be better, more professional and less complicated than the stupid LSAC service! :D</blockquote>

I must admit that your solution is quite "extreme":) I am not sure of how to proceed, for the moment I'll collect all the documents I need (official transcripts and translation, declaration that I have finished all the academics requirements to set for the Bar here...), then...I don't know. I hope that in the meantime BU lets me know the Academic calendar, or maybe I'll ask directly to them how to continue.
In your case, I understand what you did, but when it comes to rules and procedures to respect Americans are not as "flexible" as Europeans (and it is not a bad thing, at least for me, coming from Italy, the Land of "chaos"). I hope for you it'll work!
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thh
I didn't tell that Americans are not as "flexible" as Europeans. The Universities I applied to were extremely "customer-friendly". One University allowed me to send everything by email and was really helpful. But I underestimated the lot of preparation just to do a LLM and bar exam :D

But the LSAC service was really a waste of money...

And the advanced evaluation eligibility BEFORE April 2011 is just annoying!
A friend of mine studies at the University of Lucerne which is a normal state University as all other Universities in Switzerland (we have just 12 Universities). He got the message that his University is NOT on the list of accredited schools the Board has on file (?!?). Can you imagine how complicated it will be to provide proof of accreditation considering that he is in his final year of study and has no transcript?! :D
I didn't tell that Americans are not as "flexible" as Europeans. The Universities I applied to were extremely "customer-friendly". One University allowed me to send everything by email and was really helpful. But I underestimated the lot of preparation just to do a LLM and bar exam :D

But the LSAC service was really a waste of money...

And the advanced evaluation eligibility BEFORE April 2011 is just annoying!
A friend of mine studies at the University of Lucerne which is a normal state University as all other Universities in Switzerland (we have just 12 Universities). He got the message that his University is NOT on the list of accredited schools the Board has on file (?!?). Can you imagine how complicated it will be to provide proof of accreditation considering that he is in his final year of study and has no transcript?! :D


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raven
How can you contact them?
There is no email. I tried mai and fax. Phone doesn't work as well....

Anyone had a chance to actually talk to them?
How can you contact them?
There is no email. I tried mai and fax. Phone doesn't work as well....

Anyone had a chance to actually talk to them?
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waitgirl
How can you contact them?
There is no email. I tried mai and fax. Phone doesn't work as well....

Anyone had a chance to actually talk to them?


I faxed and mailed them a few months ago but never got any reply. As one may already know, phone and email do not work. I guess we just have to take a risk and mail them every possible document they need by tracked delivery. Just to make sure that they receive them. Another possibility is to visit them in person in Albany, NY upstate. but I doubt whether they allow any visitor and the worst part is you can never find out....

And I must say, since the millenium started, i never experienced any adminstrative incovenience like this. I would not say they are backward technology-wise, but just very reluctant to be contacted by the outside world.
<blockquote>How can you contact them?
There is no email. I tried mai and fax. Phone doesn't work as well....

Anyone had a chance to actually talk to them?</blockquote>

I faxed and mailed them a few months ago but never got any reply. As one may already know, phone and email do not work. I guess we just have to take a risk and mail them every possible document they need by tracked delivery. Just to make sure that they receive them. Another possibility is to visit them in person in Albany, NY upstate. but I doubt whether they allow any visitor and the worst part is you can never find out....

And I must say, since the millenium started, i never experienced any adminstrative incovenience like this. I would not say they are backward technology-wise, but just very reluctant to be contacted by the outside world.
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nanolo
As I said, probably the best thing to do is to ask the University you choose to pursue your LLM, maybe they can clarify a little bit. The worst thing is that now I have to come back to my University, beg them for new transcripts and to send them in the US (they're never going to do that). Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar...etc...It's like coming back to the application for the LLM, which was a bureaucracy hell:D. Let's see.

As regards the "flexibility", of course Universities are very friendly and "at your disposal", the problems begin when you have to deal with a Government or Private Authority (as for example the LSAC...I had problems with them as well, and I don't think it'll be different with the NY BAR).
As I said, probably the best thing to do is to ask the University you choose to pursue your LLM, maybe they can clarify a little bit. The worst thing is that now I have to come back to my University, beg them for new transcripts and to send them in the US (they're never going to do that). Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar...etc...It's like coming back to the application for the LLM, which was a bureaucracy hell:D. Let's see.

As regards the "flexibility", of course Universities are very friendly and "at your disposal", the problems begin when you have to deal with a Government or Private Authority (as for example the LSAC...I had problems with them as well, and I don't think it'll be different with the NY BAR).
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raven
As I said, probably the best thing to do is to ask the University you choose to pursue your LLM, maybe they can clarify a little bit. The worst thing is that now I have to come back to my University, beg them for new transcripts and to send them in the US (they're never going to do that). Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar...etc...It's like coming back to the application for the LLM, which was a bureaucracy hell:D. Let's see.

As regards the "flexibility", of course Universities are very friendly and "at your disposal", the problems begin when you have to deal with a Government or Private Authority (as for example the LSAC...I had problems with them as well, and I don't think it'll be different with the NY BAR).



"Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar."

Do you need this if your uni is in the list? Can you post a link to this list.
<blockquote>As I said, probably the best thing to do is to ask the University you choose to pursue your LLM, maybe they can clarify a little bit. The worst thing is that now I have to come back to my University, beg them for new transcripts and to send them in the US (they're never going to do that). Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar...etc...It's like coming back to the application for the LLM, which was a bureaucracy hell:D. Let's see.

As regards the "flexibility", of course Universities are very friendly and "at your disposal", the problems begin when you have to deal with a Government or Private Authority (as for example the LSAC...I had problems with them as well, and I don't think it'll be different with the NY BAR).</blockquote>


"Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar."

Do you need this if your uni is in the list? Can you post a link to this list.
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waitgirl
As I said, probably the best thing to do is to ask the University you choose to pursue your LLM, maybe they can clarify a little bit. The worst thing is that now I have to come back to my University, beg them for new transcripts and to send them in the US (they're never going to do that). Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar...etc...It's like coming back to the application for the LLM, which was a bureaucracy hell:D. Let's see.

As regards the "flexibility", of course Universities are very friendly and "at your disposal", the problems begin when you have to deal with a Government or Private Authority (as for example the LSAC...I had problems with them as well, and I don't think it'll be different with the NY BAR).



"Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar."

Do you need this if your uni is in the list? Can you post a link to this list.
<blockquote><blockquote>As I said, probably the best thing to do is to ask the University you choose to pursue your LLM, maybe they can clarify a little bit. The worst thing is that now I have to come back to my University, beg them for new transcripts and to send them in the US (they're never going to do that). Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar...etc...It's like coming back to the application for the LLM, which was a bureaucracy hell:D. Let's see.

As regards the "flexibility", of course Universities are very friendly and "at your disposal", the problems begin when you have to deal with a Government or Private Authority (as for example the LSAC...I had problems with them as well, and I don't think it'll be different with the NY BAR).</blockquote>


"Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar."

Do you need this if your uni is in the list? Can you post a link to this list.</blockquote>

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GOG
I think you can simply call the NYBLE and ask them. If you call 518-4535990 then choose No 4 that explains the requirements for foreign evaluation; and then wait and choose 0, someone will answer you and you can ask any question you might have. I hope this is helpful.
I think you can simply call the NYBLE and ask them. If you call 518-4535990 then choose No 4 that explains the requirements for foreign evaluation; and then wait and choose 0, someone will answer you and you can ask any question you might have. I hope this is helpful.
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nanolo
As I said, probably the best thing to do is to ask the University you choose to pursue your LLM, maybe they can clarify a little bit. The worst thing is that now I have to come back to my University, beg them for new transcripts and to send them in the US (they're never going to do that). Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar...etc...It's like coming back to the application for the LLM, which was a bureaucracy hell:D. Let's see.

As regards the "flexibility", of course Universities are very friendly and "at your disposal", the problems begin when you have to deal with a Government or Private Authority (as for example the LSAC...I had problems with them as well, and I don't think it'll be different with the NY BAR).



"Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar."

Do you need this if your uni is in the list? Can you post a link to this list.


" (d) Accreditation. Submit a written statement from the competent accrediting agency of your foreign government that the law school or schools you attended were recognized by them as qualified and approved throughout your period of study."

As you can see, it doesn't make any difference whether your school is on the list or not...It does sound stupid though.

Probably I'll follow the previous advice and just call them tomorrow after having bought an international phone card.
If someone calls before or knows something, please post here! THX
<blockquote><blockquote>As I said, probably the best thing to do is to ask the University you choose to pursue your LLM, maybe they can clarify a little bit. The worst thing is that now I have to come back to my University, beg them for new transcripts and to send them in the US (they're never going to do that). Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar...etc...It's like coming back to the application for the LLM, which was a bureaucracy hell:D. Let's see.

As regards the "flexibility", of course Universities are very friendly and "at your disposal", the problems begin when you have to deal with a Government or Private Authority (as for example the LSAC...I had problems with them as well, and I don't think it'll be different with the NY BAR).</blockquote>


"Then the official translation, the statement that my university is accredited (even though this seems stupid to me since my school is in the list they provide), the statement I finished the academic requirements her to set for the bar."

Do you need this if your uni is in the list? Can you post a link to this list.</blockquote>

"• (d) Accreditation. Submit a written statement from the competent accrediting agency of your foreign government that the law school or schools you attended were recognized by them as qualified and approved throughout your period of study."

As you can see, it doesn't make any difference whether your school is on the list or not...It does sound stupid though.

Probably I'll follow the previous advice and just call them tomorrow after having bought an international phone card.
If someone calls before or knows something, please post here! THX
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thh
Following was written in my confirmation email I received:

"Your law school is currently on the list of accredited schools the Board has on file. Therefore, you will NOT need to provide proof of accreditation as part of the required supporting documentation you must submit."

So I guess we don't have to send them a proof of accreditation and the transcripts would so far be enough. Am I right?
Following was written in my confirmation email I received:

"Your law school is currently on the list of accredited schools the Board has on file. Therefore, you will NOT need to provide proof of accreditation as part of the required supporting documentation you must submit."

So I guess we don't have to send them a proof of accreditation and the transcripts would so far be enough. Am I right?
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