UNSW or ANU??


notheless
Hello every one, i really appreciate you guys' response to my post before, now i've gotten the JD offers from ANU and UNSW. to be well informed, i needs your advanced information.

On the one hand :it's clear that UNSW have better location, ANU have better international reuputation.

On the other hand:
1.whether the location will influence my job opportunity? to what exent? ANU has a better image before, for it's reputation and quiet enviroment(life style here is ok to me) while UNSW just did well in advertising itself internationally and to collect money.

2. the ANU requires ielts scores 7overall but only 6.5overall is required by UNSW which means the students' quality in ANU will be better than UNSW? since i heard that 1/3 in UNSW is asain(need ielts score to get the offer). However i also heard people in ANU said their LLB student is only 75% in the university entrance exam???

3. I also heard from people ANU's 16th rank is just because of its research ability, but teachers here are focused on their research that distract their attention on teaching (espically on bachelor including LLB ) largely. And UNSW labled itself the "top education quality" on its website,as mentioned above i'm not sure it's true or just another kind of advertising.

All in all, i need your guys comments about information above to make my decision, job opportunity influence, students here and teaching quality or anythings else concerning~

thanks in advance!
Hello every one, i really appreciate you guys' response to my post before, now i've gotten the JD offers from ANU and UNSW. to be well informed, i needs your advanced information.

On the one hand :it's clear that UNSW have better location, ANU have better international reuputation.

On the other hand:
1.whether the location will influence my job opportunity? to what exent? ANU has a better image before, for it's reputation and quiet enviroment(life style here is ok to me) while UNSW just did well in advertising itself internationally and to collect money.

2. the ANU requires ielts scores 7overall but only 6.5overall is required by UNSW which means the students' quality in ANU will be better than UNSW? since i heard that 1/3 in UNSW is asain(need ielts score to get the offer). However i also heard people in ANU said their LLB student is only 75% in the university entrance exam???

3. I also heard from people ANU's 16th rank is just because of its research ability, but teachers here are focused on their research that distract their attention on teaching (espically on bachelor including LLB ) largely. And UNSW labled itself the "top education quality" on its website,as mentioned above i'm not sure it's true or just another kind of advertising.

All in all, i need your guys comments about information above to make my decision, job opportunity influence, students here and teaching quality or anythings else concerning~

thanks in advance!
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I can't speak about how the universities are perceived internationally. But in Australia, UNSW has a higher reputation than ANU.

UNSW has a higher demand, reflected in its extremely high entrance requirements. The cut-off mark to be accepted as an undergraduate into law at UNSW is around 99.4, whereas at ANU it is 95.5:
http://www.uac.edu.au/documents/uai/2009_uai_coffs_main.pdf

ANU has a good reputation as a law school, however. Both are good law schools. I suspect the main reason for ANU's high international reputation is really because of research.

In terms of location, ANU is in the city of Canberra, which is very quiet and quite small. UNSW is situated in Sydney, the biggest and most bustling place in Australia. It depends on which of these you want.
I can't speak about how the universities are perceived internationally. But in Australia, UNSW has a higher reputation than ANU.

UNSW has a higher demand, reflected in its extremely high entrance requirements. The cut-off mark to be accepted as an undergraduate into law at UNSW is around 99.4, whereas at ANU it is 95.5:
http://www.uac.edu.au/documents/uai/2009_uai_coffs_main.pdf

ANU has a good reputation as a law school, however. Both are good law schools. I suspect the main reason for ANU's high international reputation is really because of research.

In terms of location, ANU is in the city of Canberra, which is very quiet and quite small. UNSW is situated in Sydney, the biggest and most bustling place in Australia. It depends on which of these you want.
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legalalien
I agree- choose based on location. And note that Canberra will likely be a cheaper choice, in terms of cost of living. One other factor - if you're interested in administrative law / competition /regulatory areas of law, you're probably better with ANU, the seat of government being something of a drawcard for experts in this area.
I agree- choose based on location. And note that Canberra will likely be a cheaper choice, in terms of cost of living. One other factor - if you're interested in administrative law / competition /regulatory areas of law, you're probably better with ANU, the seat of government being something of a drawcard for experts in this area.
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notheless
Firstly, thanks for your guys replies.

To be honest ,i'm not really sure myself. although i'm not intend to get a AU PR, i'm going to stay in AU for couple of years to accumulate some oversea experince, so job opporitunity and convience of job hunting are in the top of my list. apperantly UNSW holds more weight on the location.
And ANU has a better reputaion among law firms(that's what
i'd thought about prior to post this topic).

What i''m afraid about is i've never been to there and it's very commerical in my heart(is it a prejudice??). since i feel it just advertising itself well internationally.

For one thing,I researched "The Good Universities Guide 2009" UNSW got "better" on each subject while USYD got three "average" and even a "worse" on its overall statisfaction?????? the statistic is flawed,the resualt is beyond my commonsense. i'm afraid it's another advertisment of UNSW,(in my country some universities donate the organization undergroundly for better evaluation).

For another,as you guys said UNSW's entrance reqiurement is pretty high(thanks for the PDF).
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What confused me is that its ielts requiremt for JD program is only 6.5 overall and with no less than 6 each?? and people can apply for the JD twice a year?? i never saw any "USYD""ANU"like universies done like this.
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So in my way of think,the low ielts requirement and frenquent availability for application is to recruit students as much as they can to earn money????


There's no offence to this university and students there, it's in my list as well, i just want to dispel the cloudy in my mind.
That would be great if anyone can supply the class size of UNSW LLB or LLM or anyother things related to overturn my assumption.
Firstly, thanks for your guys replies.

To be honest ,i'm not really sure myself. although i'm not intend to get a AU PR, i'm going to stay in AU for couple of years to accumulate some oversea experince, so job opporitunity and convience of job hunting are in the top of my list. apperantly UNSW holds more weight on the location.
And ANU has a better reputaion among law firms(that's what
i'd thought about prior to post this topic).

What i''m afraid about is i've never been to there and it's very commerical in my heart(is it a prejudice??). since i feel it just advertising itself well internationally.

For one thing,I researched "The Good Universities Guide 2009" UNSW got "better" on each subject while USYD got three "average" and even a "worse" on its overall statisfaction?????? the statistic is flawed,the resualt is beyond my commonsense. i'm afraid it's another advertisment of UNSW,(in my country some universities donate the organization undergroundly for better evaluation).

For another,as you guys said UNSW's entrance reqiurement is pretty high(thanks for the PDF).
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What confused me is that its ielts requiremt for JD program is only 6.5 overall and with no less than 6 each?? and people can apply for the JD twice a year?? i never saw any "USYD""ANU"like universies done like this.
*****************************************************************
So in my way of think,the low ielts requirement and frenquent availability for application is to recruit students as much as they can to earn money????


There's no offence to this university and students there, it's in my list as well, i just want to dispel the cloudy in my mind.
That would be great if anyone can supply the class size of UNSW LLB or LLM or anyother things related to overturn my assumption.

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I can tell you for certain that ANU does not have a 'better reputation among law firms' than UNSW. I have no idea how you came to that grossly erroneous conclusion! I am talking about law firms in Australia, and particularly in NSW (which is where Sydney is -- the commercial hub of the country). It may well be different for firms overseas of course. ANU does seem to have a better reputation internationally, but again that, I suspect, is because of its research prowess, not for the quality of its undergraduate teaching.

The UNSW JD program was only introduced this year. It is simply a renaming of the previous 'graduate law' program (that is, the LLB for people who have already graduated with a non-law degree). Most students take law straight out of high school, and they can only do this combined with a non-law degree (e.g. BA / LLB). Hence, the cut-off marks in the list I provided are for the majority of students.

UNSW assesses those applying for graduate law (the JD) differently. As I said, it is a new program, so I would contact the university to find out precisely how they assess graduate law candidates.

As for class sizes, the UNSW classes are roughly 35-40 students, depending on the subject. These are interactive tutorial/seminar type classes (there are no 'lectures').

I have no idea what the LLM class sizes are. Personally I would not do an LLM at UNSW if you are trying to learn substantive Australian law. International subjects, sure. But if you want to do advanced Australian law, better to do a masters at the University of Sydney.
I can tell you for certain that ANU does not have a 'better reputation among law firms' than UNSW. I have no idea how you came to that grossly erroneous conclusion! I am talking about law firms in Australia, and particularly in NSW (which is where Sydney is -- the commercial hub of the country). It may well be different for firms overseas of course. ANU does seem to have a better reputation internationally, but again that, I suspect, is because of its research prowess, not for the quality of its undergraduate teaching.

The UNSW JD program was only introduced this year. It is simply a renaming of the previous 'graduate law' program (that is, the LLB for people who have already graduated with a non-law degree). Most students take law straight out of high school, and they can only do this combined with a non-law degree (e.g. BA / LLB). Hence, the cut-off marks in the list I provided are for the majority of students.

UNSW assesses those applying for graduate law (the JD) differently. As I said, it is a new program, so I would contact the university to find out precisely how they assess graduate law candidates.

As for class sizes, the UNSW classes are roughly 35-40 students, depending on the subject. These are interactive tutorial/seminar type classes (there are no 'lectures').

I have no idea what the LLM class sizes are. Personally I would not do an LLM at UNSW if you are trying to learn substantive Australian law. International subjects, sure. But if you want to do advanced Australian law, better to do a masters at the University of Sydney.
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feehan
Urgent I need help. I just got offer from ANU JD but I am not sure the IELTS. The conditional letter stated that at least 6.5 (7 for law based program) with no band less than 6.0 and in the lower paragraph is stated law school graduate progrm need 7 with a specific 7 in writing. So JD is treated a graduate program even I never study law.

If I got 7 overall but 6.5 in writing only, do I need to retake?
Urgent I need help. I just got offer from ANU JD but I am not sure the IELTS. The conditional letter stated that at least 6.5 (7 for law based program) with no band less than 6.0 and in the lower paragraph is stated law school graduate progrm need 7 with a specific 7 in writing. So JD is treated a graduate program even I never study law.

If I got 7 overall but 6.5 in writing only, do I need to retake?
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Gregor2009
Urgent I need help. I just got offer from ANU JD but I am not sure the IELTS. The conditional letter stated that at least 6.5 (7 for law based program) with no band less than 6.0 and in the lower paragraph is stated law school graduate progrm need 7 with a specific 7 in writing. So JD is treated a graduate program even I never study law.

If I got 7 overall but 6.5 in writing only, do I need to retake?


Based on what you have said I would think you have to resit? Ask them if they are willing to take substitutes/alternatives!
<blockquote>Urgent I need help. I just got offer from ANU JD but I am not sure the IELTS. The conditional letter stated that at least 6.5 (7 for law based program) with no band less than 6.0 and in the lower paragraph is stated law school graduate progrm need 7 with a specific 7 in writing. So JD is treated a graduate program even I never study law.

If I got 7 overall but 6.5 in writing only, do I need to retake? </blockquote>

Based on what you have said I would think you have to resit? Ask them if they are willing to take substitutes/alternatives!
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