NUS-LLM 2015/16 applicants


CorpLawyer

Thanks for your valuable advise. I share your opinion as regards the job prospects in the US and that is one the reasons why I am a bit hesitant in opting for the universities in US.
As mentioned in my earlier post, good job prospects after an LLM is certainly a compelling reason to join a University. However, I am not sure about the recent placements from NUS specially for the IBL students.

Thanks for your valuable advise. I share your opinion as regards the job prospects in the US and that is one the reasons why I am a bit hesitant in opting for the universities in US.
As mentioned in my earlier post, good job prospects after an LLM is certainly a compelling reason to join a University. However, I am not sure about the recent placements from NUS specially for the IBL students.
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Pulkit1283

@corplawyer,
I have been in touch with several Alumni's of NUS who have completed their LLM there in CFS, so for the benefit of everyone I would like to share the feedback received. In sum and substance all of them echoed that at present the legal job market in SG is stagnant/exhausted and therefore landing a job is an exception and certainly not the rule. A high percentage of those who I spoke to have returned back to India on account of having failed to secure a job in SG. Moreover, it was pointed out to me that the top firms lean towards US/UK/AUS qualified lawyers doing their LLM in NUS on account of them being eligible under the legal profession act of SG to sit for qualifying exams and subsequently be called to the bar in SG (provided their University is recognized by SG),which unfortunately is something people from other jurisdictions are unable to do. A method to boost employability from what I have been informed is if you have considerable or at least 3+ years work experience which would entitle you to give an exam to be licensed under section 130 I of the aforesaid act as a foreign practitioner.
Hope this helps and assist all with several other offers to reach a reasoned decision.
Cheers and once again all the best to everyone still awaiting intimation from NUS

@corplawyer,
I have been in touch with several Alumni's of NUS who have completed their LLM there in CFS, so for the benefit of everyone I would like to share the feedback received. In sum and substance all of them echoed that at present the legal job market in SG is stagnant/exhausted and therefore landing a job is an exception and certainly not the rule. A high percentage of those who I spoke to have returned back to India on account of having failed to secure a job in SG. Moreover, it was pointed out to me that the top firms lean towards US/UK/AUS qualified lawyers doing their LLM in NUS on account of them being eligible under the legal profession act of SG to sit for qualifying exams and subsequently be called to the bar in SG (provided their University is recognized by SG),which unfortunately is something people from other jurisdictions are unable to do. A method to boost employability from what I have been informed is if you have considerable or at least 3+ years work experience which would entitle you to give an exam to be licensed under section 130 I of the aforesaid act as a foreign practitioner.
Hope this helps and assist all with several other offers to reach a reasoned decision.
Cheers and once again all the best to everyone still awaiting intimation from NUS
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LLM-2015

These are extremely helpful posts! Thanks a bunch!

I actually heard the same thing from a few people who are working in Singapore (CC) and presently studying at NUS - job scene is bleak as the market is saturated with lawyers, and one should be prepared to come back to their home country (if theyre not UK/US qualified).

I also heard that a foreign lawyer can give the bar only if they have secured a job with a firm and that firm wants you to sit for the bar. So it seems like a vicious circle. If you cant take the bar then what is the whole point of going for the llm?? Do any of you have thoughts on this?

These are extremely helpful posts! Thanks a bunch!

I actually heard the same thing from a few people who are working in Singapore (CC) and presently studying at NUS - job scene is bleak as the market is saturated with lawyers, and one should be prepared to come back to their home country (if theyre not UK/US qualified).

I also heard that a foreign lawyer can give the bar only if they have secured a job with a firm and that firm wants you to sit for the bar. So it seems like a vicious circle. If you cant take the bar then what is the whole point of going for the llm?? Do any of you have thoughts on this?

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Pulkit1283

@LLM-2015,
Hi, the way I see it, it is an opportunity to adds soft skill to your resume along with your experience for better opportunities, either where you are pursuing your LLM or back in your home jurisdiction. That being said, I certainly did not intend to demoralise any prospective student or aspiring Applicant. Though it may be true, that law firms may now a days have restricted access especially for those not belonging to US/UK/AUS/NZ qualified lawyers that does not take away the chances of getting into various other organisations such as corporate establishments, consultancy firms etc. Moreover, what must be kept in mind is that the majority of the international law firms operating out of SG have their India desk either in HK or UK or one or more two places so they may instead offer you an opportunity to work there, so the implication as regards the job scenario was limited to one seeking to work and settle purely in SG.
Lastly, as far as the bar qualification is concerned, it's strictly governed by the relevant act concerned and barring the lawyers (with their first degree in law) hailing from those jurisdictions, you cannot be eligible to be called to the bar irrespective of whether the law firm desires you to do so or not, which personally I fond difficult to fathom as all forms are well aware of these provisions.
Hope this helps and clarifies to a certain level.
other members feel free to participate and offer another perspective, it'll only benefit everyone here

@LLM-2015,
Hi, the way I see it, it is an opportunity to adds soft skill to your resume along with your experience for better opportunities, either where you are pursuing your LLM or back in your home jurisdiction. That being said, I certainly did not intend to demoralise any prospective student or aspiring Applicant. Though it may be true, that law firms may now a days have restricted access especially for those not belonging to US/UK/AUS/NZ qualified lawyers that does not take away the chances of getting into various other organisations such as corporate establishments, consultancy firms etc. Moreover, what must be kept in mind is that the majority of the international law firms operating out of SG have their India desk either in HK or UK or one or more two places so they may instead offer you an opportunity to work there, so the implication as regards the job scenario was limited to one seeking to work and settle purely in SG.
Lastly, as far as the bar qualification is concerned, it's strictly governed by the relevant act concerned and barring the lawyers (with their first degree in law) hailing from those jurisdictions, you cannot be eligible to be called to the bar irrespective of whether the law firm desires you to do so or not, which personally I fond difficult to fathom as all forms are well aware of these provisions.
Hope this helps and clarifies to a certain level.
other members feel free to participate and offer another perspective, it'll only benefit everyone here
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Pulkit1283

Hey folks any further updates as regards any offer of admissions?

Hey folks any further updates as regards any offer of admissions?
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Firstly, Congratulations to all those who have made it. Secondly, don't worry much about jobs and placements. I understand that this is an expensive programme, but even the offer letter states, "We understand, of course, that this is an expensive programme. But rest assured we work hard to make it a worthy investment!" Should we all not just drink and merry! till the time programme starts.
The point is to be clear about what we want out of this LLM, if a hefty pay package is an answer, then this is not the thing. Being a lawyer is all about being confident, and if we are not confident of cracking it or making a place for our own, no degree in the world can assure us a job.
I look forward to meeting you all and having an enriching experience. @Pulkit, man you have some good drafting skiils!!!

Firstly, Congratulations to all those who have made it. Secondly, don't worry much about jobs and placements. I understand that this is an expensive programme, but even the offer letter states, "We understand, of course, that this is an expensive programme. But rest assured we work hard to make it a worthy investment!" Should we all not just drink and merry! till the time programme starts.
The point is to be clear about what we want out of this LLM, if a hefty pay package is an answer, then this is not the thing. Being a lawyer is all about being confident, and if we are not confident of cracking it or making a place for our own, no degree in the world can assure us a job.
I look forward to meeting you all and having an enriching experience. @Pulkit, man you have some good drafting skiils!!!
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Firstly, Congratulations to all those who have made it. Secondly, don't worry much about jobs and placements. I understand that this is an expensive programme, but even the offer letter states, "We understand, of course, that this is an expensive programme. But rest assured we work hard to make it a worthy investment!" Should we all not just drink and merry! till the time programme starts.
The point is to be clear about what we want out of this LLM, if a hefty pay package is an answer, then this is not the thing. Being a lawyer is all about being confident, and if we are not confident of cracking it or making a place for our own, no degree in the world can assure us a job.
I look forward to meeting you all and having an enriching experience. @Pulkit, man you have some good drafting skiils!!!

Hello Folks...
I am delighted that all the members in the group are giving good insights which are very helpful...the question which has been raised here about placements depends on personal credentials and your hard work...the main aim of doing LLM is to take International exposure and then you have the choice to stay back or come back to India.....LLM degree will not make any wonders if you have not have clear goals...@ !!!

<blockquote>Firstly, Congratulations to all those who have made it. Secondly, don't worry much about jobs and placements. I understand that this is an expensive programme, but even the offer letter states, "We understand, of course, that this is an expensive programme. But rest assured we work hard to make it a worthy investment!" Should we all not just drink and merry! till the time programme starts.
The point is to be clear about what we want out of this LLM, if a hefty pay package is an answer, then this is not the thing. Being a lawyer is all about being confident, and if we are not confident of cracking it or making a place for our own, no degree in the world can assure us a job.
I look forward to meeting you all and having an enriching experience. @Pulkit, man you have some good drafting skiils!!!</blockquote>
Hello Folks...
I am delighted that all the members in the group are giving good insights which are very helpful...the question which has been raised here about placements depends on personal credentials and your hard work...the main aim of doing LLM is to take International exposure and then you have the choice to stay back or come back to India.....LLM degree will not make any wonders if you have not have clear goals...@ !!!
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Pulkit1283

@Lawyer widt LAW,
Thanks for the gesture, please do share as to which course you'll be joining NUS for. Thanks in advance

@Lawyer widt LAW,
Thanks for the gesture, please do share as to which course you'll be joining NUS for. Thanks in advance
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CorpLawyer

@LLM-2015,
Hi, the way I see it, it is an opportunity to adds soft skill to your resume along with your experience for better opportunities, either where you are pursuing your LLM or back in your home jurisdiction. That being said, I certainly did not intend to demoralise any prospective student or aspiring Applicant. Though it may be true, that law firms may now a days have restricted access especially for those not belonging to US/UK/AUS/NZ qualified lawyers that does not take away the chances of getting into various other organisations such as corporate establishments, consultancy firms etc. Moreover, what must be kept in mind is that the majority of the international law firms operating out of SG have their India desk either in HK or UK or one or more two places so they may instead offer you an opportunity to work there, so the implication as regards the job scenario was limited to one seeking to work and settle purely in SG.
Lastly, as far as the bar qualification is concerned, it's strictly governed by the relevant act concerned and barring the lawyers (with their first degree in law) hailing from those jurisdictions, you cannot be eligible to be called to the bar irrespective of whether the law firm desires you to do so or not, which personally I fond difficult to fathom as all forms are well aware of these provisions.
Hope this helps and clarifies to a certain level.
other members feel free to participate and offer another perspective, it'll only benefit everyone here


@Pulkit1283: Quite a few interesting points and I do concur with you on the jobs in consultancy firms and the corporate establishments. I think what we are more focusing is on the legal practice in Singapore, it's requirements and it's challenges. However, as you have very rightly pointed out that there are several other opportunities for LLM candidates apart from law practice in SG.

Let me also share that many people who have graduated from NUS and law schools in the UK and US are of the view that the Asia Pacific region is much more lively than other jurisdictions as far as job prospects is concerned. So, the probability of getting placed is still higher than other jurisdictions even though the market seems to be saturated.

I am very sure that this LLM along with our work experience shall definitely bolster our profiles as lawyers which hopefully shall create better opportunities for each one of us.

<blockquote>@LLM-2015,
Hi, the way I see it, it is an opportunity to adds soft skill to your resume along with your experience for better opportunities, either where you are pursuing your LLM or back in your home jurisdiction. That being said, I certainly did not intend to demoralise any prospective student or aspiring Applicant. Though it may be true, that law firms may now a days have restricted access especially for those not belonging to US/UK/AUS/NZ qualified lawyers that does not take away the chances of getting into various other organisations such as corporate establishments, consultancy firms etc. Moreover, what must be kept in mind is that the majority of the international law firms operating out of SG have their India desk either in HK or UK or one or more two places so they may instead offer you an opportunity to work there, so the implication as regards the job scenario was limited to one seeking to work and settle purely in SG.
Lastly, as far as the bar qualification is concerned, it's strictly governed by the relevant act concerned and barring the lawyers (with their first degree in law) hailing from those jurisdictions, you cannot be eligible to be called to the bar irrespective of whether the law firm desires you to do so or not, which personally I fond difficult to fathom as all forms are well aware of these provisions.
Hope this helps and clarifies to a certain level.
other members feel free to participate and offer another perspective, it'll only benefit everyone here </blockquote>

@Pulkit1283: Quite a few interesting points and I do concur with you on the jobs in consultancy firms and the corporate establishments. I think what we are more focusing is on the legal practice in Singapore, it's requirements and it's challenges. However, as you have very rightly pointed out that there are several other opportunities for LLM candidates apart from law practice in SG.

Let me also share that many people who have graduated from NUS and law schools in the UK and US are of the view that the Asia Pacific region is much more lively than other jurisdictions as far as job prospects is concerned. So, the probability of getting placed is still higher than other jurisdictions even though the market seems to be saturated.

I am very sure that this LLM along with our work experience shall definitely bolster our profiles as lawyers which hopefully shall create better opportunities for each one of us.
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RGINDIA

Look at all of us worrying here for job opportunities in Singapore! C'mon guys! Why not rather focus on learning as much as we can from this world class institution and make ourselves capable, so that we can take on any opportunity that comes our way in the future? And I assure there will be loads of them.

Having said that, I know many of us are spending huge sums of money for this foreign experience, and are sceptical of returns on our investments. But, if you were to ask me, I'd say take this experience as a lifetime opportunity and have faith that a good education never goes to waste.

Singapore is a great place to live in. Let us all make the most of it, have the time of our lives and then go on achieve whatever we wish to.

Look at all of us worrying here for job opportunities in Singapore! C'mon guys! Why not rather focus on learning as much as we can from this world class institution and make ourselves capable, so that we can take on any opportunity that comes our way in the future? And I assure there will be loads of them.

Having said that, I know many of us are spending huge sums of money for this foreign experience, and are sceptical of returns on our investments. But, if you were to ask me, I'd say take this experience as a lifetime opportunity and have faith that a good education never goes to waste.

Singapore is a great place to live in. Let us all make the most of it, have the time of our lives and then go on achieve whatever we wish to.
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How much does a bottle of liquor cost in Sgpore, any idea?

How much does a bottle of liquor cost in Sgpore, any idea?
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k818

Has anyone received words on scholarships, etc.?

Has anyone received words on scholarships, etc.?
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Pulkit1283

I was there last year, so I can safely say that a pint of beer at a convenience store is approximately 4-5 SGD. and these are the local ones, the fancier you go the pricier it will get.

I was there last year, so I can safely say that a pint of beer at a convenience store is approximately 4-5 SGD. and these are the local ones, the fancier you go the pricier it will get.
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RGINDIA

How much does a bottle of liquor cost in Sgpore, any idea?


Hahah! Now that's an interesting topic! I guess it should cost around 35-40 SD. A 500ml bottle of beer should cost around 7-8 SD.

<blockquote>How much does a bottle of liquor cost in Sgpore, any idea?</blockquote>

Hahah! Now that's an interesting topic! I guess it should cost around 35-40 SD. A 500ml bottle of beer should cost around 7-8 SD.
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no word on scholarships at all.

anyone?

no word on scholarships at all.

anyone?
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Navi

Has anyone received words on scholarships, etc.?


Not yet sadly!
I'd asked the same a day before too. Let's hope we hear within the two week period.

Cheers!

<blockquote>Has anyone received words on scholarships, etc.? </blockquote>

Not yet sadly!
I'd asked the same a day before too. Let's hope we hear within the two week period.

Cheers!
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Amu

A can of local beer cost about 7 SGD at the local stores like fairprice. Drinking outside is much more expensive unless you go at happy hours . :)

A can of local beer cost about 7 SGD at the local stores like fairprice. Drinking outside is much more expensive unless you go at happy hours . :)
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I think it is going to be a dry year in Singapore for me.

I think it is going to be a dry year in Singapore for me.
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kapps

@LawyerwidtLAW ...dont be disheartened friend. there are options for beer at subsidized rates. Just wait till we all meet up..Cheers!!!

@LawyerwidtLAW ...dont be disheartened friend. there are options for beer at subsidized rates. Just wait till we all meet up..Cheers!!!
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kapps

@Navi /vicescapade ..no news yet about the scholarships. With my deadline of 2 wks going to end tommorow, i think its gonna be a tough nut. Going by the posts in the group its quite surprising that none of us have actually managed to grab one. What i could garner from this group is that we do have a blend of freshers with good academic track record apart from the guys who have sufficient domain experience legal/paralegal or otherwise. Yet the criteria for scholarships is in fact puzzling.

Come whatever, I have decided to head to NUS considering the various other positives in spite of the above. What about the others ????

@Navi /vicescapade ..no news yet about the scholarships. With my deadline of 2 wks going to end tommorow, i think its gonna be a tough nut. Going by the posts in the group its quite surprising that none of us have actually managed to grab one. What i could garner from this group is that we do have a blend of freshers with good academic track record apart from the guys who have sufficient domain experience legal/paralegal or otherwise. Yet the criteria for scholarships is in fact puzzling.

Come whatever, I have decided to head to NUS considering the various other positives in spite of the above. What about the others ????
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