Top Tier US University VS London School of Economics


Dear All,

this post to find suggestions and advises on LL.M. program I should attend for 2009-2010.

At this stage, I received an offer letter from London School of Economics and Northwestern University / Kellogg and I am waiting a reply from HLS, YLS, SLS, NYU, Cornell and UC Berkeley.

Assuming that I have only LSE and NU/Kellogg offers, I will not be sure to go to the US, due to the scary tuition fee of NU/Kellogg program...Somebody knows if it is worth $62,000??? On the other hand LSE has an highest reputation, maybe greater that Northwestern University...and considering that LSE tuition is about £10,000, for 2010 - 2011 I could spend another year for an MBA.

Considering also that, I am a business lawyer (banking and finance specialist) 2PQE...already working in international law firm (top tier).


All my doubts would be dissolved if I will receive an offer by HLS, YLS (and, maybe, SLS).

I look forward to receive your suggestion and advise.

Thank you very much,

FD
Dear All,

this post to find suggestions and advises on LL.M. program I should attend for 2009-2010.

At this stage, I received an offer letter from London School of Economics and Northwestern University / Kellogg and I am waiting a reply from HLS, YLS, SLS, NYU, Cornell and UC Berkeley.

Assuming that I have only LSE and NU/Kellogg offers, I will not be sure to go to the US, due to the scary tuition fee of NU/Kellogg program...Somebody knows if it is worth $62,000??? On the other hand LSE has an highest reputation, maybe greater that Northwestern University...and considering that LSE tuition is about £10,000, for 2010 - 2011 I could spend another year for an MBA.

Considering also that, I am a business lawyer (banking and finance specialist) 2PQE...already working in international law firm (top tier).


All my doubts would be dissolved if I will receive an offer by HLS, YLS (and, maybe, SLS).

I look forward to receive your suggestion and advise.

Thank you very much,

FD
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Am in a similar position. I've gotten into LSE and Georgetown, waitlisted by Chicago, waiting to hear back from Cambridge, Cornell and NYU. If I don't get any of the rest that have applied for, have been leaning towards going to Georgetown, since my LL.B is already from the UK. But is the extra cost justified, considering that it would cost me almost twice the amount to go to Georgetown?

I do have a training contract with an MC firm waiting to start in 2011, so am not looking to try and get a job out of the LL.M...

Thoughts? Advice?
Am in a similar position. I've gotten into LSE and Georgetown, waitlisted by Chicago, waiting to hear back from Cambridge, Cornell and NYU. If I don't get any of the rest that have applied for, have been leaning towards going to Georgetown, since my LL.B is already from the UK. But is the extra cost justified, considering that it would cost me almost twice the amount to go to Georgetown?

I do have a training contract with an MC firm waiting to start in 2011, so am not looking to try and get a job out of the LL.M...

Thoughts? Advice?
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nicemanin
KLLM will certainly cost you around 75,000$, are you sure about the total expenses you have stated upto 62,000$...?

You can leave LSE for KLLM,HLS,YLS,NYU,SLS , UC Berk
but not for Cornell because you feel 62,000$ too high, although it is a good law school to leave LSE.. but after 2 yr. of PQE, you should consider law schools from USA, not from UK...
Tution fee is too high for LLM from USA , and it is only for those who really want a career in law...

No doubt, MBA is a great option after LLM from LSE, but it will be worth with good GMAT score even in UK... i am moreover having the same situation like yours, and i believe, LLM + MBA will be the best options but you should have two years to spend for this... Yes, you may consider executive MBA from UK...
KLLM will certainly cost you around 75,000$, are you sure about the total expenses you have stated upto 62,000$...?

You can leave LSE for KLLM,HLS,YLS,NYU,SLS , UC Berk
but not for Cornell because you feel 62,000$ too high, although it is a good law school to leave LSE.. but after 2 yr. of PQE, you should consider law schools from USA, not from UK...
Tution fee is too high for LLM from USA , and it is only for those who really want a career in law...

No doubt, MBA is a great option after LLM from LSE, but it will be worth with good GMAT score even in UK... i am moreover having the same situation like yours, and i believe, LLM + MBA will be the best options but you should have two years to spend for this... Yes, you may consider executive MBA from UK...
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Ruleoflaw
Depends what you are looking for. LSE has a superb reputation. I would rate it above all schools except oxbridge, HLS,YLS, SLS and CLS. So if you get in any of these schools you must go there, otherwise LSE is a great option. Also, LSE is very strong for the subjects that you want to study, it may make your MBA from LSE also easier. Best of luck!
Depends what you are looking for. LSE has a superb reputation. I would rate it above all schools except oxbridge, HLS,YLS, SLS and CLS. So if you get in any of these schools you must go there, otherwise LSE is a great option. Also, LSE is very strong for the subjects that you want to study, it may make your MBA from LSE also easier. Best of luck!
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Santa
I've also been admitted to LSE, but I choose for a top school in the US because I live in Europe and the experience for me to go the US will add more to my life I think.

- London is about two hours by train and known territory
- US law can help me more later in my life as probably corporate/financial lawyer
I've also been admitted to LSE, but I choose for a top school in the US because I live in Europe and the experience for me to go the US will add more to my life I think.

- London is about two hours by train and known territory
- US law can help me more later in my life as probably corporate/financial lawyer
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Ruleoflaw
I agree with Santa. One must know what one is looking for.
I agree with Santa. One must know what one is looking for.
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According to a friend of mine, a US lawyer (with a JD at UC Berkeley and with lectures at Cornell), LSE has a terrific reputation in US.

On the other hand, I agree with Santa and believe that for an European US universities (and America itself!) have a great great attractiveness...I mean that accademically speaking an LLM in UK (in a top tier University such as LSE and Oxbridge) is equivalent to an LLM in US (in a top tier Univerisity); the great upsize to do LLM in US is related to the fact you live one year in US (as a student), discovering US culture that, as you know, is quite different from European culture.

For an European an LL.M. in US is - first of all - an experience of live.

Having said that, if I could choice between HLS or YLS or SLS and LSE I'll go to US...but at this stage I have serious doubts to spend about 75,000 $ to award an LLM/K at Northwestern and, consequentely, I could choice London to award a specialism LLM, in banking and finance.

Any other suggestion?
According to a friend of mine, a US lawyer (with a JD at UC Berkeley and with lectures at Cornell), LSE has a terrific reputation in US.

On the other hand, I agree with Santa and believe that for an European US universities (and America itself!) have a great great attractiveness...I mean that accademically speaking an LLM in UK (in a top tier University such as LSE and Oxbridge) is equivalent to an LLM in US (in a top tier Univerisity); the great upsize to do LLM in US is related to the fact you live one year in US (as a student), discovering US culture that, as you know, is quite different from European culture.

For an European an LL.M. in US is - first of all - an experience of live.

Having said that, if I could choice between HLS or YLS or SLS and LSE I'll go to US...but at this stage I have serious doubts to spend about 75,000 $ to award an LLM/K at Northwestern and, consequentely, I could choice London to award a specialism LLM, in banking and finance.

Any other suggestion?
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koala
Francisdrake what are the prospects at the moment in banking and finance for lawyers?
Francisdrake what are the prospects at the moment in banking and finance for lawyers?
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how much is the total cost for one year LLM at LSE?

Dear All,

this post to find suggestions and advises on LL.M. program I should attend for 2009-2010.

At this stage, I received an offer letter from London School of Economics and Northwestern University / Kellogg and I am waiting a reply from HLS, YLS, SLS, NYU, Cornell and UC Berkeley.

Assuming that I have only LSE and NU/Kellogg offers, I will not be sure to go to the US, due to the scary tuition fee of NU/Kellogg program...Somebody knows if it is worth $62,000??? On the other hand LSE has an highest reputation, maybe greater that Northwestern University...and considering that LSE tuition is about £10,000, for 2010 - 2011 I could spend another year for an MBA.

Considering also that, I am a business lawyer (banking and finance specialist) 2PQE...already working in international law firm (top tier).


All my doubts would be dissolved if I will receive an offer by HLS, YLS (and, maybe, SLS).

I look forward to receive your suggestion and advise.

Thank you very much,

FD
how much is the total cost for one year LLM at LSE?

<blockquote>Dear All,

this post to find suggestions and advises on LL.M. program I should attend for 2009-2010.

At this stage, I received an offer letter from London School of Economics and Northwestern University / Kellogg and I am waiting a reply from HLS, YLS, SLS, NYU, Cornell and UC Berkeley.

Assuming that I have only LSE and NU/Kellogg offers, I will not be sure to go to the US, due to the scary tuition fee of NU/Kellogg program...Somebody knows if it is worth $62,000??? On the other hand LSE has an highest reputation, maybe greater that Northwestern University...and considering that LSE tuition is about £10,000, for 2010 - 2011 I could spend another year for an MBA.

Considering also that, I am a business lawyer (banking and finance specialist) 2PQE...already working in international law firm (top tier).


All my doubts would be dissolved if I will receive an offer by HLS, YLS (and, maybe, SLS).

I look forward to receive your suggestion and advise.

Thank you very much,

FD </blockquote>
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An LL.M. at LSE, 12 months (Sept - Sept), full time, costs about 10,000£ equal to about 11,000.
An LL.M. at LSE, 12 months (Sept - Sept), full time, costs about 10,000£ equal to about 11,000€.
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stenley
I have some problem with ranking issue as King's was ranked 9th last year at

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law

and UCL is always from last 10 years ranked better than LSE, see the data of last year..

It made me difficult to decide between KCL or UCL , but i have heard that there are also some good professors in UCL for Commercial laws...

So how to choose between KCL and UCL as i am not aware about professors at UCL , but i believe UCL modules are better than King's.

I need your suggestions as how to choose between KCL and UCL..
I have some problem with ranking issue as King's was ranked 9th last year at

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law

and UCL is always from last 10 years ranked better than LSE, see the data of last year..

It made me difficult to decide between KCL or UCL , but i have heard that there are also some good professors in UCL for Commercial laws...

So how to choose between KCL and UCL as i am not aware about professors at UCL , but i believe UCL modules are better than King's.

I need your suggestions as how to choose between KCL and UCL..
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i must get it wrong.

by cost, I mean everything adding up, including tuition, books, housing and daily expenses.

I know you now live in somewhere Europe, and expenses other than tuition is the alsome same whether you go to school or not. Just think that I'm from China...

I've heard that studying in UK is somewhat cheaper than US, but I can't believe it's such a huge difference. London in my imagination is an expensive place to live in (I haven't been there before).

An LL.M. at LSE, 12 months (Sept - Sept), full time, costs about 10,000£ equal to about 11,000.
i must get it wrong.

by cost, I mean everything adding up, including tuition, books, housing and daily expenses.

I know you now live in somewhere Europe, and expenses other than tuition is the alsome same whether you go to school or not. Just think that I'm from China...

I've heard that studying in UK is somewhat cheaper than US, but I can't believe it's such a huge difference. London in my imagination is an expensive place to live in (I haven't been there before).

<blockquote>An LL.M. at LSE, 12 months (Sept - Sept), full time, costs about 10,000£ equal to about 11,000€.</blockquote>
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I estimate such figures:

- about 80,000$ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in US (tuition fee which ranges, generally, from 39,000 $ to 42,000, housing etc.);

- about 35,000 - 40,000 £ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in UK (tuition fee of about 10,000 £, housing etc.).

With respect to the relating costs, the main difference between US LLM and UK LLM is the cost of the tuition fee. The above is due to the fact that US education system is almost totally private and the "asset education" is much expensive and elitarian; on the contrary in UK, as in the rest of European country, the education system is much more "democratic" I would say "egalitarian".
I estimate such figures:

- about 80,000$ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in US (tuition fee which ranges, generally, from 39,000 $ to 42,000, housing etc.);

- about 35,000 - 40,000 £ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in UK (tuition fee of about 10,000 £, housing etc.).

With respect to the relating costs, the main difference between US LLM and UK LLM is the cost of the tuition fee. The above is due to the fact that US education system is almost totally private and the "asset education" is much expensive and elitarian; on the contrary in UK, as in the rest of European country, the education system is much more "democratic" I would say "egalitarian".
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koala
In my experience the tuition fees vary in the UK whether you are from the EU or not. Foreign students from outside the EU had to pay twice the amount...
Also from what I know the most expensive LLMs are Oxbridge and the LSE. The other London Colleges had lower fees but do not forget to take into account the cost of living in London...outrageously high
In my experience the tuition fees vary in the UK whether you are from the EU or not. Foreign students from outside the EU had to pay twice the amount...
Also from what I know the most expensive LLMs are Oxbridge and the LSE. The other London Colleges had lower fees but do not forget to take into account the cost of living in London...outrageously high
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raji20
LSE's tuition fees for non-EU students is 13,992 pounds (if I am remembering correctly -- it's in that range, anyway). LSE doesn't give out its scholarships until much later in the process (May-July, I think) which makes planning really difficult, especially if you are going to be pursuing your LL.M. away from home and you are from neither the US, nor the EU.
LSE's tuition fees for non-EU students is 13,992 pounds (if I am remembering correctly -- it's in that range, anyway). LSE doesn't give out its scholarships until much later in the process (May-July, I think) which makes planning really difficult, especially if you are going to be pursuing your LL.M. away from home and you are from neither the US, nor the EU.
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is your UK estimate applicable to non-EU students? It's known that many fees are higher for non-EU students...

but still a huge difference from your estimates...

I estimate such figures:

- about 80,000$ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in US (tuition fee which ranges, generally, from 39,000 $ to 42,000, housing etc.);

- about 35,000 - 40,000 £ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in UK (tuition fee of about 10,000 £, housing etc.).

With respect to the relating costs, the main difference between US LLM and UK LLM is the cost of the tuition fee. The above is due to the fact that US education system is almost totally private and the "asset education" is much expensive and elitarian; on the contrary in UK, as in the rest of European country, the education system is much more "democratic" I would say "egalitarian".
is your UK estimate applicable to non-EU students? It's known that many fees are higher for non-EU students...

but still a huge difference from your estimates...

<blockquote>I estimate such figures:

- about 80,000$ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in US (tuition fee which ranges, generally, from 39,000 $ to 42,000, housing etc.);

- about 35,000 - 40,000 £ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in UK (tuition fee of about 10,000 £, housing etc.).

With respect to the relating costs, the main difference between US LLM and UK LLM is the cost of the tuition fee. The above is due to the fact that US education system is almost totally private and the "asset education" is much expensive and elitarian; on the contrary in UK, as in the rest of European country, the education system is much more "democratic" I would say "egalitarian".
</blockquote>
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Santa
I estimate such figures:

- about 80,000$ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in US (tuition fee which ranges, generally, from 39,000 $ to 42,000, housing etc.);

- about 35,000 - 40,000 £ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in UK (tuition fee of about 10,000 £, housing etc.).

With respect to the relating costs, the main difference between US LLM and UK LLM is the cost of the tuition fee. The above is due to the fact that US education system is almost totally private and the "asset education" is much expensive and elitarian; on the contrary in UK, as in the rest of European country, the education system is much more "democratic" I would say "egalitarian".

70.000$ all-in for US LLM is possible if you're not in Chicago or NY.

25.000£ (=) is possible all-in in the top schools, maybe a bit more for London. Certainly not 35.000£.
<blockquote>I estimate such figures:

- about 80,000$ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in US (tuition fee which ranges, generally, from 39,000 $ to 42,000, housing etc.);

- about 35,000 - 40,000 £ to cover all costs and expenses related to LLM in UK (tuition fee of about 10,000 £, housing etc.).

With respect to the relating costs, the main difference between US LLM and UK LLM is the cost of the tuition fee. The above is due to the fact that US education system is almost totally private and the "asset education" is much expensive and elitarian; on the contrary in UK, as in the rest of European country, the education system is much more "democratic" I would say "egalitarian".
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70.000$ all-in for US LLM is possible if you're not in Chicago or NY.

25.000£ (=€) is possible all-in in the top schools, maybe a bit more for London. Certainly not 35.000£.
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c-j-h
UK law firms LOVE american llms from universities they recognise. i cant afford to go to US for a year but id certainly love to.
UK law firms LOVE american llms from universities they recognise. i cant afford to go to US for a year but id certainly love to.
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Russ
I have some problem with ranking issue as King's was ranked 9th last year at

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law


This information is outdated. King's is ranked 4th in 2009: http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law
<blockquote>I have some problem with ranking issue as King's was ranked 9th last year at

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law</blockquote>

This information is outdated. King's is ranked 4th in 2009: http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law
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koala
King's is a great law school and perfectly located but focus on the Professors. For instance one of KCL's strengths is banking and EU law.
King's is a great law school and perfectly located but focus on the Professors. For instance one of KCL's strengths is banking and EU law.
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