Aberdeen University vs. KCL vs. City


Legal_Indi...

frnds, I am really excited...!
i received an Unconditional offer from Aberdeen University
However, now i am very confused between Aberdeen and KCL and City University?

Need urgent reply to this....anyone with any views

frnds, I am really excited...!
i received an Unconditional offer from Aberdeen University
However, now i am very confused between Aberdeen and KCL and City University?

Need urgent reply to this....anyone with any views
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Llisbon

i do not think you can compare KCL to City or Aberdeen!

i do not think you can compare KCL to City or Aberdeen!
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beicon

Hi.

I would go to KCL or Aberdeen if I were you. I am intending to apply to a LLM for 2010/2011 and Aberdeen and KCL are in my list. They are international reputable universities. Can't go wrong with neither one of them. However, you have to take into account that KCL is located in London, which can be a good or a bad thing. It is too expensive and crowded, but it is near most law firms and all. Aberdeen is located at a relatively small city, but it is not near the law firms. Although you may have a chance to find some work afterwards in an oil and gas company.

Regards,

Hi.

I would go to KCL or Aberdeen if I were you. I am intending to apply to a LLM for 2010/2011 and Aberdeen and KCL are in my list. They are international reputable universities. Can't go wrong with neither one of them. However, you have to take into account that KCL is located in London, which can be a good or a bad thing. It is too expensive and crowded, but it is near most law firms and all. Aberdeen is located at a relatively small city, but it is not near the law firms. Although you may have a chance to find some work afterwards in an oil and gas company.

Regards,
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Legal_Indi...

I have applied for Commercial Law programmes:

What about between Aberdeen vs. City University ??

I have unconditional offer from City and Aberdeen.
For others i am expecting an unconditional because their ranking is much much below Aberdeen and the entry standards are lower han Abderdeen!

Anyways Aberdeen, QMUL or City University ?

I have applied for Commercial Law programmes:

What about between Aberdeen vs. City University ??

I have unconditional offer from City and Aberdeen.
For others i am expecting an unconditional because their ranking is much much below Aberdeen and the entry standards are lower han Abderdeen!

Anyways Aberdeen, QMUL or City University ?
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beicon

Hi Legal_India.

QML is also a very good university, at least from the perspective of a latin america country (but I think KCL is better). I think we can apply to your case the same facts as to my other post. Both QML and Aberdeen are great unis. Can't go wrong. But you have to choose whether you would like to live in London or Aberdeen. I personally think I would prefer living in Aberdeen. I already live at a big city and I would like at least some peace during my LLM.

With regard to Commercial Law programmes, I think they are fairly the same. Maybe a little advantage for QML, because it is based in London. But nothing much.

Good luck.

Regards

Hi Legal_India.

QML is also a very good university, at least from the perspective of a latin america country (but I think KCL is better). I think we can apply to your case the same facts as to my other post. Both QML and Aberdeen are great unis. Can't go wrong. But you have to choose whether you would like to live in London or Aberdeen. I personally think I would prefer living in Aberdeen. I already live at a big city and I would like at least some peace during my LLM.

With regard to Commercial Law programmes, I think they are fairly the same. Maybe a little advantage for QML, because it is based in London. But nothing much.

Good luck.

Regards
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Legal_Indi...

But now the question comes: SRA or Lawsociety

if i study in england I can appear for the Solicitors exam governed by SRA....which has a very high reputation overseas (especially in India)....
Whereas If i study in Scotland (Aberdeen)...i can practice as a lawyer under the Law Society of Scotland....! (not so well recognised in india)...!

So....i am still tilting towards London Universities

But now the question comes: SRA or Lawsociety

if i study in england I can appear for the Solicitors exam governed by SRA....which has a very high reputation overseas (especially in India)....
Whereas If i study in Scotland (Aberdeen)...i can practice as a lawyer under the Law Society of Scotland....! (not so well recognised in india)...!

So....i am still tilting towards London Universities
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gizzajob

Are you sure about this? I'm fairly certain that in any event you would have to take a conversion course (the GDL for English law) followed by the LPC to sit the professional exams. The LL.M in commercial law is not a qualifying degree. Out of the Unis you list, if you can afford it, KCL is the best. QMUL has a stellar reputation for commercial law, but KCL is a better regarded university. The reputation for research is more relevant at PhD or DPhil level.

Are you sure about this? I'm fairly certain that in any event you would have to take a conversion course (the GDL for English law) followed by the LPC to sit the professional exams. The LL.M in commercial law is not a qualifying degree. Out of the Unis you list, if you can afford it, KCL is the best. QMUL has a stellar reputation for commercial law, but KCL is a better regarded university. The reputation for research is more relevant at PhD or DPhil level.
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Kerfuffle

I agree with the above. KCL is better for the LLM, but QMUL is better known for commerical law (it has a dedicated commercial law centre).

Ultimately, KCL, UCL, LSE and QMUL are better than any other universities in the UK (excluding Oxbridge), because they have very high reputations when it comes to the LLM and offer very specialised courses (rather than generic and lack of cutting-edge courses offered elsewhere).

With respect to practising in the UK, if you are not a practising lawyer in India, you'll need to do the GDL and LPC (two years), before you can get into a law firm. You then also have to consider that there are very few law jobs in the UK at the moment, and if your reason for investing in an LLM is to pursue a UK law career, you should think hard about whether you'll have realistic chances of employment - an awful lots of lawyers are being made redundant and law graduates are not getting work.

I agree with the above. KCL is better for the LLM, but QMUL is better known for commerical law (it has a dedicated commercial law centre).

Ultimately, KCL, UCL, LSE and QMUL are better than any other universities in the UK (excluding Oxbridge), because they have very high reputations when it comes to the LLM and offer very specialised courses (rather than generic and lack of cutting-edge courses offered elsewhere).

With respect to practising in the UK, if you are not a practising lawyer in India, you'll need to do the GDL and LPC (two years), before you can get into a law firm. You then also have to consider that there are very few law jobs in the UK at the moment, and if your reason for investing in an LLM is to pursue a UK law career, you should think hard about whether you'll have realistic chances of employment - an awful lots of lawyers are being made redundant and law graduates are not getting work.

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beicon

I am not too sure if it is that simply to practice law in the UK after you get a LLM degree. I am quite positive that whether it be in England, Wales or Scotland, you will be required to take further studies (a LPC in England and a DLP in Scotland).

You may have the chance to get a position of foreign associate in some English or Scottish law firm. That will not require you to actually be able to practice law under English or Scots law. But that will depend too much on your contacts, on the economic situation - which is not at its best may I say so - and if you have a solid work experience background.

Regards,

I am not too sure if it is that simply to practice law in the UK after you get a LLM degree. I am quite positive that whether it be in England, Wales or Scotland, you will be required to take further studies (a LPC in England and a DLP in Scotland).

You may have the chance to get a position of foreign associate in some English or Scottish law firm. That will not require you to actually be able to practice law under English or Scots law. But that will depend too much on your contacts, on the economic situation - which is not at its best may I say so - and if you have a solid work experience background.

Regards,
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Legal_Indi...

well, I am going to be a qualified lawyer in my country in July end.....

Commercial law is something which I am interested in...!! But at the end of the day I want to go into litigation.

So do i still need to take the Conversion courses..liike LPC GDL DLP...I don't think so...

I am not saying LLM gives me a qualifying degree to practise in UK...! But I can be qualified as a solicitor in England by appearing for the SRA exams...! I dunno how to be a solicitor in scotland..!

But I believe i need a certificate of eligibility from SRA before appearing for the exams. and I think my LLM will not be the main aspect but It will surely add up as an advantage to obtain the certificate of eligibility.

well, I am going to be a qualified lawyer in my country in July end.....

Commercial law is something which I am interested in...!! But at the end of the day I want to go into litigation.

So do i still need to take the Conversion courses..liike LPC GDL DLP...I don't think so...

I am not saying LLM gives me a qualifying degree to practise in UK...! But I can be qualified as a solicitor in England by appearing for the SRA exams...! I dunno how to be a solicitor in scotland..!

But I believe i need a certificate of eligibility from SRA before appearing for the exams. and I think my LLM will not be the main aspect but It will surely add up as an advantage to obtain the certificate of eligibility.

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Kerfuffle

If you have the correct work exp. then you should be able to go ahead with the QLTT, and not have to take the LPC or GDL.

If you have the correct work exp. then you should be able to go ahead with the QLTT, and not have to take the LPC or GDL.
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Legal_Indi...

Yes I know I require the necessary 2 years work experience after being qualified as a lawyer...!
But that is ok...i the mean time I can get enrolled as a paralegal in law firm in England or Scotland...!!

My question is whether it makes any difference to the Law firms in London if I have done my LLM in Commercial (or International Commercial) Law from Scotland's University ???

If it makes NO difference then I would rather go for Aberdeen and then apply to a London based Law firm as paralegal....and after 2 years appear for the QLTT exams...!

Yes I know I require the necessary 2 years work experience after being qualified as a lawyer...!
But that is ok...i the mean time I can get enrolled as a paralegal in law firm in England or Scotland...!!

My question is whether it makes any difference to the Law firms in London if I have done my LLM in Commercial (or International Commercial) Law from Scotland's University ???

If it makes NO difference then I would rather go for Aberdeen and then apply to a London based Law firm as paralegal....and after 2 years appear for the QLTT exams...!
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Kerfuffle

Okay, it's a bit difficult to follow your posts (no offense intended, but you need to work on your English writing skills if you intend to be an English solicitor and/or pass LLM exams).

On the subject of being a paralegal, yes it is possible that you could work as a paralegal, but most paralegals have the BVC or LPC.

On the subject of a Scottish LLM and recruitment, a London law firm certainly won't discriminate against a Scottish LLM, but I think ultimately most would prefer the UoL LLM; their main interest will be your prior experience and other degree(s), and language skills.

Okay, it's a bit difficult to follow your posts (no offense intended, but you need to work on your English writing skills if you intend to be an English solicitor and/or pass LLM exams).

On the subject of being a paralegal, yes it is possible that you could work as a paralegal, but most paralegals have the BVC or LPC.

On the subject of a Scottish LLM and recruitment, a London law firm certainly won't discriminate against a Scottish LLM, but I think ultimately most would prefer the UoL LLM; their main interest will be your prior experience and other degree(s), and language skills.
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Legal_Indi...

yes! Sometimes even i find it quite difficult to follow my posts. But that it because I have minor problem of a kind of Dyslexia (I think faster than I write or type) So i eat up words in between. My parents thought it is a major problem, so they never made any reports or disclosed it to my school authorities. So offically I am not Dyslexic.

Coming to my english i scored 114 in iBT and 8 in IELTS....lol..you want me to send you scanned copy of my results...!

And talking about LLM programmes....I have already completed one LLM in Computer Laws in UK. This is my second LLM programme i am intending to take. lol..!!



But no offence....i know it is difficult to follow my message sometimes. I will make sure I read once again before I post it.

yes! Sometimes even i find it quite difficult to follow my posts. But that it because I have minor problem of a kind of Dyslexia (I think faster than I write or type) So i eat up words in between. My parents thought it is a major problem, so they never made any reports or disclosed it to my school authorities. So offically I am not Dyslexic.

Coming to my english i scored 114 in iBT and 8 in IELTS....lol..you want me to send you scanned copy of my results...!

And talking about LLM programmes....I have already completed one LLM in Computer Laws in UK. This is my second LLM programme i am intending to take. lol..!!



But no offence....i know it is difficult to follow my message sometimes. I will make sure I read once again before I post it.
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beicon

If you already have a LLM degree from a UK university (is it a English uni?), I would go to Aberdeen for sure.

If you already have a LLM degree from a UK university (is it a English uni?), I would go to Aberdeen for sure.
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Legal_Indi...

If you already have a LLM degree from a UK university (is it a English uni?), I would go to Aberdeen for sure.


Nah....its a scottish University...

<blockquote>If you already have a LLM degree from a UK university (is it a English uni?), I would go to Aberdeen for sure.</blockquote>

Nah....its a scottish University...
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beicon

Well then it would be a better idea to go to London (mainly KCL)... I don' know much about City uni...

Well then it would be a better idea to go to London (mainly KCL)... I don' know much about City uni...
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Legal_Indi...

Well then it would be a better idea to go to London (mainly KCL)... I don' know much about City uni...


Well I understand that...But my really problem right now does not remain KCL vs. Aberdeen..!!

But it has narrowed down to City University Vs. Aberdeen University...!
Considering the above discussions what would you recommend City University (ranked 30th) vs. Aberdeen (ranked 6th)....but Citty University is in London + England....whereas Aberdeen is in Scotland...???

Now what to do ?

<blockquote>Well then it would be a better idea to go to London (mainly KCL)... I don' know much about City uni...</blockquote>

Well I understand that...But my really problem right now does not remain KCL vs. Aberdeen..!!

But it has narrowed down to City University Vs. Aberdeen University...!
Considering the above discussions what would you recommend City University (ranked 30th) vs. Aberdeen (ranked 6th)....but Citty University is in London + England....whereas Aberdeen is in Scotland...???

Now what to do ?
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beicon

To be honest with you, I have never heard of City University. It is not popular at all in my country. I have to admit that Aberdeen is not one of the most popular universities either in my country, but I think it has a better world wide reputation when compared to City. That's my opinion... even when you take into account that Aberdeen is in Scotland and City is in London. If I had to choose between City and Aberdeen, I would vote for Aberdeen. Like I said before (maybe not here but in some other post), Aberdeen is on my application list... while City isn't. Once again, that's my opinion.

To be honest with you, I have never heard of City University. It is not popular at all in my country. I have to admit that Aberdeen is not one of the most popular universities either in my country, but I think it has a better world wide reputation when compared to City. That's my opinion... even when you take into account that Aberdeen is in Scotland and City is in London. If I had to choose between City and Aberdeen, I would vote for Aberdeen. Like I said before (maybe not here but in some other post), Aberdeen is on my application list... while City isn't. Once again, that's my opinion.
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Kerfuffle

Beicon, you're opinion is right.

But I cannot understand why the opening poster has now excluded KCL and QMUL in favour of City and Aberdeen? The best two are being thrown out of the mix.

KCL and QMUL are leaps and bounds ahead of City and Aberdeen for the LLM, and Aberdeen is leaps and bounds ahead of City.

I'm afraid City has very little reputation both domestically and internationally, and I would only recommend choosing it if they offer a specialism that cannot be attained at a better college. If you want to go to London, go to a University of London college.

Quit taking notice of rankings!!! They go up and down every year and they have very little bearing on the quality of a postgraduate taught degree. Some things always remain stable with respect to LLM reputation i.e. Oxbridge at top, followed by UoL colleges (KCL, LSE, QMUL and UCL), then other Russell Group uni's, and then everyone else.

Beicon, you're opinion is right.

But I cannot understand why the opening poster has now excluded KCL and QMUL in favour of City and Aberdeen? The best two are being thrown out of the mix.

KCL and QMUL are leaps and bounds ahead of City and Aberdeen for the LLM, and Aberdeen is leaps and bounds ahead of City.

I'm afraid City has very little reputation both domestically and internationally, and I would only recommend choosing it if they offer a specialism that cannot be attained at a better college. If you want to go to London, go to a University of London college.

Quit taking notice of rankings!!! They go up and down every year and they have very little bearing on the quality of a postgraduate taught degree. Some things always remain stable with respect to LLM reputation i.e. Oxbridge at top, followed by UoL colleges (KCL, LSE, QMUL and UCL), then other Russell Group uni's, and then everyone else.
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