GULC National Security Law (NSL)


sggunase
GULC has announced a new LLM in NSL, previously they only had a general LLM with a certificate in NSL.

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/graduate/NationalSecurityLawLL.M.andJ.D.LL.M..htm

I am currently applying and I was wonder if anyone has any information about the GULC admissions process. I recently graduated cum laude from a T3 law school with no law review experience. I have, however, published two articles (Journal of Space Law and the Public Contract Law Journal), won a national ABA writing contest, and I have a masters in natural resource policy.

Do I have a good shot at getting in?
GULC has announced a new LLM in NSL, previously they only had a general LLM with a certificate in NSL.

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/graduate/NationalSecurityLawLL.M.andJ.D.LL.M..htm

I am currently applying and I was wonder if anyone has any information about the GULC admissions process. I recently graduated cum laude from a T3 law school with no law review experience. I have, however, published two articles (Journal of Space Law and the Public Contract Law Journal), won a national ABA writing contest, and I have a masters in natural resource policy.

Do I have a good shot at getting in?
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JenniferM
Hi. I also applied to the new National Security Law LLM. I am a 3L, top 15%, also with no law review experience. On Georgetown's website, it says admitted students are generally in the top third of their classes and have a 3.2 or higher. It sounds like the most important factors are grades and class ranks. Also, it does not look like many people applied to the program (unless just not many use this website!), so I think that should increase our chances. Anyway, I wish I knew more about the admissions process!! I also applied to a similar program at George Washington.
Let me know what you receive a decision or if you have any new info on the admissions process!
Hi. I also applied to the new National Security Law LLM. I am a 3L, top 15%, also with no law review experience. On Georgetown's website, it says admitted students are generally in the top third of their classes and have a 3.2 or higher. It sounds like the most important factors are grades and class ranks. Also, it does not look like many people applied to the program (unless just not many use this website!), so I think that should increase our chances. Anyway, I wish I knew more about the admissions process!! I also applied to a similar program at George Washington.
Let me know what you receive a decision or if you have any new info on the admissions process!
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wildhawk
Me three. I am a recent graduate from a T2, but barely in the tops 50% of my class. No law review or journal experience, but a lot of internship experience and exhibited interest (ILS President, study abroad participant, independent research in national security law). Given that it's a brand new program, and the fact that it sounds like we all applied "early action," I think we all have at least a shot. Granted your numbers are much better than mine, but I've heard that since LLM admissions criteria are much more relaxed generally since that data isn't reported for rankings purposes-It gives schools the actual ability to look at the "whole person" concept.

I also applied to the GWU program. The admissions representative told me that last year 24 applied and 16 or so got in; those are pretty good numbers so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Good luck all, I know the early action letters for GTown are supposed to go out Feb. 1.
Me three. I am a recent graduate from a T2, but barely in the tops 50% of my class. No law review or journal experience, but a lot of internship experience and exhibited interest (ILS President, study abroad participant, independent research in national security law). Given that it's a brand new program, and the fact that it sounds like we all applied "early action," I think we all have at least a shot. Granted your numbers are much better than mine, but I've heard that since LLM admissions criteria are much more relaxed generally since that data isn't reported for rankings purposes-It gives schools the actual ability to look at the "whole person" concept.

I also applied to the GWU program. The admissions representative told me that last year 24 applied and 16 or so got in; those are pretty good numbers so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Good luck all, I know the early action letters for GTown are supposed to go out Feb. 1.
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sggunase
Hey All,

Since this post I have had a couple of email exchanges with the Georgetown Admissions people and the Deputy Director (Nadia Asancheyev) of the National Security Law Center. According admissions they intend to enroll 20-24 students for the program, while the deputy director had a smaller figure of 15-20 students (similar numbers to GWU). With that said, I have no idea exactly how many people will actually apply to the program.

I too was interested in the GWU program, but according to their website you have to finish the LLM within 2 years. I work for the DoD (doing some national security law, energy policy, and government contacts) and my agency will be paying for most of my tuition. Working full-time and doing an LLM part-time I think it would be tough to finish in 2 years. Since Georgetown gives you 3 years to finish, I thought it would be a better fit for me so I only applied there. Also the Gtown program seems to be structured in a more scholarly fashion than most LLMs, with seminars and the flexibility of a PhD programs (allowing candidates to take courses at the main campus and SFS).

I submit all my application materials before Jan.5th, but online it says completed Jan. 12th...so I don't think my application will be considered early action. Wildhawk, please let us know when you hear something.

Best of luck.
Hey All,

Since this post I have had a couple of email exchanges with the Georgetown Admissions people and the Deputy Director (Nadia Asancheyev) of the National Security Law Center. According admissions they intend to enroll 20-24 students for the program, while the deputy director had a smaller figure of 15-20 students (similar numbers to GWU). With that said, I have no idea exactly how many people will actually apply to the program.

I too was interested in the GWU program, but according to their website you have to finish the LLM within 2 years. I work for the DoD (doing some national security law, energy policy, and government contacts) and my agency will be paying for most of my tuition. Working full-time and doing an LLM part-time I think it would be tough to finish in 2 years. Since Georgetown gives you 3 years to finish, I thought it would be a better fit for me so I only applied there. Also the Gtown program seems to be structured in a more scholarly fashion than most LLMs, with seminars and the flexibility of a PhD programs (allowing candidates to take courses at the main campus and SFS).

I submit all my application materials before Jan.5th, but online it says completed Jan. 12th...so I don't think my application will be considered early action. Wildhawk, please let us know when you hear something.

Best of luck.
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sggunase
If you got your applications in by Jan. 7, I think decisions go out today.
If you got your applications in by Jan. 7, I think decisions go out today.
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wildhawk
I got a waitlist email from gtown today. :(

Good luck to everyone else.
I got a waitlist email from gtown today. :(

Good luck to everyone else.
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JenniferM
I got wait listed as well!
I got wait listed as well!
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wildhawk
Accepted to Gdub.
Accepted to Gdub.
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nshutchi
I was excited to see that there was a thread about the National Security Law LL.M. programs. I was accepted to the GULC program, and am still waiting to hear from GW.
I was excited to see that there was a thread about the National Security Law LL.M. programs. I was accepted to the GULC program, and am still waiting to hear from GW.
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fordson05
Hey I was wondering if you can give me advice on the application process to the GW National Security Law.

How did you write your personal statement? Did you discuss your previous history, or was it all forward looking (i.e., what you plan to do after graduation or while an LLM student)?

How important are grades do you think at GW in the grand scheme of things and class rank and school reputation?
Hey I was wondering if you can give me advice on the application process to the GW National Security Law.

How did you write your personal statement? Did you discuss your previous history, or was it all forward looking (i.e., what you plan to do after graduation or while an LLM student)?

How important are grades do you think at GW in the grand scheme of things and class rank and school reputation?
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nshutchi
My personal statement looked at both my past experiences and how the LL.M. would further my future career goals/why I wanted to get an LL.M. I do not really know how much class rank and school reputation affect their decisions, but I would suggest looking at the application tracker and seeing what stats the admitted students have. I do not know if I represent GW's typical admitted student, but to give you one indicator, I was accepted and I am in the top 5% of my class at a law school that has a good reputation on the border of tier 1 and tier 2. Good luck with your application!
My personal statement looked at both my past experiences and how the LL.M. would further my future career goals/why I wanted to get an LL.M. I do not really know how much class rank and school reputation affect their decisions, but I would suggest looking at the application tracker and seeing what stats the admitted students have. I do not know if I represent GW's typical admitted student, but to give you one indicator, I was accepted and I am in the top 5% of my class at a law school that has a good reputation on the border of tier 1 and tier 2. Good luck with your application!
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mmial
Hi,

I applied in April but haven't received the decision. I was wondering about how long they take to send the decision. In addition, whether the decision is send by email or regular mail. Thanks.
Hi,

I applied in April but haven't received the decision. I was wondering about how long they take to send the decision. In addition, whether the decision is send by email or regular mail. Thanks.
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nshutchi
I heard in less than a month, but I applied early decision so I am not sure if it is the same for regular decision. They send the initial acceptance letter by email and then you should receive a hard copy in the mail a few days later. Good luck!
I heard in less than a month, but I applied early decision so I am not sure if it is the same for regular decision. They send the initial acceptance letter by email and then you should receive a hard copy in the mail a few days later. Good luck!
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mmial
Thank you for your reply.

I applied almost at the end of April to GULC. I also applied to GWU at the same time. I guess I have no other option but wait.
Thank you for your reply.

I applied almost at the end of April to GULC. I also applied to GWU at the same time. I guess I have no other option but wait.
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fordson05
Who has been admitted into GULC National Security Law LLM Program?

If admitted, where is one planning to live? On campus?

My application was submitted last month, and I am still waiting to hear back from G'Town? Any idea how long they might take? Thanks.

Also, can someone advise whether one would consider GW over G'town's National Security Law LLM?
Who has been admitted into GULC National Security Law LLM Program?

If admitted, where is one planning to live? On campus?

My application was submitted last month, and I am still waiting to hear back from G'Town? Any idea how long they might take? Thanks.

Also, can someone advise whether one would consider GW over G'town's National Security Law LLM?
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GW and G'Town are mentioned here. Where can I find a list of all National Security Law LLM programs? Perhaps a ranking? I'm guessing there aren't many. This is pretty much the only area of law that interests me and I'd jump at a chance to go deeper. Anyone?
GW and G'Town are mentioned here. Where can I find a list of all National Security Law LLM programs? Perhaps a ranking? I'm guessing there aren't many. This is pretty much the only area of law that interests me and I'd jump at a chance to go deeper. Anyone?
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nshutchi
I am pretty sure GW and Georgetown's programs are the only National Security Law LLM programs. Those were the only two I found when I was researching schools that had an LL.M. program specifically in that field. Also, because there are so few programs I do not think there is an official rankings available for them. I visited both schools, and did a lot of research about both programs, so if you want to know anything else about either of them let me know. Ultimately, I chose to go to Georgetown.
I am pretty sure GW and Georgetown's programs are the only National Security Law LLM programs. Those were the only two I found when I was researching schools that had an LL.M. program specifically in that field. Also, because there are so few programs I do not think there is an official rankings available for them. I visited both schools, and did a lot of research about both programs, so if you want to know anything else about either of them let me know. Ultimately, I chose to go to Georgetown.
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Thanks. That's good info. I would like to pick your brain since you've done the research and are, presumably, already in one of the programs.

Why did you decide on a NSL LLM program, in general?
Why did you choose GT over GW?
How do the programs differ? Strengths/weaknesses?
Why do most ppl pursue a NSL LLM?
What are graduates doing immediately after graduation?

Any of this or related info would be great, answered either here or to me directly at anyperson1234@gmail.com.

I attended ABA's 20th Annual Review of the Field of National Security Law which was held in DC back in October of last year and plan to attend this year's conference being held in Dec. That's the conversation I want to be in. Sounds like a NSL LL.M may be a way to get there.
Thanks. That's good info. I would like to pick your brain since you've done the research and are, presumably, already in one of the programs.

Why did you decide on a NSL LLM program, in general?
Why did you choose GT over GW?
How do the programs differ? Strengths/weaknesses?
Why do most ppl pursue a NSL LLM?
What are graduates doing immediately after graduation?

Any of this or related info would be great, answered either here or to me directly at anyperson1234@gmail.com.

I attended ABA's 20th Annual Review of the Field of National Security Law which was held in DC back in October of last year and plan to attend this year's conference being held in Dec. That's the conversation I want to be in. Sounds like a NSL LL.M may be a way to get there.
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KJP
Anyone applying for admission or already got admitted to GULC NSL for Fall 2014?
Anyone applying for admission or already got admitted to GULC NSL for Fall 2014?
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Mittelweg
I'd appreciate any of you guys sharing your experience taking up this specific LLM programme. You may also PM me, thanks.
I'd appreciate any of you guys sharing your experience taking up this specific LLM programme. You may also PM me, thanks.
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