Manchester International Business Law


pratish

Hi, I have just received an offer from Manchester for their IBL program. Can anyone tell me how is the reputation of the university in LLM. I am awaiting reply from Durham, KCL, UCL, QM, SOAS, Bristol, and Edinburgh. How would u rate Manchester as compared to the others mentioned especially for Commercial/Business Law.

Hi, I have just received an offer from Manchester for their IBL program. Can anyone tell me how is the reputation of the university in LLM. I am awaiting reply from Durham, KCL, UCL, QM, SOAS, Bristol, and Edinburgh. How would u rate Manchester as compared to the others mentioned especially for Commercial/Business Law.
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prashbez

Hi Pratish

I also received an email confirmation of an offer for the same course. Waiting for the hard copy confirmation to reach me.

I'm from Delhi, India.

Still trying to see how to finance the studies. :))

I've heard good things about Manchester Univ and some of the Magic Circle firms also go there for recruitment. At least that's what one of the HR persons in one of the law firms in UK told me.

Cheers
Prashant

Hi Pratish

I also received an email confirmation of an offer for the same course. Waiting for the hard copy confirmation to reach me.

I'm from Delhi, India.

Still trying to see how to finance the studies. :))

I've heard good things about Manchester Univ and some of the Magic Circle firms also go there for recruitment. At least that's what one of the HR persons in one of the law firms in UK told me.

Cheers
Prashant
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I'd rate Manchester below all the other unis you have mentioned. They have no specific specialisation in international business law in terms of a commercial law centre/research group, and the choice of LLM subjects is very poor compared to London. They also have a huge bank of graduate teaching assistants etc. so beware that you may not always be taught by the real deal.

I'd rate Manchester below all the other unis you have mentioned. They have no specific specialisation in international business law in terms of a commercial law centre/research group, and the choice of LLM subjects is very poor compared to London. They also have a huge bank of graduate teaching assistants etc. so beware that you may not always be taught by the real deal.
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pratish

Hi Pratish

I also received an email confirmation of an offer for the same course. Waiting for the hard copy confirmation to reach me.

I'm from Delhi, India.

Still trying to see how to finance the studies. :))

I've heard good things about Manchester Univ and some of the Magic Circle firms also go there for recruitment. At least that's what one of the HR persons in one of the law firms in UK told me.

Cheers
Prashant


Hi Prashant,

I am from Mumbai and just finishing my last year Law. When I applied, Manchester was the first one reply back and I had posted this at that time. Since then I have received offers from KCL, Durham, QMUL and I awaiting an offer from UCL. My preference will be like UCL, KCL, QMUL(Being a UoL College is an advantage), Durham, Bristol/Nottingham/Manchester/Edinburgh.

Since the Manchester offer I have done some more research by posting some more queries on the forum and have found out that other universities I have mentioned are better than Manchester. Can you tell me that the HR person you are in touch with, what is his opinion of these Universities?

<blockquote>Hi Pratish

I also received an email confirmation of an offer for the same course. Waiting for the hard copy confirmation to reach me.

I'm from Delhi, India.

Still trying to see how to finance the studies. :))

I've heard good things about Manchester Univ and some of the Magic Circle firms also go there for recruitment. At least that's what one of the HR persons in one of the law firms in UK told me.

Cheers
Prashant</blockquote>

Hi Prashant,

I am from Mumbai and just finishing my last year Law. When I applied, Manchester was the first one reply back and I had posted this at that time. Since then I have received offers from KCL, Durham, QMUL and I awaiting an offer from UCL. My preference will be like UCL, KCL, QMUL(Being a UoL College is an advantage), Durham, Bristol/Nottingham/Manchester/Edinburgh.

Since the Manchester offer I have done some more research by posting some more queries on the forum and have found out that other universities I have mentioned are better than Manchester. Can you tell me that the HR person you are in touch with, what is his opinion of these Universities?
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MC firms do recruit from Manchester, but this will be for someone who did their LLB there, not necessarily someone who did their LLM at Manchester.

Most MC firms will recruit from the vast majority of Russell Group universities.

MC firms do recruit from Manchester, but this will be for someone who did their LLB there, not necessarily someone who did their LLM at Manchester.

Most MC firms will recruit from the vast majority of Russell Group universities.
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Vincenzo

as said before, big firms recruit for their training contract from all around the uk, provided it's a "red brick" uni.
majority of firms have presentations in manchester and then they also invite pg students to specific fairs, according to their needs.
in terms of teaching, gtas only teach to undergraduates, while master students are taught by profs or senior lecturers mostly. in terms of specialisation you can say that there's a strong tradition within corporate and commercial law, with many people researching and lecturing in the area. i'm doing a phd in the field and apart from my supervisor there would be a handful of people who could supervise me in the area of corporate and financial law.
have a look at the staff page yourself.

as for london, i'm not sure there's still something like inter-collegiate degree, so qmul won't be uni of london degree!
when i applied for my llm i sent applications to 8 univs, none of them was from london.

as said before, big firms recruit for their training contract from all around the uk, provided it's a "red brick" uni.
majority of firms have presentations in manchester and then they also invite pg students to specific fairs, according to their needs.
in terms of teaching, gtas only teach to undergraduates, while master students are taught by profs or senior lecturers mostly. in terms of specialisation you can say that there's a strong tradition within corporate and commercial law, with many people researching and lecturing in the area. i'm doing a phd in the field and apart from my supervisor there would be a handful of people who could supervise me in the area of corporate and financial law.
have a look at the staff page yourself.

as for london, i'm not sure there's still something like inter-collegiate degree, so qmul won't be uni of london degree!
when i applied for my llm i sent applications to 8 univs, none of them was from london.
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as said before, big firms recruit for their training contract from all around the uk, provided it's a "red brick" uni.
majority of firms have presentations in manchester and then they also invite pg students to specific fairs, according to their needs.
in terms of teaching, gtas only teach to undergraduates, while master students are taught by profs or senior lecturers mostly. in terms of specialisation you can say that there's a strong tradition within corporate and commercial law, with many people researching and lecturing in the area. i'm doing a phd in the field and apart from my supervisor there would be a handful of people who could supervise me in the area of corporate and financial law.
have a look at the staff page yourself.

as for london, i'm not sure there's still something like inter-collegiate degree, so qmul won't be uni of london degree!
when i applied for my llm i sent applications to 8 univs, none of them was from london.


I'm not intending to be picky...but:
- Manchester does use PhD students/GTAs to teach UG and PG courses, albeit it's mostly focused on UG seminars (a friend of mine taught there).

- My main picky issue with Manchester teaching is the fact most courses are just taught by the one academic and often without seminars attached. This contrasts hugely with the teaching offered in many courses in London which incorporate many lectures from visiting QCs, partners and international visiting professors. Basically, QMUL and the other London colleges, due to locality, benefit from many of the 'big names' in practice. For corporate and finance the benefits of being in London surpass anywhere else. However, you then have to weigh up other factors such as cost.

- QMUL is part of the Univesity of London - so a QMUL LLM will always be a University of London degree and the holder is entitled to (Lond.) after their name along with LSE, UCL, SOAS and KCL LLM holders. The intercollegiate LLM stopped 1/2 years ago - this has no bearing on the fact all the colleges are still granting 'University of London' degrees.

<blockquote>as said before, big firms recruit for their training contract from all around the uk, provided it's a "red brick" uni.
majority of firms have presentations in manchester and then they also invite pg students to specific fairs, according to their needs.
in terms of teaching, gtas only teach to undergraduates, while master students are taught by profs or senior lecturers mostly. in terms of specialisation you can say that there's a strong tradition within corporate and commercial law, with many people researching and lecturing in the area. i'm doing a phd in the field and apart from my supervisor there would be a handful of people who could supervise me in the area of corporate and financial law.
have a look at the staff page yourself.

as for london, i'm not sure there's still something like inter-collegiate degree, so qmul won't be uni of london degree!
when i applied for my llm i sent applications to 8 univs, none of them was from london.</blockquote>

I'm not intending to be picky...but:
- Manchester does use PhD students/GTAs to teach UG and PG courses, albeit it's mostly focused on UG seminars (a friend of mine taught there).

- My main picky issue with Manchester teaching is the fact most courses are just taught by the one academic and often without seminars attached. This contrasts hugely with the teaching offered in many courses in London which incorporate many lectures from visiting QCs, partners and international visiting professors. Basically, QMUL and the other London colleges, due to locality, benefit from many of the 'big names' in practice. For corporate and finance the benefits of being in London surpass anywhere else. However, you then have to weigh up other factors such as cost.

- QMUL is part of the Univesity of London - so a QMUL LLM will always be a University of London degree and the holder is entitled to (Lond.) after their name along with LSE, UCL, SOAS and KCL LLM holders. The intercollegiate LLM stopped 1/2 years ago - this has no bearing on the fact all the colleges are still granting 'University of London' degrees.
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Vincenzo

well as you said london is the world financial centre and nothing will change this. it is true that being in london you can enjoy a certain amount of interaction with solicitors and barristers, but for instance i think this sort of interaction is more useful at a phd level (this is my perception though).

obviously courses in manchester are taught by one or two lecturers, sometimes seminars are taken by another lecturer or by a visiting professor, but in three years here i have never heard or seen a gta or phd taking an llm class!!! indeed if you look at the staff page there's a high quantity of lecturers covering all the areas of law.
this meets the need of the university which enrols a huge number (too many according to me) of students for llm, around 200 recently. this might be a point to take under consideration.

well as you said london is the world financial centre and nothing will change this. it is true that being in london you can enjoy a certain amount of interaction with solicitors and barristers, but for instance i think this sort of interaction is more useful at a phd level (this is my perception though).

obviously courses in manchester are taught by one or two lecturers, sometimes seminars are taken by another lecturer or by a visiting professor, but in three years here i have never heard or seen a gta or phd taking an llm class!!! indeed if you look at the staff page there's a high quantity of lecturers covering all the areas of law.
this meets the need of the university which enrols a huge number (too many according to me) of students for llm, around 200 recently. this might be a point to take under consideration.
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prashbez

MC firms do recruit from Manchester, but this will be for someone who did their LLB there, not necessarily someone who did their LLM at Manchester.

Most MC firms will recruit from the vast majority of Russell Group universities.


Hi FYI the answers I received from the law firm were specifically for LLM students and not for LLB students, so they do take LLM students from Manchester.

Cheers
Prashant

<blockquote>MC firms do recruit from Manchester, but this will be for someone who did their LLB there, not necessarily someone who did their LLM at Manchester.

Most MC firms will recruit from the vast majority of Russell Group universities. </blockquote>

Hi FYI the answers I received from the law firm were specifically for LLM students and not for LLB students, so they do take LLM students from Manchester.

Cheers
Prashant
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prashbez

Hi Pratish

I also received an email confirmation of an offer for the same course. Waiting for the hard copy confirmation to reach me.

I'm from Delhi, India.

Still trying to see how to finance the studies. :))

I've heard good things about Manchester Univ and some of the Magic Circle firms also go there for recruitment. At least that's what one of the HR persons in one of the law firms in UK told me.

Cheers
Prashant


Hi Prashant,

I am from Mumbai and just finishing my last year Law. When I applied, Manchester was the first one reply back and I had posted this at that time. Since then I have received offers from KCL, Durham, QMUL and I awaiting an offer from UCL. My preference will be like UCL, KCL, QMUL(Being a UoL College is an advantage), Durham, Bristol/Nottingham/Manchester/Edinburgh.

Since the Manchester offer I have done some more research by posting some more queries on the forum and have found out that other universities I have mentioned are better than Manchester. Can you tell me that the HR person you are in touch with, what is his opinion of these Universities?


Hi Pratish

I sent the HR lady a ranking from my side which she kind of agreed to. Unfortunately I don;t remember the ranking and I lost the mails in which she had replied but as far as I remember, KCL was no. 1, Warwick was No. 2, Queen Mary no. 3, Manchester no. 4, Univ of Dundee-CEPMLP no. 5, Westminster no. 6, Kent no. 7 and City no.8.

Actually don;t remember if no. 5 to no. 8 were in that order but the first 4 were.

I'm also waiting for the above Univs to respond to me since Manchester is the first one to reply.

All the best. Let me know what you decide and when you hear from the other Univs.

Cheers
Prashant

<blockquote><blockquote>Hi Pratish

I also received an email confirmation of an offer for the same course. Waiting for the hard copy confirmation to reach me.

I'm from Delhi, India.

Still trying to see how to finance the studies. :))

I've heard good things about Manchester Univ and some of the Magic Circle firms also go there for recruitment. At least that's what one of the HR persons in one of the law firms in UK told me.

Cheers
Prashant</blockquote>

Hi Prashant,

I am from Mumbai and just finishing my last year Law. When I applied, Manchester was the first one reply back and I had posted this at that time. Since then I have received offers from KCL, Durham, QMUL and I awaiting an offer from UCL. My preference will be like UCL, KCL, QMUL(Being a UoL College is an advantage), Durham, Bristol/Nottingham/Manchester/Edinburgh.

Since the Manchester offer I have done some more research by posting some more queries on the forum and have found out that other universities I have mentioned are better than Manchester. Can you tell me that the HR person you are in touch with, what is his opinion of these Universities?</blockquote>

Hi Pratish

I sent the HR lady a ranking from my side which she kind of agreed to. Unfortunately I don;t remember the ranking and I lost the mails in which she had replied but as far as I remember, KCL was no. 1, Warwick was No. 2, Queen Mary no. 3, Manchester no. 4, Univ of Dundee-CEPMLP no. 5, Westminster no. 6, Kent no. 7 and City no.8.

Actually don;t remember if no. 5 to no. 8 were in that order but the first 4 were.

I'm also waiting for the above Univs to respond to me since Manchester is the first one to reply.

All the best. Let me know what you decide and when you hear from the other Univs.

Cheers
Prashant
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MC firms do recruit from Manchester, but this will be for someone who did their LLB there, not necessarily someone who did their LLM at Manchester.

Most MC firms will recruit from the vast majority of Russell Group universities.


Hi FYI the answers I received from the law firm were specifically for LLM students and not for LLB students, so they do take LLM students from Manchester.

Cheers
Prashant


Good to know - but recruiters will always be more interested in the first law degree rather than an LLM. An LLM usually offers little value to a recruiter unless it's highly specialised. Firms will recruit international/non-UK LLM students because of their language skills, and country-specific knowledge. As for UK students, they will be looking more at the grades of their LLB than an LLM. Having an LLM from Manchester will not be a ticket into a MC firm, unless a top class undergrad degree is also obtained.

A good person to ask about these issues is Dinah Crystal at Manchester.

<blockquote><blockquote>MC firms do recruit from Manchester, but this will be for someone who did their LLB there, not necessarily someone who did their LLM at Manchester.

Most MC firms will recruit from the vast majority of Russell Group universities. </blockquote>

Hi FYI the answers I received from the law firm were specifically for LLM students and not for LLB students, so they do take LLM students from Manchester.

Cheers
Prashant</blockquote>

Good to know - but recruiters will always be more interested in the first law degree rather than an LLM. An LLM usually offers little value to a recruiter unless it's highly specialised. Firms will recruit international/non-UK LLM students because of their language skills, and country-specific knowledge. As for UK students, they will be looking more at the grades of their LLB than an LLM. Having an LLM from Manchester will not be a ticket into a MC firm, unless a top class undergrad degree is also obtained.

A good person to ask about these issues is Dinah Crystal at Manchester.
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prashbez

Cowboy

You're right on that. From feedback given by MC firms to me, I agree that they would much rather look at your LLB degree and your work experience. The LLM according to them does not really add value from a job perspective.

In any case for me the LLM is not from a perspective of MC firms. I'm planning to do the LLM for myself and because I want specialized knowledge in an international environment. I'm perfectly fine with going back to India and doing a job there. In fact right now India is the place to work in, but having worked in India for 10 years on various jobs and having gained experience covering litigation, corporate transactions, MNC's, running my own law firm, I want a different experience now in a specialized area of my interest for which the LLM would be relevant for me . :)) Problem is I'll be taking a loan and doing the LLM, so to a certain extent the earning prospects do matter since I have to pay back the loan. lol.

I'll ask Dinah about this in any case. Thanks for the suggestion.

Cheers
Prash

Cowboy

You're right on that. From feedback given by MC firms to me, I agree that they would much rather look at your LLB degree and your work experience. The LLM according to them does not really add value from a job perspective.

In any case for me the LLM is not from a perspective of MC firms. I'm planning to do the LLM for myself and because I want specialized knowledge in an international environment. I'm perfectly fine with going back to India and doing a job there. In fact right now India is the place to work in, but having worked in India for 10 years on various jobs and having gained experience covering litigation, corporate transactions, MNC's, running my own law firm, I want a different experience now in a specialized area of my interest for which the LLM would be relevant for me . :)) Problem is I'll be taking a loan and doing the LLM, so to a certain extent the earning prospects do matter since I have to pay back the loan. lol.

I'll ask Dinah about this in any case. Thanks for the suggestion.

Cheers
Prash


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