Hello friends!
I got offers from Leicester and Oxford Brookes University in "International Trade and Commercial Law".
Help me please: Where should I go???
Maybe don´t only consider the academics but also the student life.
Have you got experiences with the universities?
Thank you for your answers!
Greetings Toni
Leicester or Oxford Brookes?
Posted Jul 23, 2009 14:39
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Hello friends!
I got offers from Leicester and Oxford Brookes University in "International Trade and Commercial Law".
Help me please: Where should I go???
Maybe don´t only consider the academics but also the student life.
Have you got experiences with the universities?
Thank you for your answers!
Greetings Toni
I got offers from Leicester and Oxford Brookes University in "International Trade and Commercial Law".
Help me please: Where should I go???
Maybe don´t only consider the academics but also the student life.
Have you got experiences with the universities?
Thank you for your answers!
Greetings Toni
Posted Jul 23, 2009 16:41
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Leicester 100%
Leicester 100%
Posted Jul 23, 2009 17:03
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Posted Jul 23, 2009 20:21
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hey guys, thank you for your answers. But could you state some reasons for why I should choose Leicester? Is it really so much better than Oxford Brookes??
hey guys, thank you for your answers. But could you state some reasons for why I should choose Leicester? Is it really so much better than Oxford Brookes??
Posted Jul 23, 2009 20:48
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hey guys, thank you for your answers. But could you state some reasons for why I should choose Leicester? Is it really so much better than Oxford Brookes??
The short answer is Yes. Academically, tt is a lot better than Oxford Brookes. Would probably help you in your job search as well. Not even a contest in my opinion.
<blockquote>hey guys, thank you for your answers. But could you state some reasons for why I should choose Leicester? Is it really so much better than Oxford Brookes??</blockquote>
The short answer is Yes. Academically, tt is a lot better than Oxford Brookes. Would probably help you in your job search as well. Not even a contest in my opinion.
The short answer is Yes. Academically, tt is a lot better than Oxford Brookes. Would probably help you in your job search as well. Not even a contest in my opinion.
Posted Jul 23, 2009 21:14
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Also thank you for your answer interalia!
You said that it would probably help me in my job search as well to go to Leicester.
If I return to Austria to work as a lawyer the beneftis of an LLM are the following (that´s what Austrian lawyers/law companies said)
-) international mindset
-) perfect English language skills
So these aspects would be provided by Oxford Brookes as well as by University of Leicester.
Did you mean that the LLM at University of Leicester would give me more opportunities to work abroad (UK or international law firms, perhaps international courts) after completing my LLM? Do you see some possibilities there?
Anyway I was quite surprised that I was offered a place in Leicester LLM, because I couldn´t provide any professional reverence (only 2 academic references because I just graduated from University).
Do you think that most participants in Leicester LLM might be around 30 and allready have some working experience? Because I am only 23 and I fear that I might not fit in because of my age .
Thank you for your statements.
Also thank you for your answer interalia!
You said that it would probably help me in my job search as well to go to Leicester.
If I return to Austria to work as a lawyer the beneftis of an LLM are the following (that´s what Austrian lawyers/law companies said)
-) international mindset
-) perfect English language skills
So these aspects would be provided by Oxford Brookes as well as by University of Leicester.
Did you mean that the LLM at University of Leicester would give me more opportunities to work abroad (UK or international law firms, perhaps international courts) after completing my LLM? Do you see some possibilities there?
Anyway I was quite surprised that I was offered a place in Leicester LLM, because I couldn´t provide any professional reverence (only 2 academic references because I just graduated from University).
Do you think that most participants in Leicester LLM might be around 30 and allready have some working experience? Because I am only 23 and I fear that I might not fit in because of my age .
Thank you for your statements.
You said that it would probably help me in my job search as well to go to Leicester.
If I return to Austria to work as a lawyer the beneftis of an LLM are the following (that´s what Austrian lawyers/law companies said)
-) international mindset
-) perfect English language skills
So these aspects would be provided by Oxford Brookes as well as by University of Leicester.
Did you mean that the LLM at University of Leicester would give me more opportunities to work abroad (UK or international law firms, perhaps international courts) after completing my LLM? Do you see some possibilities there?
Anyway I was quite surprised that I was offered a place in Leicester LLM, because I couldn´t provide any professional reverence (only 2 academic references because I just graduated from University).
Do you think that most participants in Leicester LLM might be around 30 and allready have some working experience? Because I am only 23 and I fear that I might not fit in because of my age .
Thank you for your statements.
Posted Jul 23, 2009 21:23
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Also thank you for your answer interalia!
You said that it would probably help me in my job search as well to go to Leicester.
If I return to Austria to work as a lawyer the beneftis of an LLM are the following (that´s what Austrian lawyers/law companies said)
-) international mindset
-) perfect English language skills
So these aspects would be provided by Oxford Brookes as well as by University of Leicester.
Did you mean that the LLM at University of Leicester would give me more opportunities to work abroad (UK or international law firms, perhaps international courts) after completing my LLM? Do you see some possibilities there?
Anyway I was quite surprised that I was offered a place in Leicester LLM, because I couldn´t provide any professional reverence (only 2 academic references because I just graduated from University).
Do you think that most participants in Leicester LLM might be around 30 and allready have some working experience? Because I am only 23 and I fear that I might not fit in because of my age . You might just find yourself the old person in your group of friends although I'm sure there will be some late 20s, 30 year olds as well.
Thank you for your statements.
The LLM is usually considered an academic degree unlike the MBA, which is a professional degree, Thus, it is quite normal for LLM students to be extremely young, having just graduated from law school. I'm pretty sure you'll find 21 year olds in Leicester. Furthermore, since it is an academic degree, it is perfectly normal for applicants to submit only academic references. The only exception are the US law schools which prefer some professional experience.
Leicester is generally considered to be MUCH *capitalized for emphasis* better academically than oxford brookes. Having lived in a German Speaking Country, I know that in Germany and Austria, all universities are considered more or less equal. So other factors such as living quality are taken into consideration. The same is not true for English Speaking Countries such as the UK and America. In the UK and America, Univeristy Ranking is everything and where your university is ranked affects your job prospects with many UK and American firms which coincidentally are also usually the firms which have an international presence (for e.g. Baker and Mckenzie, White and Case, Clifford Chance). Admittedly, most uk and american firms are generally extremely elitist in their hiring polices. Oxford brookes is not considered to be in the same academic tier as Leicester. To be honest, it's probably on the lowest academic tier. Thus the benefit for your job search is a much better CV, provided you're applying for firms which have an international presence.
<blockquote>Also thank you for your answer interalia!
You said that it would probably help me in my job search as well to go to Leicester.
If I return to Austria to work as a lawyer the beneftis of an LLM are the following (that´s what Austrian lawyers/law companies said)
-) international mindset
-) perfect English language skills
So these aspects would be provided by Oxford Brookes as well as by University of Leicester.
Did you mean that the LLM at University of Leicester would give me more opportunities to work abroad (UK or international law firms, perhaps international courts) after completing my LLM? Do you see some possibilities there?
Anyway I was quite surprised that I was offered a place in Leicester LLM, because I couldn´t provide any professional reverence (only 2 academic references because I just graduated from University).
Do you think that most participants in Leicester LLM might be around 30 and allready have some working experience? Because I am only 23 and I fear that I might not fit in because of my age . You might just find yourself the old person in your group of friends although I'm sure there will be some late 20s, 30 year olds as well.
Thank you for your statements.
</blockquote>
The LLM is usually considered an academic degree unlike the MBA, which is a professional degree, Thus, it is quite normal for LLM students to be extremely young, having just graduated from law school. I'm pretty sure you'll find 21 year olds in Leicester. Furthermore, since it is an academic degree, it is perfectly normal for applicants to submit only academic references. The only exception are the US law schools which prefer some professional experience.
Leicester is generally considered to be MUCH *capitalized for emphasis* better academically than oxford brookes. Having lived in a German Speaking Country, I know that in Germany and Austria, all universities are considered more or less equal. So other factors such as living quality are taken into consideration. The same is not true for English Speaking Countries such as the UK and America. In the UK and America, Univeristy Ranking is everything and where your university is ranked affects your job prospects with many UK and American firms which coincidentally are also usually the firms which have an international presence (for e.g. Baker and Mckenzie, White and Case, Clifford Chance). Admittedly, most uk and american firms are generally extremely elitist in their hiring polices. Oxford brookes is not considered to be in the same academic tier as Leicester. To be honest, it's probably on the lowest academic tier. Thus the benefit for your job search is a much better CV, provided you're applying for firms which have an international presence.
You said that it would probably help me in my job search as well to go to Leicester.
If I return to Austria to work as a lawyer the beneftis of an LLM are the following (that´s what Austrian lawyers/law companies said)
-) international mindset
-) perfect English language skills
So these aspects would be provided by Oxford Brookes as well as by University of Leicester.
Did you mean that the LLM at University of Leicester would give me more opportunities to work abroad (UK or international law firms, perhaps international courts) after completing my LLM? Do you see some possibilities there?
Anyway I was quite surprised that I was offered a place in Leicester LLM, because I couldn´t provide any professional reverence (only 2 academic references because I just graduated from University).
Do you think that most participants in Leicester LLM might be around 30 and allready have some working experience? Because I am only 23 and I fear that I might not fit in because of my age . You might just find yourself the old person in your group of friends although I'm sure there will be some late 20s, 30 year olds as well.
Thank you for your statements.
</blockquote>
The LLM is usually considered an academic degree unlike the MBA, which is a professional degree, Thus, it is quite normal for LLM students to be extremely young, having just graduated from law school. I'm pretty sure you'll find 21 year olds in Leicester. Furthermore, since it is an academic degree, it is perfectly normal for applicants to submit only academic references. The only exception are the US law schools which prefer some professional experience.
Leicester is generally considered to be MUCH *capitalized for emphasis* better academically than oxford brookes. Having lived in a German Speaking Country, I know that in Germany and Austria, all universities are considered more or less equal. So other factors such as living quality are taken into consideration. The same is not true for English Speaking Countries such as the UK and America. In the UK and America, Univeristy Ranking is everything and where your university is ranked affects your job prospects with many UK and American firms which coincidentally are also usually the firms which have an international presence (for e.g. Baker and Mckenzie, White and Case, Clifford Chance). Admittedly, most uk and american firms are generally extremely elitist in their hiring polices. Oxford brookes is not considered to be in the same academic tier as Leicester. To be honest, it's probably on the lowest academic tier. Thus the benefit for your job search is a much better CV, provided you're applying for firms which have an international presence.
Posted Jul 23, 2009 22:17
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Thank you for your interesting statement!
But where did you get the information that Oxford Brookes is in the lowest academic tier?
The rankings I looked at were the following:
-) Good University Guide 2010 (Law):
Leicester is ranked 21 out of 91.
Oxford Brookes is ranked 36 out of 91.
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law
-) Leicester 29 out of 89
Oxford Brookes 50 out of 89
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2009/may/12/university-guide-law
-) Leicester 28 out of 90
Oxford Brookes 39 out of 90
http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/single.htm?ipg=8727
So the difference between those two doesn´t seem THAT big in these rankings. Do you have other rankings, informations?
Thank you for your interesting statement!
But where did you get the information that Oxford Brookes is in the lowest academic tier?
The rankings I looked at were the following:
-) Good University Guide 2010 (Law):
Leicester is ranked 21 out of 91.
Oxford Brookes is ranked 36 out of 91.
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law
-) Leicester 29 out of 89
Oxford Brookes 50 out of 89
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2009/may/12/university-guide-law
-) Leicester 28 out of 90
Oxford Brookes 39 out of 90
http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/single.htm?ipg=8727
So the difference between those two doesn´t seem THAT big in these rankings. Do you have other rankings, informations?
But where did you get the information that Oxford Brookes is in the lowest academic tier?
The rankings I looked at were the following:
-) Good University Guide 2010 (Law):
Leicester is ranked 21 out of 91.
Oxford Brookes is ranked 36 out of 91.
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law
-) Leicester 29 out of 89
Oxford Brookes 50 out of 89
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2009/may/12/university-guide-law
-) Leicester 28 out of 90
Oxford Brookes 39 out of 90
http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/single.htm?ipg=8727
So the difference between those two doesn´t seem THAT big in these rankings. Do you have other rankings, informations?
Posted Jul 23, 2009 22:43
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In all the rankings you posted, the difference is around 15, 21 and 11 places, to me that is a lot. Even if you disagree with my assertion that the difference in placement is great, you might also want to take into account the fact that the academic gulf (and consequently the school's reputation as percieved by the UK law firms) might be big even though you consider the difference in ranking placement to be small. For example, ranking wise Oxford and Cambridge are usually 1 and 2 (some iffy rankings say otherwise I know), but I'm pretty sure a lot of UK law firms will say that there is a big gap between Oxford and Cambridge and the 4,5 spots. If I remember correctly Nottingham is ranked 4th but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any uk law firm who considers Nottingham to be in the stratosphere as oxford and cambridge despite the fact that ranking wise nottingham is ranked a mere 2-3 places behind the big two. The same applies with Leicester and Oxford Brookes, as evidenced by the other answers in this thread which - without hesitation - picked Leicester 100% over Oxford Brookes. Furthmore, you might also want to consider the Graduate Prospects column in the times rankings. Leicester is at 83, oxford brookes 78%. That's a full 5% behind.
Additionally, I should clarify myself. When I mentioned ranking, I used it as a synonym for reputation. Both concepts though similar are not identical, so I apologize for my imprecision. The rankings - particularly the times rankings are a good general guide to individual reputation of the universities - but they are not entirely accurate. Best way to gauge the reputation of the university is to check with other posters especially those from the UK. I think its pretty likely that the consensus answer is that Leicester has a better reputation, and thus gives you a better CV.
Obviously, there are other reasons for choosing universities. I'm just framing my opinion with regards to job prospects which you stated was one of your concerns. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I personally didn't really pay that much attention to the rankings when I picked my LLM university myself but that's mainly because - even though I have a law degree and will be going for my LLM - I'm not the least bit interested in getting hired as a lawyer - I intend to go into another profession instead -, so the prestige factor matters less to me.
In all the rankings you posted, the difference is around 15, 21 and 11 places, to me that is a lot. Even if you disagree with my assertion that the difference in placement is great, you might also want to take into account the fact that the academic gulf (and consequently the school's reputation as percieved by the UK law firms) might be big even though you consider the difference in ranking placement to be small. For example, ranking wise Oxford and Cambridge are usually 1 and 2 (some iffy rankings say otherwise I know), but I'm pretty sure a lot of UK law firms will say that there is a big gap between Oxford and Cambridge and the 4,5 spots. If I remember correctly Nottingham is ranked 4th but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any uk law firm who considers Nottingham to be in the stratosphere as oxford and cambridge despite the fact that ranking wise nottingham is ranked a mere 2-3 places behind the big two. The same applies with Leicester and Oxford Brookes, as evidenced by the other answers in this thread which - without hesitation - picked Leicester 100% over Oxford Brookes. Furthmore, you might also want to consider the Graduate Prospects column in the times rankings. Leicester is at 83, oxford brookes 78%. That's a full 5% behind.
Additionally, I should clarify myself. When I mentioned ranking, I used it as a synonym for reputation. Both concepts though similar are not identical, so I apologize for my imprecision. The rankings - particularly the times rankings are a good general guide to individual reputation of the universities - but they are not entirely accurate. Best way to gauge the reputation of the university is to check with other posters especially those from the UK. I think its pretty likely that the consensus answer is that Leicester has a better reputation, and thus gives you a better CV.
Obviously, there are other reasons for choosing universities. I'm just framing my opinion with regards to job prospects which you stated was one of your concerns. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I personally didn't really pay that much attention to the rankings when I picked my LLM university myself but that's mainly because - even though I have a law degree and will be going for my LLM - I'm not the least bit interested in getting hired as a lawyer - I intend to go into another profession instead -, so the prestige factor matters less to me.
Additionally, I should clarify myself. When I mentioned ranking, I used it as a synonym for reputation. Both concepts though similar are not identical, so I apologize for my imprecision. The rankings - particularly the times rankings are a good general guide to individual reputation of the universities - but they are not entirely accurate. Best way to gauge the reputation of the university is to check with other posters especially those from the UK. I think its pretty likely that the consensus answer is that Leicester has a better reputation, and thus gives you a better CV.
Obviously, there are other reasons for choosing universities. I'm just framing my opinion with regards to job prospects which you stated was one of your concerns. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I personally didn't really pay that much attention to the rankings when I picked my LLM university myself but that's mainly because - even though I have a law degree and will be going for my LLM - I'm not the least bit interested in getting hired as a lawyer - I intend to go into another profession instead -, so the prestige factor matters less to me.
Posted Jul 24, 2009 18:00
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I think that many people in the UK would be influenced in their assessment by the fact that Oxford Brookes is an old poly while Leicester is one of the old universities. Whether you agree with it or not I think there is still the assumption that you'd only go to an old poly if you couldn't get in to a 'proper' university. There is also a linked view that the former polytechnics were about teaching (i.e. further education) rather than research (higher education).
I think that many people in the UK would be influenced in their assessment by the fact that Oxford Brookes is an old poly while Leicester is one of the old universities. Whether you agree with it or not I think there is still the assumption that you'd only go to an old poly if you couldn't get in to a 'proper' university. There is also a linked view that the former polytechnics were about teaching (i.e. further education) rather than research (higher education).
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