Harvard LLM 2015-2016


grumpyJD

All law schools use a diversity indices for their LLM decisions but use different yardsticks within each index. Many lower-ranked law schools will often deliberately avoid accepting too many stellar applicants if they believe those people would turn them down (for a place at a Harvard - for example). It's not simply about egos and a desire to avoid snubs; the truth is that refusal by accepted candidates makes the admission process a headache for law schools. Admission committees therefore have to not only evaluate the absolute suitability of an applicant (is her academic record better than others? Has she more relevant experience than others? More awards?) but also whether she is likely to accept an offer (if made).


There will always be a certain amount of yield-protecting but it's mostly a numbers game. Harvard and Yale are probably the most cautious because their brand is so strong. I think it's about 60-75% yield for Harvard and Yale so they can't make many excess offers. A lot of the other schools have a high degree of flexibility because their yield may be in the range of 20-35%. It's not like the JD program where a few extra students will ruin their class size for mandatory classes- they can afford to integrate a few extra LLM students in the 2L & 3L classes. Let's face it, schools claim to be interested in diversity and other factors but the students with the best numbers will get the most offers. The others will struggle to get into top programs. It's a popularity contest and the schools have experience working the numbers.

<blockquote>All law schools use a diversity indices for their LLM decisions but use different yardsticks within each index. Many lower-ranked law schools will often deliberately avoid accepting too many stellar applicants if they believe those people would turn them down (for a place at a Harvard - for example). It's not simply about egos and a desire to avoid snubs; the truth is that refusal by accepted candidates makes the admission process a headache for law schools. Admission committees therefore have to not only evaluate the absolute suitability of an applicant (is her academic record better than others? Has she more relevant experience than others? More awards?) but also whether she is likely to accept an offer (if made). </blockquote>

There will always be a certain amount of yield-protecting but it's mostly a numbers game. Harvard and Yale are probably the most cautious because their brand is so strong. I think it's about 60-75% yield for Harvard and Yale so they can't make many excess offers. A lot of the other schools have a high degree of flexibility because their yield may be in the range of 20-35%. It's not like the JD program where a few extra students will ruin their class size for mandatory classes- they can afford to integrate a few extra LLM students in the 2L & 3L classes. Let's face it, schools claim to be interested in diversity and other factors but the students with the best numbers will get the most offers. The others will struggle to get into top programs. It's a popularity contest and the schools have experience working the numbers.
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83it

Hi - what do people think my chances are like. I didn't get into Harvard last year and I'm reapplying this year. My grades were pretty good at undergrad but not top of my class. This year i'm doing the BCL at Oxford. I'm confident that this will be enough to vastly improve my chances of admission but I would be interested in hearing what others have to say.

Hi - what do people think my chances are like. I didn't get into Harvard last year and I'm reapplying this year. My grades were pretty good at undergrad but not top of my class. This year i'm doing the BCL at Oxford. I'm confident that this will be enough to vastly improve my chances of admission but I would be interested in hearing what others have to say.
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jsd

Hi - what do people think my chances are like. I didn't get into Harvard last year and I'm reapplying this year. My grades were pretty good at undergrad but not top of my class. This year i'm doing the BCL at Oxford. I'm confident that this will be enough to vastly improve my chances of admission but I would be interested in hearing what others have to say.


Good chances. But then again Harvard isnt doing you any favours by giving you an acceptance. You're already going to be LLM-equivalent by April. The question you should ask yourself is whether another year and another $85k is worth it, not to mention the loss of earnings during that period. I would proceed for a research doctorate instead, perhaps a DPhil at Oxford itself.

<blockquote>Hi - what do people think my chances are like. I didn't get into Harvard last year and I'm reapplying this year. My grades were pretty good at undergrad but not top of my class. This year i'm doing the BCL at Oxford. I'm confident that this will be enough to vastly improve my chances of admission but I would be interested in hearing what others have to say.</blockquote>

Good chances. But then again Harvard isnt doing you any favours by giving you an acceptance. You're already going to be LLM-equivalent by April. The question you should ask yourself is whether another year and another $85k is worth it, not to mention the loss of earnings during that period. I would proceed for a research doctorate instead, perhaps a DPhil at Oxford itself.
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Should I be concerned? Applied but application status update does not say "application complete." Anyone in the same situation?

Should I be concerned? Applied but application status update does not say "application complete." Anyone in the same situation?
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dchatur

Should I be concerned? Applied but application status update does not say "application complete." Anyone in the same situation?

You should write to the Admissions office immediately. I realized that the same thing happened to me when I had applied in 2012, and I never tried/bothered to find out. I just realized this time around that the Office specifically informs candidates about their application being complete.

<blockquote>Should I be concerned? Applied but application status update does not say "application complete." Anyone in the same situation?

You should write to the Admissions office immediately. I realized that the same thing happened to me when I had applied in 2012, and I never tried/bothered to find out. I just realized this time around that the Office specifically informs candidates about their application being complete.
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S09

Hi. So when we submitted the application we received a mail that said that NO notification of application being complete would be given (atleast I haven't received any mail other than this from the office). I think we just need to press the Track status tab to figure out everything. Right?

Hi. So when we submitted the application we received a mail that said that NO notification of application being complete would be given (atleast I haven't received any mail other than this from the office). I think we just need to press the Track status tab to figure out everything. Right?
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Thanks! Actually, I was informed that if more information is needed, they will let me know. However, concerned that 'track your status' doesn't indicate application complete. I ask because I read on here some, when tracking their status,some saw their applications was complete.


Should I be concerned? Applied but application status update does not say "application complete." Anyone in the same situation?

You should write to the Admissions office immediately. I realized that the same thing happened to me when I had applied in 2012, and I never tried/bothered to find out. I just realized this time around that the Office specifically informs candidates about their application being complete.


Thanks! Actually, I was informed that if more information is needed, they will let me know. However, concerned that 'track your status' doesn't indicate application complete. I ask because I read on here some, when tracking their status,some saw their applications was complete.


<blockquote><blockquote>Should I be concerned? Applied but application status update does not say "application complete." Anyone in the same situation?

You should write to the Admissions office immediately. I realized that the same thing happened to me when I had applied in 2012, and I never tried/bothered to find out. I just realized this time around that the Office specifically informs candidates about their application being complete.</blockquote>
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dchatur

Sorry I didn't mean that they would send a specific email, but that the Status online would show that your respective applications were complete.

It's best that you write to them and find out in any case if your status online hasn't been updated yet.

Sorry I didn't mean that they would send a specific email, but that the Status online would show that your respective applications were complete.

It's best that you write to them and find out in any case if your status online hasn't been updated yet.
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paxromana

@onlyoneschool - You should definitely write to them if the "Comments to Applicant 1 or 2" section in your "track your status" page, doesn't state "Application Complete". The expected date of admissions offers being made is just a month away.

@S09 - You don't get an email, but they definitely update it as "Application Complete" along with the date.

Btw, Embark is down for maintenance till Feb. 17th!

@onlyoneschool - You should definitely write to them if the "Comments to Applicant 1 or 2" section in your "track your status" page, doesn't state "Application Complete". The expected date of admissions offers being made is just a month away.

@S09 - You don't get an email, but they definitely update it as "Application Complete" along with the date.

Btw, Embark is down for maintenance till Feb. 17th!
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Thank you!

Thank you!
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83it

Hi - what do people think my chances are like. I didn't get into Harvard last year and I'm reapplying this year. My grades were pretty good at undergrad but not top of my class. This year i'm doing the BCL at Oxford. I'm confident that this will be enough to vastly improve my chances of admission but I would be interested in hearing what others have to say.


Good chances. But then again Harvard isnt doing you any favours by giving you an acceptance. You're already going to be LLM-equivalent by April. The question you should ask yourself is whether another year and another $85k is worth it, not to mention the loss of earnings during that period. I would proceed for a research doctorate instead, perhaps a DPhil at Oxford itself.


True - that's good to hear. Yeah I won't be doing the DPhil. I'd rather teach kindergarten than become an academic. They're both terrible options, but at least kindergarten doesn't maintain the pretence.

The cost of the program doesn't affect me either - I've guaranteed scholarships.

Thank you for your reply.

<blockquote><blockquote>Hi - what do people think my chances are like. I didn't get into Harvard last year and I'm reapplying this year. My grades were pretty good at undergrad but not top of my class. This year i'm doing the BCL at Oxford. I'm confident that this will be enough to vastly improve my chances of admission but I would be interested in hearing what others have to say.</blockquote>

Good chances. But then again Harvard isnt doing you any favours by giving you an acceptance. You're already going to be LLM-equivalent by April. The question you should ask yourself is whether another year and another $85k is worth it, not to mention the loss of earnings during that period. I would proceed for a research doctorate instead, perhaps a DPhil at Oxford itself. </blockquote>

True - that's good to hear. Yeah I won't be doing the DPhil. I'd rather teach kindergarten than become an academic. They're both terrible options, but at least kindergarten doesn't maintain the pretence.

The cost of the program doesn't affect me either - I've guaranteed scholarships.

Thank you for your reply.
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GP1981

@onlyoneschool - You should definitely write to them if the "Comments to Applicant 1 or 2" section in your "track your status" page, doesn't state "Application Complete". The expected date of admissions offers being made is just a month away.

@S09 - You don't get an email, but they definitely update it as "Application Complete" along with the date.

Btw, Embark is down for maintenance till Feb. 17th!


What's the difference between "Comments to Applicant 1" and "Comments to Applicant 2" ?

Thanks!

<blockquote>@onlyoneschool - You should definitely write to them if the "Comments to Applicant 1 or 2" section in your "track your status" page, doesn't state "Application Complete". The expected date of admissions offers being made is just a month away.

@S09 - You don't get an email, but they definitely update it as "Application Complete" along with the date.

Btw, Embark is down for maintenance till Feb. 17th!</blockquote>

What's the difference between "Comments to Applicant 1" and "Comments to Applicant 2" ?

Thanks!

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hobbit

I guess that just indicates the comment # (and not the applicant #)...may be the second comment would specify that decision has been sent!?

I guess that just indicates the comment # (and not the applicant #)...may be the second comment would specify that decision has been sent!?
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paxromana

I guess that just indicates the comment # (and not the applicant #)...may be the second comment would specify that decision has been sent!?


If your application is in order, they will update Comment 1 as "Application Complete". However, if there is any additional information / document required from your end, then they mention it in Comment 1. Once you have addressed that issue, they later update it to "Application Complete". Comment 2 is not necessarily for conveying decisions since I know someone whose Comment 2 presently refers to having received a revised LSAC report. So, I doubt if Comment 2 is for an admission offer. AFAIK, HLS usually sends out the offers via email.

Maybe someone who got admitted to HLS can throw some light on this.

<blockquote>I guess that just indicates the comment # (and not the applicant #)...may be the second comment would specify that decision has been sent!?</blockquote>

If your application is in order, they will update Comment 1 as "Application Complete". However, if there is any additional information / document required from your end, then they mention it in Comment 1. Once you have addressed that issue, they later update it to "Application Complete". Comment 2 is not necessarily for conveying decisions since I know someone whose Comment 2 presently refers to having received a revised LSAC report. So, I doubt if Comment 2 is for an admission offer. AFAIK, HLS usually sends out the offers via email.

Maybe someone who got admitted to HLS can throw some light on this.
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dchatur

I wonder why we haven't received the customary Admissions Update email yet.

I wonder why we haven't received the customary Admissions Update email yet.
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hobbit

I guess that just indicates the comment # (and not the applicant #)...may be the second comment would specify that decision has been sent!?


If your application is in order, they will update Comment 1 as "Application Complete". However, if there is any additional information / document required from your end, then they mention it in Comment 1. Once you have addressed that issue, they later update it to "Application Complete". Comment 2 is not necessarily for conveying decisions since I know someone whose Comment 2 presently refers to having received a revised LSAC report. So, I doubt if Comment 2 is for an admission offer. AFAIK, HLS usually sends out the offers via email.

Maybe someone who got admitted to HLS can throw some light on this.


I agree they won't specify the decision details in Comment #2, but suggest that the decision has been sent..otherwise, I wonder, what else could they mention there, if everything is in order and admission decision has been reached.

<blockquote><blockquote>I guess that just indicates the comment # (and not the applicant #)...may be the second comment would specify that decision has been sent!?</blockquote>

If your application is in order, they will update Comment 1 as "Application Complete". However, if there is any additional information / document required from your end, then they mention it in Comment 1. Once you have addressed that issue, they later update it to "Application Complete". Comment 2 is not necessarily for conveying decisions since I know someone whose Comment 2 presently refers to having received a revised LSAC report. So, I doubt if Comment 2 is for an admission offer. AFAIK, HLS usually sends out the offers via email.

Maybe someone who got admitted to HLS can throw some light on this.</blockquote>

I agree they won't specify the decision details in Comment #2, but suggest that the decision has been sent..otherwise, I wonder, what else could they mention there, if everything is in order and admission decision has been reached.
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hotpursuit

For admissions, they will send you an email and tell you login to your embarck profile. When you login, you will see the letter, whether it is an acceptance, rejection or waiting list.

Best,
H

For admissions, they will send you an email and tell you login to your embarck profile. When you login, you will see the letter, whether it is an acceptance, rejection or waiting list.

Best,
H
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GP1981

For admissions, they will send you an email and tell you login to your embarck profile. When you login, you will see the letter, whether it is an acceptance, rejection or waiting list.

Best,
H


Thanks!

Best of luck to everyone. Understand from previous years, HLS will send admission letters around 18/19 March.

*googling for apps to show the countdown on my Mac desktop :p

<blockquote>For admissions, they will send you an email and tell you login to your embarck profile. When you login, you will see the letter, whether it is an acceptance, rejection or waiting list.

Best,
H</blockquote>

Thanks!

Best of luck to everyone. Understand from previous years, HLS will send admission letters around 18/19 March.

*googling for apps to show the countdown on my Mac desktop :p
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armlaw

Has anyone received a status update on the application? Usually Harvard sends a message early February, notifying that they are in the middle of review, or little more than in the middle....

Has anyone received a status update on the application? Usually Harvard sends a message early February, notifying that they are in the middle of review, or little more than in the middle....
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suzie1588

thanks LLM 2015/16 and everyone else for your support!

thanks LLM 2015/16 and everyone else for your support!
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